BiS Gear Sets for 1T [Community Project]

Izaki

Alcast wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

@Destruent
actually if people suggest 5x Infallible then its definitely better to go 5x Moondancer because of the 5 piece bonus.

Sure, i'd even use 5x Moondancer if i'd have 2 swords
But until i have this, i have to use 5x aether

You have Infallible swords? G I V E me xD.

Man I have been farming CoA the past week for like 5h straight each day. Still no staff.....
I lost counts on how many times I had run trials and still not a single sword from Moondancer or Infallible.

It aint happening

I feel your pain... Been looking for a Infallible Aether lightning sharpened staff since DB upgraded Sanctum to CP160. Never seen it. I mean I have seen it, but in powered -.-'

Destruent

Alcast wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

@Destruent
actually if people suggest 5x Infallible then its definitely better to go 5x Moondancer because of the 5 piece bonus.

Sure, i'd even use 5x Moondancer if i'd have 2 swords
But until i have this, i have to use 5x aether

You have Infallible swords? G I V E me xD.

Man I have been farming CoA the past week for like 5h straight each day. Still no staff.....
I lost counts on how many times I had run trials and still not a single sword from Moondancer or Infallible.

It aint happening

ALL SWORDS BELONG TO ME!!!!

But i still need a second moondancer sword, but it works in some combination with only one sword.

dpencil

OP updated with the latest additions. If anyone knows of any BiS builds not yet listed that you can link build videos to, please do!

FloppyTouch

Mdk pvp
5 silks of sun 2 rings 1 necklace sword and shield(sword sharpened)

5 seducer body

2 grothdarr

Skills I use
Whip,embers,talons,inner light, fossilize, ult shooting star

Bar 2
Wings,inhale,green dragon blood, elusive must, entropy devouring swarm ult

Tri state food, immovable pots with health and magic

Mage stone

My stats unbuffed 42k max magic 27k max health 15 Stam

SD 2,500
Recovery 800<-- lol

I use all sturdy on my build no impen with 100 points of go into reduce cost of blocking and do a lot of block casting. Might not sound like the best of the best but in small group pvp 2-4 man stuff this build works really good.

Stamden

What would BiS gear be for vMA magika DK for getting the highest scores? In solo, pen is a big deal so something with Spinners I am assuming?

WalksonGraves

Woeler wrote: »

Best in slot for tanks does not exist. Good tanks have different sets for different fights. Tanks that wear the same gear in every instance/fight have no clue what they are doing.

You'd have to add lots of sets there.

jaburns wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

@Erock25

Alkosh .

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About this thread , there are no such things as best in slot for tanks and healers . As tanks , we change gear , CP and skills more than you know . As for healers , it is all about the group they are in . They change skills , gear according to the group and the fight . DPS is the only thing that has a meta and BiS gear/skill setup . I don't think you should ever fill those tank and healer spots . It will be just wrong if you do that .

@Woeler @Liofa @Asmael

You know? I actually got kicked out of one of my guilds for this. Some newer player was asking about "talons" and I told him that, depending on how he wants to tank, Burning Talons is fun to slot if you're a mDK tank. Suddenly, the guild chat "elites" went batsh*t on me because it wasn't what they used.

I then said that when I tank, I like to use 5 Leeching, 5 Bahraha, 2 Valkyn on my Argonian DK. It works well with everything except vet Trials.

The Argonian gets 5% healing received/given, Leeching adds 8% extra healing, Leeching & Bahraha adds to group dps and self heals, AND Valkyn/Leeching's flame/poison AOE synergizes well with a DK's "World in Ruin" passive.

Next thing I know, I've got the GM whispering me- telling me to never give advice to newer people... and that I'm holding my group back when I tank like that. It's not "real tanking". WHAT?!?!

Anyway, I told the GM that he was "ate up" and that the "meta" build for tanks (BS, Tava, non-stop warhorn) is great for vet Trials- but for the other 99% of the game, you can enjoy yourself with different builds while tanking. Poof! I was kicked.

You'll encounter a lot of people like this. I have a similar tank and I've never encountered anything that posed a challenge. This game has the most flexible build design I've ever seen and people are stuck in this cookie cutter mentality where they think only dk can tank.

Woeler

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Best in slot for tanks does not exist. Good tanks have different sets for different fights. Tanks that wear the same gear in every instance/fight have no clue what they are doing.

You'd have to add lots of sets there.

jaburns wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

@Erock25

Alkosh .

---

About this thread , there are no such things as best in slot for tanks and healers . As tanks , we change gear , CP and skills more than you know . As for healers , it is all about the group they are in . They change skills , gear according to the group and the fight . DPS is the only thing that has a meta and BiS gear/skill setup . I don't think you should ever fill those tank and healer spots . It will be just wrong if you do that .

@Woeler @Liofa @Asmael

You know? I actually got kicked out of one of my guilds for this. Some newer player was asking about "talons" and I told him that, depending on how he wants to tank, Burning Talons is fun to slot if you're a mDK tank. Suddenly, the guild chat "elites" went batsh*t on me because it wasn't what they used.

I then said that when I tank, I like to use 5 Leeching, 5 Bahraha, 2 Valkyn on my Argonian DK. It works well with everything except vet Trials.

The Argonian gets 5% healing received/given, Leeching adds 8% extra healing, Leeching & Bahraha adds to group dps and self heals, AND Valkyn/Leeching's flame/poison AOE synergizes well with a DK's "World in Ruin" passive.

Next thing I know, I've got the GM whispering me- telling me to never give advice to newer people... and that I'm holding my group back when I tank like that. It's not "real tanking". WHAT?!?!

