Vet White Gold Tower Has Been Soloed!

Mush55

Well done I know you've been wanting this for a long time, just goes to show if one good player can solo this dungeon then a group of four average players can also do it.

Lore_lai

Awesome, @Vaoh !
That Planar Inhibitor fight!! Definitely my favorite (great control over the fight and resource management), although I loved seeing the little scamp face-tank Kena ^.^

Also WTF was up with Cordius' non-existent Rapid Strikes animation? o.O

Vaoh

Lore_lai wrote: »

Awesome, @Vaoh !
That Planar Inhibitor fight!! Definitely my favorite (great control over the fight and resource management), although I loved seeing the little scamp face-tank Kena ^.^

Also WTF was up with Cordius' non-existent Rapid Strikes animation? o.O

It never plays that animation. Been like that every time I fight that boss, whether grouped or not I should probably submit a bug report tbh!

SublimeSparo

Vaoh wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

Awesome, @Vaoh !
That Planar Inhibitor fight!! Definitely my favorite (great control over the fight and resource management), although I loved seeing the little scamp face-tank Kena ^.^

Also WTF was up with Cordius' non-existent Rapid Strikes animation? o.O

It never plays that animation. Been like that every time I fight that boss, whether grouped or not I should probably submit a bug report tbh!

Same with angrigoth in vMA you hear the rapid strikes, take the damage but she just stands there motionless

xeNNNNN

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Never thought I'd get haters from completing something so difficult and awesome kinda sad tbh

You get much more sincere and well deserved admiration than hate. The little hate you get is also understandable, because you're telling people that the content they're proud to complete in a group of four, or struggle to complete in a group of four, or cannot manage to complete in a group of four, is a "piece of cake". The conclusion is that people suck and you don't. I know that's not what you meant, nor what you think, but no matter how you put it, that's how it comes across to some people.

No. You're completely wrong.

I never said any of this. I also never advocated for any buffs/nerfs to vWGT or Sorcerers because of what I accomplished. What I did is far from a "piece of cake", which are your own words, not mine.

*All I have done is complete an impossibly difficult task and posted it for others to see since it's really cool to watch and I'm surprised I even managed to do it.*

If certain individuals want to take what I did as some sort of insult to themselves or get jealous when only one player has ever accomplished this.... well I can't really stop them. That's some wierd behavior.

And yet this is what you have brought to the table. To the people who will rant about buffing dungeons, you have proven to them that it must be done, and that anyone who disagrees is a casual. It does not matter if you never advocated it. It is what the takeaway will be for people.

Like it or not. You are complacent in this. I've said it to you before. But you went ahed and did it anyway. Hope the bragging rights were worth it.

The fact that dungeons can be solo'd is to some people, living proof they are too easy. Thanks a bunch for the buffs that will come and lock off one of the few dungeons that was still fun for me to do.

Edit: Edited to remove the comments on mitigation changes which I've since seen proof against.

Dont be so childish, some people do things to challenge themselves alone.

So because you're upset that either really you're jealous or, which is more than likely. You actually believe what you're saying..this person must be put down, moaned at, whined at? because he or she challenged himself or herself in game and beat his or her own challenge? really?

Dungeons and will NEVER change because of one person. A majority can copy the style and build and stats and try for themselves and ultimately fail. Why? because there is an aspect of RNG involved it also depends on the paitence of the individual and the focus because with a lot of end game content people are very chilled but if they were trying to complete it themselves? they wouldnt be.

your logic is flawed.

The only thing that might get nerfed? sorcs. MAYBE...

Why ? because if anyone is still around from the early days we all know what happened to the magicka DK's of the game because of craglorn delves.

Tai-Chi

Vaoh wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

Fantastic, I knew you had it when I watched that last video of you fighting the Planar Inhibitor. Congrats!

The biggest change between the 10% health run and this (successful run) was my Destruction Staff element. Lightning gives me the AoE Heavy Attack to work with, which helped a lot when overrun by Dremora.

