World Boss dailies & Sponges.

DRXHarbinger

Something that is starting to grate now.

A rule was recently changed that people now need to do only 3% damage to get loot.

That's great, but currently as it still stands you need just 1 hit on a world boss to complete the quest. There is something really infuriating at seeing noob level 3s camped out at the Minotaur and Kvatch arena gates with no intention of doing anything and they just run it at 2% health and land one hit and off they go to get a motif page that I didn't get for doing 99.99% of the work.

This needs reworking also, people cannot get very rare rewards for not even marking a bosses armor, some of them even have the audacity to come and stand in the middle of the fight spamming "lfg pls share quest" MID FIGHT!

@ZOS_Finn please can something be implemented to get rid of these sponges, people have made up 7 new toons to just farm motifs in their soul shrivens and make no effort at all for a "group" based content, for a quest they should have to do substantial damage to get the completion.

Or a work around, when the Minotaur boss starts, have a barrier pop up and lock the Kvatch gates when it starts to keep these sponges out. It will work as I get so many who get killed and have to wayshrine out of the area, it's that bad they have no soul gems.

rotaugen454

Do you not still get the rewards anyway? This would be really low on my list of complaints. If my maxed out character sees a low ranked player jumping in, I'm fine with it as long as I get what I came for.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Wuuutttt ??? Some other people get the same things I get without putting the same effort ??? That's totally unacceptable... !!!!!

(/sarcasm)

DRXHarbinger

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Do you not still get the rewards anyway? This would be really low on my list of complaints. If my maxed out character sees a low ranked player jumping in, I'm fine with it as long as I get what I came for.

No, these drop rates are that bad hence why so many made more toons to farm them, I had some fool post up "crafting motifs Minotaur Helms"

"WTS 50K"

I got...

Oxblood fungus, Prosperous guards of flanking.

Switch toons slug it out again solo, these fools are already in wait for someone to do the work for them...there should be a minimum requirement for something to count as a completion for a quest, otherwise they may as well make all bosses in dungeons have 1 health, people are getting very rare rewards and doing nothing for them.

Carbonised

It's a natural reaction to hiding motif pages behind extremely low RNG numbers.
Says I who only has 1 character and never created any alts for anything, thus had to buy all my motif pages in the shops.

Motif pages are already rediculously overpriced, even if the old Maw farming and other motif farming isn't a playstyle I support or participate in, I still appreciate the abundance it creates and thus the lowered prices.

The real issue here isn't what you're describing, but the extremely low RNG behind motif droppings, as well as hiding motifs behind daily quest walls, something I don't agree with at all.

And regardless, them getting free rewards is no skin off your back anyway. It's not like you're gonna lose out even if someone else barely contributes. I've run plenty of PUG groups for DLC world bosses, vet dungeons and normal trials, and there are always a few who contribute very little to the overall performance. It's just PUG life.

anitajoneb17_ESO

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Do you not still get the rewards anyway? This would be really low on my list of complaints. If my maxed out character sees a low ranked player jumping in, I'm fine with it as long as I get what I came for.

No, these drop rates are that bad hence why so many made more toons to farm them, I had some fool post up "crafting motifs Minotaur Helms"

They get the exact same chance as you get for a motif page. Them "participating less" doesn't take away anything from you.

rotaugen454

If anything, shouldn't more people getting the motifs drive down the prices if you give up and buy them?

KingMagaw

Problem i am having is that the more players engaging certain bosses the more ads or aoe circles they spawn.


So having a lvl10 gimp coming in to repeatedly die and create more ads for me to handle is getting annoying. Loads of leeching scumbags around now its a disgrace. Its like IC boss farming all over again

jakeedmundson

The problem was (and probably part of why they changed it) healers and tanks grouped for molag bal would help people for most of the fight and not get a drop because they can't get 10% of the damage in before the 20 dps killed him.