Anyway, I told the GM that he was "ate up" and that the "meta" build for tanks (BS, Tava, non-stop warhorn) is great for vet Trials- but for the other 99% of the game, you can enjoy yourself with different builds while tanking. Poof! I was kicked.

You'll encounter a lot of people like this. I have a similar tank and I've never encountered anything that posed a challenge. This game has the most flexible build design I've ever seen and people are stuck in this cookie cutter mentality where they think only dk can tank.

So, did you tank veteran trials? VMOL? Sure if you only do dungeons nothing is challenge.

Nidro

So guys, i have a question..

I'm running my Mag Sorc for Vet Trials atm.

I tried out 2 Setups.

Twice Born Star + 3x Aether + Ilambris + Flame Staff (No VMA, as i have no luck) and a VMA Lightning Staff

The DPS i made with that Setup wasnt as good as with the following Setup: (what my feeling tells me)

5x Elegance 5x Julianos 1x Molag Kena

Well I'm a PS4 Player and i cant see sh** how much DPS i actually do and what Monster Helm uptime i have and so on..

Its not an Overload build actually, but really really high burst damage (fragments hit for around 48k~ when fully buffed in raid with horn, aether, combat prayer~, while my other Setup(TBS+Aether,etc) only was only 38k crit... with same buffs on)

I really only use the Overload which will hit for 45-50k when im getting low on resources (together with curse and lightning flood ofc which will boost DPS a bit more while overloading)

The Thing is my Julianos/Elegance Setup just feels so much better than my TBS Setup...

Can some people who maybe even tested this out could answer this?

I'd really appreciate that :-)

Thanks

Yours Nidro~~

SanTii.92

Engine guardian is a trash set

Vaoh

This thread attracted all of the smart people!

As a Magicka Sorc I plan on running 2x Ilambris, 4x Aether/Moondancer, 1x Maelstrom Inferno Destro.

Should the final 5-piece bonus be Julianos, Scathing Mage, Burning Spellweave, Mother's Sorrow, Spinner's Garments, or Twice-Born Star? If it's different in Trials vs. Dungeons plz let me know. Ty!

Destruent

Vaoh wrote: »

This thread attracted all of the smart people!

As a Magicka Sorc I plan on running 2x Ilambris, 4x Aether/Moondancer, 1x Maelstrom Inferno Destro.

Should the final 5-piece bonus be Julianos, Scathing Mage, Burning Spellweave, Mother's Sorrow, Spinner's Garments, or Twice-Born Star? If it's different in Trials vs. Dungeons plz let me know. Ty!

Spinners Garments: is BiS in Solocontent when you don't run any resistance-debuffs, but is nearly useless in group content (major breach + light armor + sharpened --> ~5.2k+ ~5.2+ ~4.8k = ~15.2k, so only ~3k left)

julianos, Scathing, burning spellweaver: Scathing needs 59%+ and spellweaver 50% + uptime to outdps julianos. Spellweaver should provide a little bit more ST-DPS than scathing, whereas scathing has the potential for more AoE-DPS (needs uptime of 80%+)

TBS, mothers sorrow: It depends on your major force uptime. iirc with ~50% tbs should be better, at 60% mothers sorrow is better. TBS has the nice bonus of one HP and stam bonus, which is nice for survivability.

scathing, spellweaver, mothers sorrow and also tbs, julianos are pretty close dps-wise in trials. scathing, spellweaver and mothers sorrow should come out on top in a perfectly minmaxed raidgroup imo.

Vaoh

Destruent wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

This thread attracted all of the smart people!

As a Magicka Sorc I plan on running 2x Ilambris, 4x Aether/Moondancer, 1x Maelstrom Inferno Destro.

Should the final 5-piece bonus be Julianos, Scathing Mage, Burning Spellweave, Mother's Sorrow, Spinner's Garments, or Twice-Born Star? If it's different in Trials vs. Dungeons plz let me know. Ty!

Spinners Garments: is BiS in Solocontent when you don't run any resistance-debuffs, but is nearly useless in group content (major breach + light armor + sharpened --> ~5.2k+ ~5.2+ ~4.8k = ~15.2k, so only ~3k left)

julianos, Scathing, burning spellweaver: Scathing needs 59%+ and spellweaver 50% + uptime to outdps julianos. Spellweaver should provide a little bit more ST-DPS than scathing, whereas scathing has the potential for more AoE-DPS (needs uptime of 80%+)

TBS, mothers sorrow: It depends on your major force uptime. iirc with ~50% tbs should be better, at 60% mothers sorrow is better. TBS has the nice bonus of one HP and stam bonus, which is nice for survivability.

scathing, spellweaver, mothers sorrow and also tbs, julianos are pretty close dps-wise in trials. scathing, spellweaver and mothers sorrow should come out on top in a perfectly minmaxed raidgroup imo.

Also info. Ty! I need to clarify something else though.

So if I had to choose between Scathing Mage and Burning Spellweave, which would be stronger? Remember I'm a Magicka Sorc but I still deal tons of Fire damage ticks.

It also seems that I can literally just run one of these two sets and be perfect for vMA, group dungeons and trials alike!

Destruent

Yes, both of them should work in all content, but proccsets are imo bad in vMSA bc if you are unlucky, you don't have the buff when you need it. In longer fights it doesn't matter that much, but for burst it's important. But sure, it works. I guess scathing would be better in vMSA, bc it has no cooldown.