I never had the Gold CP160 Magnus Lightning Staff I wanted when I planned to take down the Inhibitor. If I crafted one, it would need to be Gold, but I did not have the spare mats to waste. Because of this I originally planned to keep fighting through it with the Inferno Staff.

Funny how it happened actually..... a certain individual on PS4 sent me a Gold CP160 Magnus Lightning Staff for free! Messaged me about it when my mail was too full to receive anything. I wish I could thank this person in the main post but I don't know their Forum name!

Told you that lightning staff would help. Glad it did and good work on whoever sent you that staff
And ignore that idiot giving hate, there just aren't words to describe some people.

Yeah you were right! I was not used to using Lightning Staves in solo play. Little did I know that it's actually far better than my Inferno Staff! Only rarely do I find myself fighting with the Inferno Staff now.

As for that individual.... well if you aren't getting haters then you didn't try hard enough Tbh I did not think it was possible to hate someone for soloing Vet White Gold Tower.

SublimeSparo wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

Fantastic, I knew you had it when I watched that last video of you fighting the Planar Inhibitor. Congrats!

The biggest change between the 10% health run and this (successful run) was my Destruction Staff element. Lightning gives me the AoE Heavy Attack to work with, which helped a lot when overrun by Dremora.

I never had the Gold CP160 Magnus Lightning Staff I wanted when I planned to take down the Inhibitor. If I crafted one, it would need to be Gold, but I did not have the spare mats to waste. Because of this I originally planned to keep fighting through it with the Inferno Staff.

Funny how it happened actually..... a certain individual on PS4 sent me a Gold CP160 Magnus Lightning Staff for free! Messaged me about it when my mail was too full to receive anything. I wish I could thank this person in the main post but I don't know their Forum name!

Told you that lightning staff would help. Glad it did and good work on whoever sent you that staff
And ignore that idiot giving hate, there just aren't words to describe some people.

Vaoh wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

@Vaoh , have you tried going into ICP and testing whether or not your Streak is fast enough to get you across to reach both levers before they reset? They don't need to be pulled at exactly the same time. There is a small time-window.

That's honestly a smart idea ....

I might have to try that, assuming I can beat Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor who seems extraordinarily difficult (if not impossible)!

Doesn't your character sheathe their weapon when a lever is pulled though? Not sure it would work but your idea is very much worth a shot. I'll see what I can do

Yea ibomez does that ability where he pins you to floor and needs interrupting.. not sure if it's soloable ( you coukd slightly cheat and have a mag nb come along, do no damage and permacloak only there to interrupt and nothing else, and maybe pull levers later)

Naw. would not be a "true" solo then. If it cannot be soloed because of mechanics, then so be it

Once you get used to the light weave on a lightning staff they are pretty decent, and the heavy channel is an awesome aoe which is the thing sorcs lack the most imo.

Yea shame about unsoloable mechanics maybe able to streak away at the last minute from it not sure, or maybe bypass it with phoenix lol

Pheonix would only work once though

My only ideas are:
- Streaking away
- Sacrificing my Pet
- Glorious Defender set proc

If any of these work, it's be soloable. I honestly don't think it's a feasible battle to tackle alone, but I'll still try it.

The real question is whether or not I should activate Hard Mode for Velidreth! 4.6M health normally and 5.8M on Hard mode. The health difference and added mechanics are disgusting.... Def gonna focus on normal Vet Velidreth before I seriously attempt Hard Mode I think.

Could you imagine if someone pulled off a solo of Vet Hard Mode Velidreth!? Omg...

Here's hoping that some of these 'mechanics' sugestions work. It is heartening to read that there are other players who take joy in another person's successes and give them encouragement to do even better to achieve a hard goal.

I am a solo player who's favourite Mag Sorc (with loyal Clannfear) had never set foot inside a Group Dungeon before One Tamriel. Many have told me that I need to drop the Clannfear for end-game content. I do not want to do this. Your recent posts have given me optimism for the future with this Char.

