Treason and Cheating in PvP

ArchMikem

Having already had a dislike for PvP, the community has made it worse for me. Arrive at Chalman keep to help defend, only to see every single Pact player there helping the Blue players seige the keep. A keep that had a Scroll no less. Its crap like this that demands the presence of Game Masters, yet the in-game accountability is so poor that apparently all forms of collusion and cheating can happen. What was it? Cross faction guild aiding and abetting? Friends exchanging gold for the Scroll?

How am i supposed to get any enjoyment out of PvP when im outnumbered by the enemy and my "allies" intentionally turn a blind eye and help the opposing force.

Khairiah

Not sure what you expect with this post? Havent that thing been happening like always? Been similar posts about it, the orange alliance, the green alliance and what not. Its a 3way war, so its expected that 2 alliances help eithother at points.
And the same said alliances doesnt deny it at all.

What would you want a game master to do about it? Say something like this: "Ehm lads, you cannot do that." Or just out right ban them?

ArchMikem

Khairiah wrote: »

Not sure what you expect with this post? Havent that thing been happening like always? Been similar posts about it, the orange alliance, the green alliance and what not. Its a 3way war, so its expected that 2 alliances help eithother at points.
And the same said alliances doesnt deny it at all.

What would you want a game master to do about it? Say something like this: "Ehm lads, you cannot do that." Or just out right ban them?

Warnings, suspensions. Its a violation of the intended competitive gameplay tantamount to cheating.

WolffenBloodseeker

ArchMikem wrote: »

Khairiah wrote: »

Not sure what you expect with this post? Havent that thing been happening like always? Been similar posts about it, the orange alliance, the green alliance and what not. Its a 3way war, so its expected that 2 alliances help eithother at points.
And the same said alliances doesnt deny it at all.

What would you want a game master to do about it? Say something like this: "Ehm lads, you cannot do that." Or just out right ban them?

Warnings, suspensions. Its a violation of the intended competitive gameplay tantamount to cheating.

uhh, no? it's working as intended. It's a 3-way war, when one faction starts to dominate it's only expected the other 2 to team-up for a time to dethrone the big-dog and re-balance the campaign.

Lumbermill_Emperor

its not a violation
i reported topic for pointless and useless

tinythinker

So, you were playing for the Pact, the Pact owned Chalman, but some Pact players were helping Covenant players attacking that keep? Technically the only help Pact players could offer is standing around. You can't do siege damage to building your own Alliance controls.

yodased

ArchMikem wrote: »

Khairiah wrote: »

Not sure what you expect with this post? Havent that thing been happening like always? Been similar posts about it, the orange alliance, the green alliance and what not. Its a 3way war, so its expected that 2 alliances help eithother at points.
And the same said alliances doesnt deny it at all.

What would you want a game master to do about it? Say something like this: "Ehm lads, you cannot do that." Or just out right ban them?

Warnings, suspensions. Its a violation of the intended competitive gameplay tantamount to cheating.

Whos intention? Its a violation of your opinion towards what competative gameplay is, sure, but they have clear as day explained there is nothing wrong here.

Enemy of my enemy is my friend until that enemy is dead.

Pvp is a silly place anyway.

rhapsodious

Chalman is a Pact home keep... we like having our home keeps. As much as DC is convinced that the Chalamo is a DC home keep. :P

A lot of times, alleged "collusion" is an alliance of convenience. Especially when a dethrone is in progress. If AD has emp, DC and EP both don't want them to have it. So is that working together, or is that just a shared goal they happen to have?

Now, it does happen sometimes, it's not unheard of, but a lot of the time it's just confirmation bias or situational.

RavenRoxie

ArchMikem wrote: »

Khairiah wrote: »

Not sure what you expect with this post? Havent that thing been happening like always? Been similar posts about it, the orange alliance, the green alliance and what not. Its a 3way war, so its expected that 2 alliances help eithother at points.
And the same said alliances doesnt deny it at all.

What would you want a game master to do about it? Say something like this: "Ehm lads, you cannot do that." Or just out right ban them?

Warnings, suspensions. Its a violation of the intended competitive gameplay tantamount to cheating.