Spellweave vs scathing:

Spellweave: You usually get 55%...60% Uptime which equals 330...360 spelldmg, but it's capped at 66% uptime (400 spelldmg). You will nearly reach the cap with adds simply bc of wall of elements (it can procc from dots and everything).

scathing: should have 60%....70% uptime in ST-fights which equals 307...358 spelldmg. But it has the potential for even higher uptime in AoE and with adds (at 80%+ it's clearly superior to spellweave).

Hard to decide imo, i'll go with scathing on sorc, just bc i use spellweave on templar and DK already and i don't want to use the same gear on all chars
But referring to Yolo from hodor, burning spellweave is the way to go for sorcs.

dpencil

I've updated the OP with Kodi's PvP Magicka Sorc build video. If you guys see other best in slot videos around that I haven't linked, please post them. Also, if you disagree with one of the builds, it would be great if you could offer a link to an alternative build video you think better represents a best in slot choice.

Also if anyone has any suggestions for categories that are not filled in yet, even without a build video, I'll happily take them under advisement. I know Tank and Healer builds aren't so clear cut, but my hope is to at least give some direction to the gear hunt for the general population.

Jeckll

Destruent wrote: »

TBS, mothers sorrow: It depends on your major force uptime. iirc with ~50% tbs should be better, at 60% mothers sorrow is better. TBS has the nice bonus of one HP and stam bonus, which is nice for survivability.

According to my testings, Major Force uptime doesnt change the difference between TBS and Leviathan, so I think the same should apply to Mother's Sorrow.

Asayre

Destruent wrote: »

TBS, mothers sorrow: It depends on your major force uptime. iirc with ~50% tbs should be better, at 60% mothers sorrow is better. TBS has the nice bonus of one HP and stam bonus, which is nice for survivability.

I agree with Jeckll, the threshold between TBS and Sorrow is independent of Major Force uptime. This can be shown mathematically.

AzuraKin

tbs will outperform sorrow/leviathan.

mothers sorrow/leviathon gives 13.7% crit.
all divine tbs gives 16.7% crit

meaning the rms factor is 85% with thief and 68 with shadow
all divine tbs would be 72% with both thief and shadow.

AzuraKin

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Best in slot for tanks does not exist. Good tanks have different sets for different fights. Tanks that wear the same gear in every instance/fight have no clue what they are doing.

You'd have to add lots of sets there.

@Woeler I'm fairly new to tanking and I'm currently running 5 tava 5 akaviri dragonguard and whatever monster set but mostly bloodspawn on my sorc. I definitely feel there are fights where my set up is poor like when I need to kite or don't get hit often enough to sustain resources. What's a good alternate setup?

Tanking has came a long way since the beginning of this game. There was a time when you just kept the aggro of boss and kept him facing away from the group to now where you support and buff the whole group DPS and other things. Also it has to be considered the instance you are tanking because in some trials now you need two tanks.
So the gear choice is also different depending if you are main or off tank.
I take it @woeler has a very informative video about the on tube. You might wanna search it.
For the sake of this thread, there are a couple of standard setups -

1. 5x Tava + 5 Ebon + 2 BS- it's a good mix of craft able and farmed sets and provides good support to group with extra health and more WH uptime. You can run this setup in pretty much every instance of this game.
2. 5x Lunar Bastion + 5 Alkosh + 2 BS/ Lord warden- it's a fairly good support set for off tanks as they can concentrate more on taking synergies and keeping the Both buff uptime as much as they can while guarding the main tank as well off tanking the adds.
3. 5x Classic Hist Bark + 5x Tava+ 2 BS- a very decent setup for starter tanks with most gear craft able.

Regarding resource sustain, I can not comment as yours is a sorc tank and I've no clue about it but on DK tanks it's all about knowing the different fights and a mix use of skills/ Pots and Ultimates is the basic resources management.

There a a few more set options which can be played around with-
1. Plague Doctor- Look at that health bonus.
2. Mephala Hand- interesting effects.
3. Akaviri Dragon gaurd- not bad for more WH uptime.

so you always had isntances where 2 tanks was needed. and the trial overhaul changed that to no longer needing off tank in so other then last fight.

hrc you only need 1 tank

aa you only need 1 tank

mol you need 2 tanks.

Woeler

AzuraKin wrote: »

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Best in slot for tanks does not exist. Good tanks have different sets for different fights. Tanks that wear the same gear in every instance/fight have no clue what they are doing.

You'd have to add lots of sets there.

@Woeler I'm fairly new to tanking and I'm currently running 5 tava 5 akaviri dragonguard and whatever monster set but mostly bloodspawn on my sorc. I definitely feel there are fights where my set up is poor like when I need to kite or don't get hit often enough to sustain resources. What's a good alternate setup?

Tanking has came a long way since the beginning of this game. There was a time when you just kept the aggro of boss and kept him facing away from the group to now where you support and buff the whole group DPS and other things. Also it has to be considered the instance you are tanking because in some trials now you need two tanks.
So the gear choice is also different depending if you are main or off tank.
I take it @woeler has a very informative video about the on tube. You might wanna search it.
For the sake of this thread, there are a couple of standard setups -

1. 5x Tava + 5 Ebon + 2 BS- it's a good mix of craft able and farmed sets and provides good support to group with extra health and more WH uptime. You can run this setup in pretty much every instance of this game.
2. 5x Lunar Bastion + 5 Alkosh + 2 BS/ Lord warden- it's a fairly good support set for off tanks as they can concentrate more on taking synergies and keeping the Both buff uptime as much as they can while guarding the main tank as well off tanking the adds.
3. 5x Classic Hist Bark + 5x Tava+ 2 BS- a very decent setup for starter tanks with most gear craft able.