@Vaoh wrote:

"Could you imagine if someone pulled off a solo of Vet Hard Mode Velidreth!? Omg..." I for one am looking forward to this. If you need something special crafting - at gold level, to help you win - then I am willing to do what I can, at no cost.

As for the (probably jealous) player who posts hate mail, my suggestion would be not to quote him using the @ format. Do we want "Community Ambassadors" with his attitude?

Good luck.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Tai-Chi wrote: »

I am a solo player who's favourite Mag Sorc (with loyal Clannfear) had never set foot inside a Group Dungeon before One Tamriel. Many have told me that I need to drop the Clannfear for end-game content. I do not want to do this. Your recent posts have given me optimism for the future with this Char.

I'm also a magsorc fan and my main is a mag sorc and always will be.
That being said, the fact that @Vaoh solo'ed this vet dungeon with a clannfear doesn't mean that pets in general are good for group content. Pets are excellent for solo/duo play. In 4-man dungeons they're just a useless annoyance and a DPS-loss since you could slot something useful instead. Only useful pet is the matriarch IF you're a healer.

Tai-Chi wrote: »

As for the (probably jealous) player who posts hate mail, my suggestion would be not to quote him using the @ format. Do we want "Community Ambassadors" with his attitude?

Leave @Doctordarkspawn alone. Stop taunting him over and over. He's entitled to his opinion and imho his concerns are somewhat legit. Remember ZOS capped CPs as soon as someone bragged over soloing Molag Bal. While @Vaoh ' performance is truly awesome, it could lead to negative consequences (people thinking ESO's too easy, magicka sorcs / pets getting nerfed or dungeons getting buffed, stupid hardcore mechanics being implemented to prevent solo'ing dungeons, etc. ). Remember these are group dungeons and solo'ing them, while awesome, is also a "misuse".

Cryptical

Mush55 wrote: »

Well done I know you've been wanting this for a long time, just goes to show if one good player can solo this dungeon then a group of four average players can also do it.

@Vaoh
This is an example of what doctordarkspawn was talking about. There's a couple things going on in this single sentence post.

First, it starts with reducing vaoh from an exceptional player to "good". This accomplishes the task of making the achievement seem possible for everyone. It narrows the perceived gap between vaoh and others. As in, people believe they can get good at the game with gear and practice. The phrase often used is 'git gud'; but if vaoh is exceptional then all the effort they are putting into getting 'good' isn't enough, so revise that exceptional thing down.

Second, is applying that massaged view to others. That's simple - if vaoh is 'good' then the group of people A + B + C + D = 'good' - which means each individual is less than 'good'... Merely average.

Then, the expectation of the tower. In lore, that tower is supposed to be at a pivotal fulcrum for all of the planet. It is the point around which all else orbits. It is the foothold dolmen that molag bal must have. As such, it's supposed to be hard to defeat Bal's forces there, in that place so important to the fruition of his plan. It's supposed to be hard. It's supposed to be hard. And not just regular type of hard... Hard for a group. Well, if that tower is supposed to be hard, then it should take better-than-average to complete it. And if it should be taking a group of better-than-average to complete it, that sort of thing should be beyond the realm of possibility for a person to defeat solo.

And that's where you break the curve, vaoh. The fact you did it calls into question whether wgt really is of the category 'hard for a group' or if it was really just 'average' all along.

schroed360

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Never thought I'd get haters from completing something so difficult and awesome kinda sad tbh

You get much more sincere and well deserved admiration than hate. The little hate you get is also understandable, because you're telling people that the content they're proud to complete in a group of four, or struggle to complete in a group of four, or cannot manage to complete in a group of four, is a "piece of cake". The conclusion is that people suck and you don't. I know that's not what you meant, nor what you think, but no matter how you put it, that's how it comes across to some people.

EDIT : Also (forgot to mention), remember that ZOS' "excuse" for capping CPs was "we saw someone soloing Molag Bal in the sewers. That's not how it was meant to be played, we must therefore stop the power creep".

