Blame the progress politic instead of metabuilds

Ishammael

Recremen wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

We have removed several instances using the word "cancer".

Using "cancer" as a degrading term is considered to be offensive and does not promote a healthy and constructive conversation.

Please review our Community Guidelines for more information whilst posting.

The thought police strike!
Don't even think what you shouldn't think now, boys and girls. It might hurt someone's feelings!

jamesfaine_ESO wrote: »

Lol, are these forums moderated by lib art majors in LA hiding in their safe spaces? There are a few people on these forums that regularly troll, harass, badmouth and bully folks from other factions or with differing opinions and that is fine. But say one of the words that makes ZOS_PeterT even a tiny bit uncomfortable (and I am guessing that is a lot of words) and he is telling his mom. This PC nonsense is doing harm to our forum community in the micro and our country in the macro.

You both realize that you're on a moderated forum, with rules for acceptable discourse, and that you are participating at-will and don't need to be here, right? If you can't handle being polite, why don't you go to a place without any such rules? I hear hell is nice this time of year.

Of course we realize that.

The hypocrisy of the ZoS post is that "moderation" has become a moving target, subject the whims of some persons feelings, somewhere. Nowhere in the community guidelines is the word cancer mentioned. Profanity is specific called out because that is defineable to a set of words.

Whatever, it doesn't matter now

Nerf mDK!

Yea, but using that term is offensive to those that are currently dealing with cancer.

I think we can come up with a better term than that anyway.

It is offensive to me when people disagree with me. Therefore don't disagree.

See how absurd that is?

This fails even a basic harm test, not to mention that disagreeing is directly relevant to conversations about game design. Contrast this with mentioning various diseases as a proxy for describing a disagreeable design decision. It's accessory to the topic, easily avoided, and actually might cause suffering for someone undergoing treatment for said condition. That's not to say you can't use colorful language, but it's easy enough to do so without being insensitive. Try "these builds are a degenerative pox on the community" or "I felt weak and unprepared when someone wrecked me with a proc build".

I am offended because someone who really had the pox might be offended by this comparison. I am offended because a weak person might be offended by your use of the word weak, re: proc builds. seriously, put triggers warnings on your post. Gosh.

Thelon

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

We have removed several instances using the word "cancer".

Minalan

Can we say 'heart disease' proc build, or is that out too?

Laggus

Bet he's really Wrobel.

Sandman929

Here's a simple solution to all those upset about moderators, if something is deleted or edited by moderators for some problem, just don't do that thing again. Or, the ultimate retaliation: go start your own ESO forum and moderate however you like.

Lava_Croft

Astanphaeus wrote: »

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

We have removed several instances using the word "cancer".

Using "cancer" as a degrading term is considered to be offensive and does not promote a healthy and constructive conversation.

Please review our Community Guidelines for more information whilst posting.

Next we won't be able to say cheese. This is getting ridiculous.

Comparing 'cheese' to 'cancer' says more about yourself than it does about anything else.

Mojmir

Laggus wrote: »

Bet he's really Wrobel.

dis someone say hurricane?

Rohamad_Ali

Maybe just call them Poopy builds . I've seen Gina say Poopy so I think we're safe .

Joy_Division

can·cer
ˈkansər/Submit
noun
the disease caused by an uncontrolled division of abnormal cells in a part of the body.
"he's got cancer"
a malignant growth or tumor resulting from the division of abnormal cells.
plural noun: cancers
"most skin cancers are curable"
synonyms: malignant growth, cancerous growth, tumor, malignancy; More
a practice or phenomenon perceived to be evil or destructive and hard to contain or eradicate.
"racism is a cancer sweeping across Europe"
synonyms: evil, blight, scourge, poison, canker, plague; archaicpestilence
"the cancer of slavery spread across the continent"

Legit definition Legit use of the term.