Regarding resource sustain, I can not comment as yours is a sorc tank and I've no clue about it but on DK tanks it's all about knowing the different fights and a mix use of skills/ Pots and Ultimates is the basic resources management.

There a a few more set options which can be played around with-
1. Plague Doctor- Look at that health bonus.
2. Mephala Hand- interesting effects.
3. Akaviri Dragon gaurd- not bad for more WH uptime.

so you always had isntances where 2 tanks was needed. and the trial overhaul changed that to no longer needing off tank in so other then last fight.

hrc you only need 1 tank

aa you only need 1 tank

mol you need 2 tanks.

Warrior hardmode -> 2 tanks
Mage hardmode -> 2 tanks

Destruent

Asayre wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

TBS, mothers sorrow: It depends on your major force uptime. iirc with ~50% tbs should be better, at 60% mothers sorrow is better. TBS has the nice bonus of one HP and stam bonus, which is nice for survivability.

I agree with Jeckll, the threshold between TBS and Sorrow is independent of Major Force uptime. This can be shown mathematically.

Thank you and @Jeckll for correcting me and posting the link

AzuraKin

Woeler wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Best in slot for tanks does not exist. Good tanks have different sets for different fights. Tanks that wear the same gear in every instance/fight have no clue what they are doing.

You'd have to add lots of sets there.

@Woeler I'm fairly new to tanking and I'm currently running 5 tava 5 akaviri dragonguard and whatever monster set but mostly bloodspawn on my sorc. I definitely feel there are fights where my set up is poor like when I need to kite or don't get hit often enough to sustain resources. What's a good alternate setup?

Tanking has came a long way since the beginning of this game. There was a time when you just kept the aggro of boss and kept him facing away from the group to now where you support and buff the whole group DPS and other things. Also it has to be considered the instance you are tanking because in some trials now you need two tanks.
So the gear choice is also different depending if you are main or off tank.
I take it @woeler has a very informative video about the on tube. You might wanna search it.
For the sake of this thread, there are a couple of standard setups -

1. 5x Tava + 5 Ebon + 2 BS- it's a good mix of craft able and farmed sets and provides good support to group with extra health and more WH uptime. You can run this setup in pretty much every instance of this game.
2. 5x Lunar Bastion + 5 Alkosh + 2 BS/ Lord warden- it's a fairly good support set for off tanks as they can concentrate more on taking synergies and keeping the Both buff uptime as much as they can while guarding the main tank as well off tanking the adds.
3. 5x Classic Hist Bark + 5x Tava+ 2 BS- a very decent setup for starter tanks with most gear craft able.

Regarding resource sustain, I can not comment as yours is a sorc tank and I've no clue about it but on DK tanks it's all about knowing the different fights and a mix use of skills/ Pots and Ultimates is the basic resources management.

There a a few more set options which can be played around with-
1. Plague Doctor- Look at that health bonus.
2. Mephala Hand- interesting effects.
3. Akaviri Dragon gaurd- not bad for more WH uptime.

so you always had isntances where 2 tanks was needed. and the trial overhaul changed that to no longer needing off tank in so other then last fight.

hrc you only need 1 tank

aa you only need 1 tank

mol you need 2 tanks.

Warrior hardmode -> 2 tanks
Mage hardmode -> 2 tanks

warrior hm need only 1 tank you dont tank the gargoyles you get warrior to destroy them.
mage hm you need only 1 tank (axes) dd's dps down the atronachs.

Destruent

AzuraKin wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Best in slot for tanks does not exist. Good tanks have different sets for different fights. Tanks that wear the same gear in every instance/fight have no clue what they are doing.

You'd have to add lots of sets there.

@Woeler I'm fairly new to tanking and I'm currently running 5 tava 5 akaviri dragonguard and whatever monster set but mostly bloodspawn on my sorc. I definitely feel there are fights where my set up is poor like when I need to kite or don't get hit often enough to sustain resources. What's a good alternate setup?

Tanking has came a long way since the beginning of this game. There was a time when you just kept the aggro of boss and kept him facing away from the group to now where you support and buff the whole group DPS and other things. Also it has to be considered the instance you are tanking because in some trials now you need two tanks.
So the gear choice is also different depending if you are main or off tank.
I take it @woeler has a very informative video about the on tube. You might wanna search it.
For the sake of this thread, there are a couple of standard setups -

1. 5x Tava + 5 Ebon + 2 BS- it's a good mix of craft able and farmed sets and provides good support to group with extra health and more WH uptime. You can run this setup in pretty much every instance of this game.
2. 5x Lunar Bastion + 5 Alkosh + 2 BS/ Lord warden- it's a fairly good support set for off tanks as they can concentrate more on taking synergies and keeping the Both buff uptime as much as they can while guarding the main tank as well off tanking the adds.
3. 5x Classic Hist Bark + 5x Tava+ 2 BS- a very decent setup for starter tanks with most gear craft able.

Regarding resource sustain, I can not comment as yours is a sorc tank and I've no clue about it but on DK tanks it's all about knowing the different fights and a mix use of skills/ Pots and Ultimates is the basic resources management.

There a a few more set options which can be played around with-
1. Plague Doctor- Look at that health bonus.
2. Mephala Hand- interesting effects.
3. Akaviri Dragon gaurd- not bad for more WH uptime.

so you always had isntances where 2 tanks was needed. and the trial overhaul changed that to no longer needing off tank in so other then last fight.

hrc you only need 1 tank

aa you only need 1 tank

mol you need 2 tanks.

Warrior hardmode -> 2 tanks
Mage hardmode -> 2 tanks

warrior hm need only 1 tank you dont tank the gargoyles you get warrior to destroy them.
mage hm you need only 1 tank (axes) dd's dps down the atronachs.