Uh, no. It sucks, it's annoying, but it's not a violation. The whole, logging in on another faction to basically hand a scroll to the other faction they are 'actually' playing on at the time, now that is dirty and really something should be done to people who continually do that kind of dumb ***.

As for team orange and green. Is what it is. Just like in real life, during Waring times you will sometimes see countries who were originally hating on one another team up against another country of common hateraid. Deal with it, or do pve.

JoffyToffy69

I agree it is very frustrating. It's normally guilds farming emp which really devalued the achievement.
It's simple to work out though if they're not attacking each other, Simply move on is all you can do. Take resources and cause mischief is what I do in those situations.

The worst treasonous act is gankers of different factions. A member of your alliance will run up to you while you're cautiously stealthed, let their Opposing Faction member know and you get molested. And while your dead body lays there you get a lovely teabag to the face from your alliance member.

PvP life can be difficult

Own

How does ep help dc siege?

Serjustin19

To be honest. There is rare instance that I help DC with my AD. After I finally have settled down and not switching on and off between DC and AD. However I hardly aid DC. Unless. If there is few DC pushing and when I am alone in same Campaign.

I always ask if there are any AD in zone chat before I attempt to aid DC. If no response then I help. Only if DC is also small.
Only twice I aid DC when I stayed with AD. However sometimes I do watch DC battle EP. But mostly I don't aid unless if I believe it's necessary.

The only other reason I help DC at times with my AD. Is because in honestly I am blue at heart. Others say same thing. However I grew to love AD when DC was gone in said Campaign. Grew accostume to AD. But DC returned. I keep switching like other posts of mine.

In other words I had to make a hard choice. A choice if I should stay AD or rejoin DC. It was a tough choice. Both choices was very hard for me.

But now I made a choice. I choose to remain AD. Hence why at times I help DC also. As I mentioned above. Yes I have committed treason. I am aware of this and am ashamed. To others whom know me and who have met me. I greatly appologise for my wrong doing.

We all make choices. A choice me might regret. A choice many will disagree. A choice many will not like. But my Choice I will continue to help DC with my AD. But not often. Only when I believe it's necessary. That is only time I will help DC.

Sorry for going on and off topic. But I believe this pertains to this thread also and explain why I am a traitor. I am not hiding anything though. I was also not paid. It was my own choice. Purley my desicion. Hence why I made many posts of this topic. Of me aiding DC.

Jaiden

Life isn't fair, so why would it be in a video game? If you haven't left mom and dad's yet, you're in for a rude awakening when you get out of the house.

Tats

I don't mind this. The worst is when one faction dude jumps on an alt or has a friend grab a scroll and refuses to move with it. That is when a game master should get involved and come drop the guy off a cliff and return the scroll.

ArchMikem

Jaiden wrote: »

Life isn't fair, so why would it be in a video game? If you haven't left mom and dad's yet, you're in for a rude awakening when you get out of the house.

Oh youre just a lovely person arent you sonny boy? Theres that internet anonymity working again. Even still id watch what you say to others.

Bouldercleave

ArchMikem wrote: »

Khairiah wrote: »

Not sure what you expect with this post? Havent that thing been happening like always? Been similar posts about it, the orange alliance, the green alliance and what not. Its a 3way war, so its expected that 2 alliances help eithother at points.
And the same said alliances doesnt deny it at all.

What would you want a game master to do about it? Say something like this: "Ehm lads, you cannot do that." Or just out right ban them?

Warnings, suspensions. Its a violation of the intended competitive gameplay tantamount to cheating.

No it is not a violation. There is no rule, written or otherwise that states you cannot form an alliance within 2 factions to defeat the 3rd.

If I'm wrong, please correct me by copying and pasting the regulation.

JoffyToffy69

Tats wrote: »

I don't mind this. The worst is when one faction dude jumps on an alt or has a friend grab a scroll and refuses to move with it. That is when a game master should get involved and come drop the guy off a cliff and return the scroll.

Now this is truly annoying. Not so bad on pc with zone chat, but on console (prior to text chat) no way to communicate that the scroll moving was actually a trap.
Although I have had fun with this (sometimes) as you can often kill the enemies and troll the jerk with the scroll, wait for his friends to come back and kill them again. Turn their little AP farm against them

KingMagaw

Happens all the time, though since i only play EP i see AD and DC working together a lot. But cyro isnt really controlled by the most skillful faction but the best connected one through the guilds. Emperor or AP farming.