Vaoh wrote: »

Also ZOS nerfs Vet dungeons because of QQ. They don't buff them! Fact check yourself.
We have multiple Vet dungeons that have been nerfed from QQ. Idk how much extra health ZOS gave these bosses in One Tamriel to make up for it, but they will always remain nerfed. Never buffed.

If the dungeon mobs get extra health points, it's a buff. Not a nerf. And yes, vet dungeons received quite a big buff with update 12 due to the blanket "scaling" of both their stats and ours.
Some dungeons have been nerfed in the past, but that's not based on QQ, it's based on completion rates.
Calling some people "QQers" will in my humble opinion NOT get you less hate.

But as I already said, you get much more applause than cries and that's well deserved. Just enjoy.

Dungeon were buff in one tamriel but they are still nerfed damage wise if you compare to 1.5 excepted the new one shot mechanics. Just did darkshade cavern 2 yesterday and on last boss heal could heal lighting phase easily... Before you had to get away. And even with health buff
the damage can go so high nowday...
Think it is in great spot now appart those one shot and even then they may be good even if annoying.

To the OP gratz on this personal achievement

Mush55

Cryptical wrote: »

Mush55 wrote: »

Well done I know you've been wanting this for a long time, just goes to show if one good player can solo this dungeon then a group of four average players can also do it.

@Vaoh
This is an example of what doctordarkspawn was talking about. There's a couple things going on in this single sentence post.

First, it starts with reducing vaoh from an exceptional player to "good". This accomplishes the task of making the achievement seem possible for everyone. It narrows the perceived gap between vaoh and others. As in, people believe they can get good at the game with gear and practice. The phrase often used is 'git gud'; but if vaoh is exceptional then all the effort they are putting into getting 'good' isn't enough, so revise that exceptional thing down.

Second, is applying that massaged view to others. That's simple - if vaoh is 'good' then the group of people A + B + C + D = 'good' - which means each individual is less than 'good'... Merely average.

Then, the expectation of the tower. In lore, that tower is supposed to be at a pivotal fulcrum for all of the planet. It is the point around which all else orbits. It is the foothold dolmen that molag bal must have. As such, it's supposed to be hard to defeat Bal's forces there, in that place so important to the fruition of his plan. It's supposed to be hard. It's supposed to be hard. And not just regular type of hard... Hard for a group. Well, if that tower is supposed to be hard, then it should take better-than-average to complete it. And if it should be taking a group of better-than-average to complete it, that sort of thing should be beyond the realm of possibility for a person to defeat solo.

And that's where you break the curve, vaoh. The fact you did it calls into question whether wgt really is of the category 'hard for a group' or if it was really just 'average' all along.

No I just goes to show with practice and an understanding of the mechanics a group can do this dungeon instead of all the nerf threads we get. Yes some players are bad with not the correct set up armour or skills and still expect to be able to do these dungeons and cry when it fails.

What you see in these videos is how vaoh killed the bosses what you don't see are the fails and the hours of perfecting a build and strategy to accomplish this .

This forum some times makes me want to bang my head, the way some people read into a post what is not there, and yes he is a good player if any better for you a damn good player, but better than that he has an understanding of the mechanics and a good build, To repeat myself alot of players dont have this

Tai-Chi

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Tai-Chi wrote: »

I am a solo player who's favourite Mag Sorc (with loyal Clannfear) had never set foot inside a Group Dungeon before One Tamriel. Many have told me that I need to drop the Clannfear for end-game content. I do not want to do this. Your recent posts have given me optimism for the future with this Char.

I'm also a magsorc fan and my main is a mag sorc and always will be.
That being said, the fact that @Vaoh solo'ed this vet dungeon with a clannfear doesn't mean that pets in general are good for group content. Pets are excellent for solo/duo play. In 4-man dungeons they're just a useless annoyance and a DPS-loss since you could slot something useful instead. Only useful pet is the matriarch IF you're a healer.