I'd like to see a video of both HMs with only one tank ^^

Woeler

AzuraKin wrote: »

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Best in slot for tanks does not exist. Good tanks have different sets for different fights. Tanks that wear the same gear in every instance/fight have no clue what they are doing.

You'd have to add lots of sets there.

@Woeler I'm fairly new to tanking and I'm currently running 5 tava 5 akaviri dragonguard and whatever monster set but mostly bloodspawn on my sorc. I definitely feel there are fights where my set up is poor like when I need to kite or don't get hit often enough to sustain resources. What's a good alternate setup?

Tanking has came a long way since the beginning of this game. There was a time when you just kept the aggro of boss and kept him facing away from the group to now where you support and buff the whole group DPS and other things. Also it has to be considered the instance you are tanking because in some trials now you need two tanks.
So the gear choice is also different depending if you are main or off tank.
I take it @woeler has a very informative video about the on tube. You might wanna search it.
For the sake of this thread, there are a couple of standard setups -

1. 5x Tava + 5 Ebon + 2 BS- it's a good mix of craft able and farmed sets and provides good support to group with extra health and more WH uptime. You can run this setup in pretty much every instance of this game.
2. 5x Lunar Bastion + 5 Alkosh + 2 BS/ Lord warden- it's a fairly good support set for off tanks as they can concentrate more on taking synergies and keeping the Both buff uptime as much as they can while guarding the main tank as well off tanking the adds.
3. 5x Classic Hist Bark + 5x Tava+ 2 BS- a very decent setup for starter tanks with most gear craft able.

Regarding resource sustain, I can not comment as yours is a sorc tank and I've no clue about it but on DK tanks it's all about knowing the different fights and a mix use of skills/ Pots and Ultimates is the basic resources management.

There a a few more set options which can be played around with-
1. Plague Doctor- Look at that health bonus.
2. Mephala Hand- interesting effects.
3. Akaviri Dragon gaurd- not bad for more WH uptime.

so you always had isntances where 2 tanks was needed. and the trial overhaul changed that to no longer needing off tank in so other then last fight.

hrc you only need 1 tank

aa you only need 1 tank

mol you need 2 tanks.

Warrior hardmode -> 2 tanks
Mage hardmode -> 2 tanks

AzuraKin wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Best in slot for tanks does not exist. Good tanks have different sets for different fights. Tanks that wear the same gear in every instance/fight have no clue what they are doing.

You'd have to add lots of sets there.

@Woeler I'm fairly new to tanking and I'm currently running 5 tava 5 akaviri dragonguard and whatever monster set but mostly bloodspawn on my sorc. I definitely feel there are fights where my set up is poor like when I need to kite or don't get hit often enough to sustain resources. What's a good alternate setup?

Tanking has came a long way since the beginning of this game. There was a time when you just kept the aggro of boss and kept him facing away from the group to now where you support and buff the whole group DPS and other things. Also it has to be considered the instance you are tanking because in some trials now you need two tanks.
So the gear choice is also different depending if you are main or off tank.
I take it @woeler has a very informative video about the on tube. You might wanna search it.
For the sake of this thread, there are a couple of standard setups -

1. 5x Tava + 5 Ebon + 2 BS- it's a good mix of craft able and farmed sets and provides good support to group with extra health and more WH uptime. You can run this setup in pretty much every instance of this game.
2. 5x Lunar Bastion + 5 Alkosh + 2 BS/ Lord warden- it's a fairly good support set for off tanks as they can concentrate more on taking synergies and keeping the Both buff uptime as much as they can while guarding the main tank as well off tanking the adds.
3. 5x Classic Hist Bark + 5x Tava+ 2 BS- a very decent setup for starter tanks with most gear craft able.

Regarding resource sustain, I can not comment as yours is a sorc tank and I've no clue about it but on DK tanks it's all about knowing the different fights and a mix use of skills/ Pots and Ultimates is the basic resources management.

There a a few more set options which can be played around with-
1. Plague Doctor- Look at that health bonus.
2. Mephala Hand- interesting effects.
3. Akaviri Dragon gaurd- not bad for more WH uptime.

so you always had isntances where 2 tanks was needed. and the trial overhaul changed that to no longer needing off tank in so other then last fight.

hrc you only need 1 tank

aa you only need 1 tank

mol you need 2 tanks.

Warrior hardmode -> 2 tanks
Mage hardmode -> 2 tanks

warrior hm need only 1 tank you dont tank the gargoyles you get warrior to destroy them.
mage hm you need only 1 tank (axes) dd's dps down the atronachs.

Or you know, you have an off-tank position the atronarchs on the mage reflections an burst them down in groups, making your bosskill significantly faster and safer.

WuffyCerulei

Currently for my magicka templar I have 2 Grothdarr, 5 Julianos, 2 Torug's swords, Julianos fire staff (working on vMA), and 3 Willpower. However, the 3 Willpower could be replaced with 3 Infallible Aether. Also gonna try 5 Burning Spellweave (to proc off fire staff and Reflective Light), 3 Infallible Aether, 2 Grothdarr, and the Torug's swords.

Kutsuu

Alcast wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

@Nifty2g I will try Burning Spellweave on magplar also.

Ye that Minor Slayer thingy kinda bugs me, but it only affects Jbeam nad Puncturing sweeps I guess? Also if we would get that combo we would have to drop gold jewelry.