Ishammael

Joy_Division wrote: »

can·cer
ˈkansər/Submit
noun
the disease caused by an uncontrolled division of abnormal cells in a part of the body.
"he's got cancer"
a malignant growth or tumor resulting from the division of abnormal cells.
plural noun: cancers
"most skin cancers are curable"
synonyms: malignant growth, cancerous growth, tumor, malignancy; More
a practice or phenomenon perceived to be evil or destructive and hard to contain or eradicate.
"racism is a cancer sweeping across Europe"
synonyms: evil, blight, scourge, poison, canker, plague; archaicpestilence
"the cancer of slavery spread across the continent"

Legit definition Legit use of the term.

Lol joy, way to be a buzzkill!
I wanted to argue more about this!
The thought police are incoming.

Crispen_Longbow

Joy_Division wrote: »

can·cer
ˈkansər/Submit
noun
the disease caused by an uncontrolled division of abnormal cells in a part of the body.
"he's got cancer"
a malignant growth or tumor resulting from the division of abnormal cells.
plural noun: cancers
"most skin cancers are curable"
synonyms: malignant growth, cancerous growth, tumor, malignancy; More
a practice or phenomenon perceived to be evil or destructive and hard to contain or eradicate.
"racism is a cancer sweeping across Europe"
synonyms: evil, blight, scourge, poison, canker, plague; archaicpestilence
"the cancer of slavery spread across the continent"

Legit definition Legit use of the term.

Shazgob

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

We have removed several instances using the word "cancer".

Using "cancer" as a degrading term is considered to be offensive and does not promote a healthy and constructive conversation.

Please review our Community Guidelines for more information whilst posting.

Because why spend resources to fix bugs, identify problems, or otherwise fix this broken down game when you can surf the forums cutting words out, which is funny as it gets considering nothing is censored IN game, and WAAAAY more people are in game than on the forums.

Also, yes I know there is a profanity filter, but it seems today most people would rather see the words and report it, rather than simply censoring it and moving on like, you know, normal people.

Thelon

Shazgob wrote: »

Because why spend resources to fix bugs, identify problems, or otherwise fix this broken down game when you can surf the forums cutting words out, which is funny as it gets considering nothing is censored IN game, and WAAAAY more people are in game than on the forums.

Some people who use the forum haven't bought the game yet, so its gotta stay clean and shiny. Once you're in-game, ZOS has your money, and that's when the idgaf kicks in

Shazgob

Thelon wrote: »

Shazgob wrote: »

Because why spend resources to fix bugs, identify problems, or otherwise fix this broken down game when you can surf the forums cutting words out, which is funny as it gets considering nothing is censored IN game, and WAAAAY more people are in game than on the forums.

Some people who use the forum haven't bought the game yet, so its gotta stay clean and shiny. Once you're in-game, ZOS has your money, and that's when the idgaf kicks in

Honestly, no holding back at all, that is absolutely spot on. It's like any Q&A they have ever had, doubly so when it's for a website or magazine or other forms of media, when they talk about how perfect everything is. I believe it was Matt Firor who said how it was the beta testers fault for giving the image of a bugged game, a game that crashes, etc. If the beta testers brought this image to the forefront, the past year has cemented it in history. It's not the communities fault that this game is busted, it's the team that lets it remain busted while they shove the crown store full.

But yea, that's a perfect response.

ZOS_GregoryV

Shazgob wrote: »

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

We have removed several instances using the word "cancer".

Using "cancer" as a degrading term is considered to be offensive and does not promote a healthy and constructive conversation.

Please review our Community Guidelines for more information whilst posting.

Because why spend resources to fix bugs, identify problems, or otherwise fix this broken down game when you can surf the forums cutting words out, which is funny as it gets considering nothing is censored IN game, and WAAAAY more people are in game than on the forums.

As Forum Moderators, we are here to be sure that all members of the community follow the rules. As this thread seems to be having issues staying within the community guidelines, we have decided to close this thread. Thank you for your understanding.