Tai-Chi wrote: »

As for the (probably jealous) player who posts hate mail, my suggestion would be not to quote him using the @ format. Do we want "Community Ambassadors" with his attitude?

Leave @Doctordarkspawn alone. Stop taunting him over and over. He's entitled to his opinion and imho his concerns are somewhat legit. Remember ZOS capped CPs as soon as someone bragged over soloing Molag Bal. While @Vaoh ' performance is truly awesome, it could lead to negative consequences (people thinking ESO's too easy, magicka sorcs / pets getting nerfed or dungeons getting buffed, stupid hardcore mechanics being implemented to prevent solo'ing dungeons, etc. ). Remember these are group dungeons and solo'ing them, while awesome, is also a "misuse".

Did I mention a particular player? I don't think so.

I am totally in agreement with you on the point about people getting their views and trepidations down for others to consider but in my opinion, that can be done without rudeness.

Diminish

Whilst this is a great accomplishment, and I give props to @Vaoh, the thing I will remember most about you is not your accomplishment, but your elitist attitude throughout this thread. Have a great day.

Vaoh

Diminish wrote: »

Whilst this is a great accomplishment, and I give props to @Vaoh, the thing I will remember most about you is not your accomplishment, but your elitist attitude throughout this thread. Have a great day.

You should reread this thread. I'm hardly what you'd call an elitist. Just a strong solo player looking to do cool stuff.

If you want to hate something about me or my accomplishment, then that's on you. Not my problem

Lore_lai

Diminish wrote: »

Whilst this is a great accomplishment, and I give props to @Vaoh, the thing I will remember most about you is not your accomplishment, but your elitist attitude throughout this thread. Have a great day.

For real?

OP even takes the time to post in great detail about the Inhibitor fight so that maybe, you know, people who struggle with it for whatever reason can learn something - and THAT is what you are going to remember about this thread? Your own perception that the OP is somehow "elitist"?

I'm sorry, but that's just petty.

Vaoh

Lore_lai wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

Whilst this is a great accomplishment, and I give props to @Vaoh, the thing I will remember most about you is not your accomplishment, but your elitist attitude throughout this thread. Have a great day.

For real?

OP even takes the time to post in great detail about the Inhibitor fight so that maybe, you know, people who struggle with it for whatever reason can learn something - and THAT is what you are going to remember about this thread? Your own perception that the OP is somehow "elitist"?

I'm sorry, but that's just petty.

Yeah it is petty

I've helped so many people learn how to run content in this game that's it's unreal. Those who know me in-game know I never have problems with anyone as well. I'm like.... the nice guy

My description of the Inhibitor's mechanics are the most detailed you'll ever find, complete with tested values from many repeated deaths. I'm honestly done trying to help the haters. Some people can only feel good about themselves by diminishing other's accomplishments. The OPs forum name is literally @Diminish

Mic1007

Yeah, I'm studying those notes myself. Thinking of making a Sorc tank that can hold the pinion for the whole fight and make the fight like twenty times easier for everyone else. Or I can just make my pet tank it. He seemed to take on the Abjudicator and Molag Kena better than most Tanks.

Vaoh

Mic1007 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm studying those notes myself. Thinking of making a Sorc tank that can hold the pinion for the whole fight and make the fight like twenty times easier for everyone else. Or I can just make my pet tank it. He seemed to take on the Abjudicator and Molag Kena better than most Tanks.

Summon Familiar (+morphs) is awesome for tanking, except for its restrictions/flaws ofc. It can't tank everything - only one target.

You also cannot choose which target this is in most scenarios. To keep your pet alive you'll also find yourself spamming Conjured Ward a lot, which was hit with the duration nerf (indirect nerf to pets -_-)

Real tanks hold on to multiple targets, debuff enemies, buff allies, keep up Warhorn, etc.

But yeah Summon Familiar is awesome for solo play. Just don't take your pets into PvP and expect any good to come out of it

timidobserver

Anyone aware of a way to bypass the The Adjudicator's cage mechanic without a pet class?