@Alcast
I tested Minor Slayer yesterday and it works fine with Puncturing sweeps. From my testings all things with "damage done" (minor slayer, dw-passiv/swords, maybe even minor berserk, full magicka-bonus from radiant) are additive, but multiplikative to damage received (5pc aether (?), puncturing sweeps bonus to nearest target, execute bonus from executes).
So it doesn't effect sweeps directly, but it effects everything you use on your dw-bar bc of its passive.
It also shouldn't effect radiant if you have 0 magicka (bc you get 5% more damage instead of 0%) but it gets dimished when fighting with full magicka (25% instead of 20% = ~4.2% more)

Uface wrote: »

Thinking TBS and Mother's sorrow got to be a win for Templar. Had a day's sword farming - no luck. I assume it is equal random chance at any world boss....but if anyone has got one it would be very interesting to know where it dropped.

The bloody spectral defending one I have had 6 times...

Would be a good setup, but you are focussing too much on crit/critdmg while not having that much spelldmg. Should be a little bit weaker than TBS/aether. But in the end it's extremely close and hard to test

Yeah from what I heard from Asayre and such
5Aether, 5TBS, 2 Grothdarr/Skoria is BiS for Templar

why would that be so? Skoria literally deals half the damage of Grothgarr plus the 1 pieces bonus is useless.
How come 5 Aether? 5 Piece Aether is useless IF a healer is already wearing the set?

All I can say for now is Mothers Sorrow > TBS

Setups I still need to try:
5x TBS, 5x Mother Sorrow, 2x Grotgharr
5x Burning Spellweave (Backbar Destro), 3x Willpower, 5x Mothers Sorrow

@Destruent nice, thanks for the information. So basically Minor slayer is not really a disadvantage at all even for magicka templars I guess.

I wouldn't call it a disadvantage, but it's value gets dimished if you play with DW-mainbar and while beaming. It's nonetheless great if you choose to play with destro-mainbar.
5 Aether is nice, bc you have 2 extra-setboni for your dw-bar instead of just 1 if you use willpower-swords. Even if you don't use full heavy-attacks 5pc aether is stronger than 3pc aether/moondancer + 2 willpower/torugs/whatever.

Is there any maths further proving that mothers sorrow > TBS? i can't find one tbh, would be nice if anyone can show it

Good point.

I usually do not do math, i just test it out. And in most times I have higher numbers with Mothers Sorrow. So I run mothers sorrow.

People always try to tell me this sucks and this sucks because numbers say that and this. Just test it out and see how it performs. (this is not meant against you, had a lot of QQing on my youtube channel and from other ppl xD)

I mean, like 2 or 3 patches ago people tried to tell me 5x TBS 4x Julianos is inferior to 5x TBS 2x Kena 2x Torug. Still had more dps than any of those that thought they had a superior combo.

Hey @Alcast - I have a new Magplar and don't have a ton of money to throw into it. I've already got 3x Soulshine jewelry and 2x gold soulshine 1h swords for pvp. Would I be really letting trials teams down by running 5x Julainos, 2x Groth, 5x Soulshine? I need to start farming infal, moondancer, VO, and such and I'm thinking the magplar might be a little more carefree to do it on than my stam NB running 5x Hundings 5x Viper.

I'm guessing the Healthy Jewelry would be my biggest problem.

idk

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Pvp Mag dk -

for a solo/very small group build 5x burning spell weave, 5x lich, 2x skoria
For a more tanky group s&b build 2x grothdar, 5x Tavas, 5x Spell weave.

Pvp mag nb Desto/resto 2x infernal, 5x necro, 3x willpower, Msa weps + master staff.

Pvp mag nb Dw/resto, 2x infernal, 5x necro, 5x lich or spinners.

Pvp Mag sorc, 2x infernal, 5x spinners, 5x lich.

@leepalmer95

How are any of these set combos BiS? One cannot say something is BiS without backing it with numbers.

Community, the original post should be ignored without adequate info to suport it.

Something can be a fun set and does well. This doesn't make it BiS. The lich set can be fun but it's not exactly BiS for most PvE.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Lukums1 wrote: »

Hello my 2 cents -

SORCERER (Magicka)
PVE
---DPS:

http://alcasthq.com/mystic/
---Tank
---Heal
---Maelstrom -2 Val Skoria monster set (getting buffed ps4) - Already buffed PC, Malestrom Destro sharpen, 5 TBS, 5 Elegant jewellery + Swords - can scuessfully run flawless every time in maelstrom in 50minutes with this gear, the best bit? I don't need or want anything from the new patch which is AWESOME. NOTE: If you have elegant staff sharpen you can also gain the 900 Magicka extra when switching to staff for a bit more OMMPH to your damage.
Obviously to completely disregard the new sets without proper testing is (silly) but I see no grant magicka sets coming not 1.

Most add significant damage to one thing or another... damage to destro skills, damage to shock only...
Quite frankly they need to nerf 20% additional damage on light hits for elegant to make me think about anythingggg else.

Because 4.5k SP is less damage then elegant on 2.4k SP... weird...

@Lukums1

You are close on this. You dont need the elegant staff or a VMA staff. Just wear one elegant armor piece and use a TBS weapon (one sharp staff, one sharp sword) on each bar. Also LLambris>>>Skoria on a sorc these days. Definitely try it if you havent. You end up with a front bar of 5 TBS, 4 Elegant, 2 Llambris, and a back bar of 5 TBS, 5 Elegant, 2 Llambris. The other really nice thing about going this way is you only need to find one sharp elegant DW weapon.