I have a good few videos in IC and Cyro of me fighting DC, only for AD to come along, tag team me and they both walk away together. This isn't contesting keeps, its just a mentality.

Also cant name and shame but i know of a few guilds who encourage fighting as DC for a while, take their keeps, then log onto there AD characters and continue to fight EP. To each their own )


Play for your own enjoyment, forget about winning campaigns unless your willing to do this type of behavior.

Drdeath20

The AD alliance had a scroll all the way up at chalman and didn't expect DC and EP to stop their fighting to go for it?

Are you even serious with this post?

That is precisely when EP and DC should team up.

Drdeath20

I've seen DC pin EP down to Arrius while AD attacks Farragut and kingscrest and EP was in dead last place.

MakoFore

its war- full of treachery backstabbing betrayal- uncertain alliances and mischief.

i think its great. if u think war is somehow inherently "fair" or ordered- then u my friend need to have a look at the history books.

i mean look at world war 2 alone- this game is working exactly as it should in cyrodil. i love the fact that red might betray us at any step or that any alliance is only temporary. thats exactly what war is and should be.

CombatPrayer

So wait, people get on their alts and work to let the keeps be taken in another faction? Damn, that's bloody brilliant and truly devious. I have to say I think that should actually be a thing. To be a spy, plant and disruption within a faction. It's genius and might be the one thing to counter the absurd amount of zergs I've been seeing when I pop on during key times.

I mean, could you imagine it? You are AD but you make an EP toon and you get on and troll around in a group to see what is going on then on TS or whatever chat you use with your guild or friends on the other side you tell them what the plans are and feed misinformation. Get a few people doing this and my god, PVP would be so much more interesting. No longer big zergs running around but people within the zerg working against the zerg. Christ. That would be hysterical and awesome.

RebornV3x

Teaming with enemy factions in this game is lame but people are so bad at this game that they have to team with another faction to get kills/take keeps its just the sadist thing Ive ever seen in gaming it makes me embarrassed to play this game sometimes. 2 factions would have limited this crap and if a teammate is helping the enemy he would be blacklisted and would be trolled into never playing again. Also whom ever thought 3 alliances in PVP was a good thing should never be allowed to work on or even touch a video game ever again.

Bouldercleave

RebornV3x wrote: »

Teaming with enemy factions in this game is lame but people are so bad at this game that they have to team with another faction to get kills/take keeps its just the sadist thing Ive ever seen in gaming it makes me embarrassed to play this game sometimes. 2 factions would have limited this crap and if a teammate is helping the enemy he would be blacklisted and would be trolled into never playing again. Also whom ever thought 3 alliances in PVP was a good thing should never be allowed to work on or even touch a video game ever again.

But how do you REALLY feel?

Egonieser

Fair? No. This isn't a duel or match-made PvP battlegrounds, it's a 3-way war. Espionage, temporary alliances with the enemy and dirty play is all part of a war, both in-game and in real life. As long as no glitches or exploits are abused, or 3rd party tools used - there is no violation done. It indeed sucks to be on the receiving on, yes. We, the EP of TF EU PC get to experience this every single day when masses of AD and DC gang up against us and not against each other, but against overwhelming odds - we manage to hold our ground.

I take it as a compliment even. We are that good that they need to work together to take us down, it's a clear mental victory already, as on their own they would not stand a chance.

All is fair in love and war...

disintegr8

I don't worry any more about what anyone else is doing in Cyrodiil, ultimately I am only there for my benefit; either leveling skill lines, earning AP or just having fun. I will help defend a resource, help attack one, jump in and help any fellow alliance members out if I see them in need but this is still only a game and life is not impacting by what happens in it.

I also have characters in all 3 alliances so I guess that might make me evil but I am not going to waste my time spying when I log into another alliance because IT IS ONLY A GAME.

Infinite12

Let's say AD has emo, and a much higher population than the other two alliances. It's not ok for them to work together to dethrone AD and then fight it out for em? I see nothing wrong with that.

WanderingBeithe

Spying had always played is part in wars.