Vaoh

timidobserver wrote: »

Anyone aware of a way to bypass the The Adjudicator's cage mechanic without a pet class?

Obviously a NB's Summon Shade teleport and Sorc's Pets are the best ways.... but there are others.

Gap closers. Try dragging the Adjudicator into an area where you can gap close and see if you fly through the cage

Also, I would give the Shadowrend and Maw of the Infernal sets a chance. Make sure to throw down something like Caltrops to extend her aggro time a bit, and possibly get lucky to hold aggro alone (rare but happens sometimes). Those are my ideas at least

Good luck!

X3ina

Impressive !

But don't try vICP, thouse "levers" cannot be pulled by 1 player only (not sure if a magicka nightblade can do it).

Vaoh

X3ina wrote: »

Impressive !

But don't try vICP, thouse "levers" cannot be pulled by 1 player only (not sure if a magicka nightblade can do it).

I'd be surprised if Mag NB Summon shade didn't work. Still, I have to try my best at vICP as a Mag Sorc. You can never know if it actually is soloable after all. My guess is that I won't be able to bypass the lever obstacle..... assuming I can even get past Ibomez.

AoDD33pfri3d

Why can't our damage show like that on console we should be able to see it

Vaoh

AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »

Why can't our damage show like that on console we should be able to see it

This is on PS4 that I soloed Vet White Gold Tower.

Damage does show up like that on console

Vaoh

Mush55 wrote: »

What you see in these videos is how vaoh killed the bosses what you don't see are the fails and the hours of perfecting a build and strategy to accomplish this .

Yep. Unfortunately I didn't have amazing gear to fight the Inhibitor either. In fact, I even wore some of the wrong gear! (found out when I switched gear to fight Molag Kena -_-)

I just want to say that Vet Imperial City Prison is impossible to solo, and that I've been working on Vet Cradle of Shadows which IS soloable on Hard Mode. I hope to complete it for the sake of proving that it is possible. This is a boss I've struggled to defeat even with some great groups in the past. So many deaths later, I can say that I am getting closer

Stardark

I cannot believe the negativity surrounding this. Well done is all I can say.

In another game I played there were challenges where people tried to fight as many end game bosses at once solo. These were bosses designed for 8 players. One player managed 9, so 8x9, or content designed for 72 other players.

People who do this kind of stuff are to be celebrated and if anything consulted by the devs on designing new content (As happened in the other game), not scorned for proving content is easy.

olsborg

@Vaoh try soloing vICP please.

anitajoneb17_ESO

olsborg wrote: »

@Vaoh try soloing vICP please.

LoL...

Vaoh wrote: »

I just want to say that Vet Imperial City Prison is impossible to solo,

Doctordarkspawn

Stardark wrote: »

I cannot believe the negativity surrounding this. Well done is all I can say.

In another game I played there were challenges where people tried to fight as many end game bosses at once solo. These were bosses designed for 8 players. One player managed 9, so 8x9, or content designed for 72 other players.

People who do this kind of stuff are to be celebrated and if anything consulted by the devs on designing new content (As happened in the other game), not scorned for proving content is easy.

Asking solo artists for design tips is like asking the top tier raidguilds for imput on your raids. The result of their imput will be, only they can complete it.

Unsent.Soul

olsborg wrote: »

@Vaoh try soloing vICP please.

Did you read his comment just two spots up from yours?

dodgehopper_ESO

Vaoh wrote: »

Tarrin wrote: »

NERF SORCS!!!!!!11111111

I knew this would come up....

Plz don't ZOS. The only reason a Sorc can do this is because of sheer luck in class design.

If others had Streak/Pets they could do it too

Plz no nerfs cause ONE PLAYER soloed vWGT

I'm still hopeful spellcrafting will allow pets for other classes some day. It always irks me that we can 'summon' daedroths, dwemer etc with gear, but can't use those skills as a skill. Props on the achievement. This reminds me of the fun I had with my Sorc early in the game.