Jewelry: Elegant
Head +Shoulders: LLambris
Chest, Legs, Belt, gloves, Boots: 4 TBS, 1 Elegant
Front Bar: Sharp TBS staff (weapon damage enchant)
Back Bar: 1 Sharp TBS sword, 1 Sharp Elegant sword (these dont have to be swords, any DW will do as long as sharp)

TBS can be replaced with Julianos for probably a touch more speed, but most people will do better with the extra stats of TBS. The other way is to go a VMA staff on your front bar and 2 Elegant weapons on back bar, but this is much harder to get and frankly, I am not sure its any better. You will have bascially the same spelldamage over the course of the fight, and more magic with TBS staff. You will lose the buff to your light attacks from a VMA staff. If you dont have a sharp VMA staff and 2 sharp elegant weapons, its not even a close call.

Lukums1

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

Hello my 2 cents -

SORCERER (Magicka)
PVE
---DPS:

http://alcasthq.com/mystic/
---Tank
---Heal
---Maelstrom -2 Val Skoria monster set (getting buffed ps4) - Already buffed PC, Malestrom Destro sharpen, 5 TBS, 5 Elegant jewellery + Swords - can scuessfully run flawless every time in maelstrom in 50minutes with this gear, the best bit? I don't need or want anything from the new patch which is AWESOME. NOTE: If you have elegant staff sharpen you can also gain the 900 Magicka extra when switching to staff for a bit more OMMPH to your damage.
Obviously to completely disregard the new sets without proper testing is (silly) but I see no grant magicka sets coming not 1.

Most add significant damage to one thing or another... damage to destro skills, damage to shock only...
Quite frankly they need to nerf 20% additional damage on light hits for elegant to make me think about anythingggg else.

Because 4.5k SP is less damage then elegant on 2.4k SP... weird...

@Lukums1

You are close on this. You dont need the elegant staff or a VMA staff. Just wear one elegant armor piece and use a TBS weapon (one sharp staff, one sharp sword) on each bar. Also LLambris>>>Skoria on a sorc these days. Definitely try it if you havent. You end up with a front bar of 5 TBS, 4 Elegant, 2 Llambris, and a back bar of 5 TBS, 5 Elegant, 2 Llambris. The other really nice thing about going this way is you only need to find one sharp elegant DW weapon.

Jewelry: Elegant
Head +Shoulders: LLambris
Chest, Legs, Belt, gloves, Boots: 4 TBS, 1 Elegant
Front Bar: Sharp TBS staff (weapon damage enchant)
Back Bar: 1 Sharp TBS sword, 1 Sharp Elegant sword (these dont have to be swords, any DW will do as long as sharp)

TBS can be replaced with Julianos for probably a touch more speed, but most people will do better with the extra stats of TBS. The other way is to go a VMA staff on your front bar and 2 Elegant weapons on back bar, but this is much harder to get and frankly, I am not sure its any better. You will have bascially the same spelldamage over the course of the fight, and more magic with TBS staff. You will lose the buff to your light attacks from a VMA staff. If you dont have a sharp VMA staff and 2 sharp elegant weapons, its not even a close call.

Haha I know what you mean Bear.

I did try Lambris over Skoria hated it, with a passion (no kidding) I love Skoria procing everywhere at range for some serious BOOM damage. But that's me obviously.

I think TBS and Elegant is still the way to go with smashing your face on overload in VMA.

But these days I'm having more fun with Spellweave + scathing as over all damage using destro ulti.
Mind you Spinner + Elegant for 58-60k overload hits was fun also! (not really viable tho)

Luke

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Lukums1 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

Hello my 2 cents -

SORCERER (Magicka)
PVE
---DPS:

http://alcasthq.com/mystic/
---Tank
---Heal
---Maelstrom -2 Val Skoria monster set (getting buffed ps4) - Already buffed PC, Malestrom Destro sharpen, 5 TBS, 5 Elegant jewellery + Swords - can scuessfully run flawless every time in maelstrom in 50minutes with this gear, the best bit? I don't need or want anything from the new patch which is AWESOME. NOTE: If you have elegant staff sharpen you can also gain the 900 Magicka extra when switching to staff for a bit more OMMPH to your damage.
Obviously to completely disregard the new sets without proper testing is (silly) but I see no grant magicka sets coming not 1.

Most add significant damage to one thing or another... damage to destro skills, damage to shock only...
Quite frankly they need to nerf 20% additional damage on light hits for elegant to make me think about anythingggg else.

Because 4.5k SP is less damage then elegant on 2.4k SP... weird...

@Lukums1

You are close on this. You dont need the elegant staff or a VMA staff. Just wear one elegant armor piece and use a TBS weapon (one sharp staff, one sharp sword) on each bar. Also LLambris>>>Skoria on a sorc these days. Definitely try it if you havent. You end up with a front bar of 5 TBS, 4 Elegant, 2 Llambris, and a back bar of 5 TBS, 5 Elegant, 2 Llambris. The other really nice thing about going this way is you only need to find one sharp elegant DW weapon.

Jewelry: Elegant
Head +Shoulders: LLambris
Chest, Legs, Belt, gloves, Boots: 4 TBS, 1 Elegant
Front Bar: Sharp TBS staff (weapon damage enchant)
Back Bar: 1 Sharp TBS sword, 1 Sharp Elegant sword (these dont have to be swords, any DW will do as long as sharp)

TBS can be replaced with Julianos for probably a touch more speed, but most people will do better with the extra stats of TBS. The other way is to go a VMA staff on your front bar and 2 Elegant weapons on back bar, but this is much harder to get and frankly, I am not sure its any better. You will have bascially the same spelldamage over the course of the fight, and more magic with TBS staff. You will lose the buff to your light attacks from a VMA staff. If you dont have a sharp VMA staff and 2 sharp elegant weapons, its not even a close call.

