Spriggan/Spinners set, how much more dmg?

olsborg

So lets say your target has 17k armor/resist, how much dmg would 4000 penetration be in %? (in pvp)

Or lets take 3 different scenarios.

1st target has 11k armor
2nd target has 17k armor
3rd target has 25k armor


Gee thanks!

PS4_ZeColmeia

Armor cap is 33k = 50% damage reduction

4/33=x/50

33x=200

x= 6.1% damage reduction

so you can work that same equation the other way if you want to see what the remaining mitigation would do to your damage from tooltip

P3ZZL3

I have no idea if that is good or bad tbh.

PS4_ZeColmeia

you could compare it to Minor Brutality or Minor fracture by saying they increase your damage by 8%, effectively, so it's nearly the same increase. Like MB its only helping you, and like MF if reduces armor. It also stacks with both, so if you have all 3 you have 1.08x*1.08*1.06 where x is the damage you make.

Dagoth_Rac

Mitigation is different for players versus monsters. I believe 500 armor/spell resist is 1% mitigation on monsters, while 660 is 1% mitigation on players. So, in PvP:

4K / 660 = 6.1% reduced damage mitigation

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11K armor/spell resist = 11000 / 660 = 16.6% mitigation.
You attack with something that does 10,000 tooltip damage
16.6% mitigated, so actual damage is 10000 * (1 - 0.166) = 8340 damage

11K armor/spell resist - 4K Spriggan/Spinner penetration = 7K armor/spell resist
7K armor/spell resist = 7000 / 660 = 10.6% mitigation.
You attack with something that does 10,000 tooltip damage
10.6% mitigated, so actual damage is 10000 * (1 - 0.106) = 8940 damage

8940 / 8340 = ~7.2% DPS increase
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17K armor/spell resist = 17000 / 660 = 25.75% mitigation.
You attack with something that does 10,000 tooltip damage
25.75% mitigated, so actual damage is 10000 * (1 - 0.2575) = 7424 damage

17K armor/spell resist - 4K Spriggan/Spinner penetration = 13K armor/spell resist
13K armor/spell resist = 13000 / 660 = 19.7% mitigation.
You attack with something that does 10,000 tooltip damage
19.7% mitigated, so actual damage is 10000 * (1 - 0.197) = 8030 damage

8030 / 7424 = ~8.2% DPS increase
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Hopefully this conveys that the flat damage increase is about the same (roughly 600 on a 10000 tooltip attack), but the percentage increase in damage goes up the more armor/spell resist the target has.

RazielSR

Seems these sets are not that uselful for pve?

Minalan

RazielSR wrote: »

Seems these sets are not that uselful for pve?

Most bosses have 18K armor or more.

The problem is that the spinner increase isn't all that significant. You're doing 600 more damage on a 10K hit. You get more from a single ravage health poison tick.

Any destruction staff user is better off with elegance, where a 9K heavy attack does roughly 1800 more damage. A lightning attack channel does about 1000 more on each undodgable 5K tick. An overload light attack on a boss will do about 7K more on a 36K light attack...

luen79rwb17_ESO

Yeah I'm definately keeping Elegant set for overload builds.

Question is if Spinner set could replace a TBS, or a monster set build in a raid enviroment?

SublimeSparo

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah I'm definately keeping Elegant set for overload builds.

Question is if Spinner set could replace a TBS, or a monster set build in a raid enviroment?

Unlikely.

Major Fracture/ Breach - 5280
Minir Fracture/ Breach - 1320
Alkosh - 3010
Infused Crusher enchant 1925
Sunderflame 3440
Nightmothers Gaze 2580 physical pen only
Concentration - 4884 spell pen only
Sharpened weapons - 5160

EL1TE

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah I'm definately keeping Elegant set for overload builds.

Question is if Spinner set could replace a TBS, or a monster set build in a raid enviroment?

You shouldn't be replacing TBS with Spriggan/Spinners, you should be using 5 TBS Armors (Not shoulders or head piece), 2 Sp Weapons and 3 Sp Accessories, then you can still use a monster set.

So:

5 TBS
5 Spriggan/Spinner
Monster Set (Krag for example).

If no Dual Wield can still use Krag shoulder or head and one Spriggan/Spinners head or shoulder along one Krag.

ryanborror

Only useful for pvp or solo play. Stam one might be useful in a group that's not optimal, but even without alkosh most stuff has its armor stripped by all other debuffs. The magic set will be only good against other players or for solo play as light armor gives 4884 additional spell pen, that along with sharpened weappns, major/minor breach, and crusher there's not much left to strip from pve mobs. The good thing though, is that if you play solo a lot, all monsters supposedly have 18k resists now, so you will do increased damage to trash as well as bosses now. And precise has almost no use now.

Pistolterrence

SublimeSparo wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah I'm definately keeping Elegant set for overload builds.

Question is if Spinner set could replace a TBS, or a monster set build in a raid enviroment?

Unlikely.

Major Fracture/ Breach - 5280
Minir Fracture/ Breach - 1320
Alkosh - 3010
Infused Crusher enchant 1925
Sunderflame 3440
Nightmothers Gaze 2580 physical pen only
Concentration - 4884 spell pen only
Sharpened weapons - 5160

Isn't sunder flame physical only also?