Haha I know what you mean Bear.

I did try Lambris over Skoria hated it, with a passion (no kidding) I love Skoria procing everywhere at range for some serious BOOM damage. But that's me obviously.

I think TBS and Elegant is still the way to go with smashing your face on overload in VMA.

But these days I'm having more fun with Spellweave + scathing as over all damage using destro ulti.
Mind you Spinner + Elegant for 58-60k overload hits was fun also! (not really viable tho)

Luke

@Lukums1

If it works, then it works. Haha. If you tried Llambris right after patch, give it a go again. They made some changes because it was messing with peoples graphics from what I understood. I think it works much better now. Otherwise, rock that skoria. Skoria is really strong after the buff and it is certainly my favorite in terms of just watching fireballs destroy people. But for pure DPS, llambris is stronger on a mSorc. In VMA, once I see it proc on an enemy, I move on to the next one. I ran Kena in VMA for a long time to buff my overload. I actually found I get better Overload parses with LLambris, and I can overload more often because it doesnt cost as much.

I need to get sets of spriggans and spinners (penetration sets) together. I honestly havent messed with them. I mostly do raids, so they really arent necessary for that, but I still want to do some experiments. In a raid, you are going to be over penetrating, but alone, I think they are really strong. A magic user in 5 light, spinners, sharp weapons, and Major Breach is already over penetrating most bosses, and that is not even taking into account other debuff sets like Alkosh, etc.

Lukums1

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

Hello my 2 cents -

SORCERER (Magicka)
PVE
---DPS:

http://alcasthq.com/mystic/
---Tank
---Heal
---Maelstrom -2 Val Skoria monster set (getting buffed ps4) - Already buffed PC, Malestrom Destro sharpen, 5 TBS, 5 Elegant jewellery + Swords - can scuessfully run flawless every time in maelstrom in 50minutes with this gear, the best bit? I don't need or want anything from the new patch which is AWESOME. NOTE: If you have elegant staff sharpen you can also gain the 900 Magicka extra when switching to staff for a bit more OMMPH to your damage.
Obviously to completely disregard the new sets without proper testing is (silly) but I see no grant magicka sets coming not 1.

Most add significant damage to one thing or another... damage to destro skills, damage to shock only...
Quite frankly they need to nerf 20% additional damage on light hits for elegant to make me think about anythingggg else.

Because 4.5k SP is less damage then elegant on 2.4k SP... weird...

@Lukums1

You are close on this. You dont need the elegant staff or a VMA staff. Just wear one elegant armor piece and use a TBS weapon (one sharp staff, one sharp sword) on each bar. Also LLambris>>>Skoria on a sorc these days. Definitely try it if you havent. You end up with a front bar of 5 TBS, 4 Elegant, 2 Llambris, and a back bar of 5 TBS, 5 Elegant, 2 Llambris. The other really nice thing about going this way is you only need to find one sharp elegant DW weapon.

Jewelry: Elegant
Head +Shoulders: LLambris
Chest, Legs, Belt, gloves, Boots: 4 TBS, 1 Elegant
Front Bar: Sharp TBS staff (weapon damage enchant)
Back Bar: 1 Sharp TBS sword, 1 Sharp Elegant sword (these dont have to be swords, any DW will do as long as sharp)

TBS can be replaced with Julianos for probably a touch more speed, but most people will do better with the extra stats of TBS. The other way is to go a VMA staff on your front bar and 2 Elegant weapons on back bar, but this is much harder to get and frankly, I am not sure its any better. You will have bascially the same spelldamage over the course of the fight, and more magic with TBS staff. You will lose the buff to your light attacks from a VMA staff. If you dont have a sharp VMA staff and 2 sharp elegant weapons, its not even a close call.

Haha I know what you mean Bear.

I did try Lambris over Skoria hated it, with a passion (no kidding) I love Skoria procing everywhere at range for some serious BOOM damage. But that's me obviously.

I think TBS and Elegant is still the way to go with smashing your face on overload in VMA.

But these days I'm having more fun with Spellweave + scathing as over all damage using destro ulti.
Mind you Spinner + Elegant for 58-60k overload hits was fun also! (not really viable tho)

Luke

@Lukums1

If it works, then it works. Haha. If you tried Llambris right after patch, give it a go again. They made some changes because it was messing with peoples graphics from what I understood. I think it works much better now. Otherwise, rock that skoria. Skoria is really strong after the buff and it is certainly my favorite in terms of just watching fireballs destroy people. But for pure DPS, llambris is stronger on a mSorc. In VMA, once I see it proc on an enemy, I move on to the next one. I ran Kena in VMA for a long time to buff my overload. I actually found I get better Overload parses with LLambris, and I can overload more often because it doesnt cost as much.

I need to get sets of spriggans and spinners (penetration sets) together. I honestly havent messed with them. I mostly do raids, so they really arent necessary for that, but I still want to do some experiments. In a raid, you are going to be over penetrating, but alone, I think they are really strong. A magic user in 5 light, spinners, sharp weapons, and Major Breach is already over penetrating most bosses, and that is not even taking into account other debuff sets like Alkosh, etc.

I'll give it a whirl tonight, maybe you can sway me back but I have the same mind set with Skoria and soon as I see it proc I move on.

Spriggans wasn't any good tried it, due to the lack of crit I can't see it being viable. What is viable is Two Fang Snake.

I was surprised as hell, running Two Fang Snake, VO with Maelstrom Weapons (no monster helm) I dunno because I'm on console but It felt like I was hitting like "THE MACK TRUCK" no sigils burning spider boss in 1 go I was shocked as hell.