Also.... CP farming in the group dungeons, like old orsinium, was VERY frustrating to get caught with a group of 5 other people all farming CP... you go into a group, drop 1 aoe and get a hit on something else... then you get 1/5 of the xp because you didn't do 10% damage to everything with that aoe you dropped.

this is a great change... leeches/sponges be damned... let them leech, its not hurting you.

DRXHarbinger

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Do you not still get the rewards anyway? This would be really low on my list of complaints. If my maxed out character sees a low ranked player jumping in, I'm fine with it as long as I get what I came for.

No, these drop rates are that bad hence why so many made more toons to farm them, I had some fool post up "crafting motifs Minotaur Helms"

They get the exact same chance as you get for a motif page. Them "participating less" doesn't take away anything from you.

Why should the get anything at all? I got out of my way and deal 2.399M damage, waste my potions, repair my armor, charge my weapons and they deal 1 damage and get the same rewards with no effort or cost attached which gets banked and given to their main toon?

rotaugen454 wrote: »

If anything, shouldn't more people getting the motifs drive down the prices if you give up and buy them?

No, I have no interest in buying them, what is it, 21 motif pages a style? even if they drop 50% which is very unlikely it would still cost 300K for me to buy all armor pieces, since day one of SOTH patch I have run these on 8 maxed out alts almost daily now and only have all the weapons and NO armor (on Minotaur). Yet others fill their collections or make 60K+ a pop for just getting one shot by the bosses... is that at all fair?

Anyone that thinks this is right needs to drop the 12th man from their trials team and carry a noob through vet AA hard mode, you all get the same reward in the end, effort matters not... it doesn't take anything away from you.

DRXHarbinger

KingMagaw wrote: »

Problem i am having is that the more players engaging certain bosses the more ads or aoe circles they spawn.


So having a lvl10 gimp coming in to repeatedly die and create more ads for me to handle is getting annoying. Loads of leeching scumbags around now its a disgrace. Its like IC boss farming all over again

Yes that's true, one of them I put a message out "leave the archer alive, it stops more adds spawning in" nope he crit rushes in and hacks away, kills it, Boss squashes him into the ground, way shrines out because no soul gems and oh look another wave of adds to deal with, 1% health left, oh look who's back to reap the rewards.

jakeedmundson

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Do you not still get the rewards anyway? This would be really low on my list of complaints. If my maxed out character sees a low ranked player jumping in, I'm fine with it as long as I get what I came for.

No, these drop rates are that bad hence why so many made more toons to farm them, I had some fool post up "crafting motifs Minotaur Helms"

They get the exact same chance as you get for a motif page. Them "participating less" doesn't take away anything from you.

Why should the get anything at all? I got out of my way and deal 2.399M damage, waste my potions, repair my armor, charge my weapons and they deal 1 damage and get the same rewards with no effort or cost attached which gets banked and given to their main toon?

rotaugen454 wrote: »

If anything, shouldn't more people getting the motifs drive down the prices if you give up and buy them?

No, I have no interest in buying them, what is it, 21 motif pages a style? even if they drop 50% which is very unlikely it would still cost 300K for me to buy all armor pieces, since day one of SOTH patch I have run these on 8 maxed out alts almost daily now and only have all the weapons and NO armor (on Minotaur). Yet others fill their collections or make 60K+ a pop for just getting one shot by the bosses... is that at all fair?

Anyone that thinks this is right needs to drop the 12th man from their trials team and carry a noob through vet AA hard mode, you all get the same reward in the end, effort matters not... it doesn't take anything away from you.

um... vet AA is slightly different than some world boss. You choose your trial group... not your random world boss pals in a zone.

EDIT:.... just completely confused at why things like this make people mad. Then you compare apples to oranges to try and make a point that doesn't exist?
It really DOESN'T affect you that these people leech. Like there isn't anyone else farming those bosses with you? especially after this update... every zone has to be packed with people farming.

GreenhaloX

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

There is something really infuriating at seeing noob level 3s camped out at the Minotaur and Kvatch arena gates with no intention of doing anything and they just run it at 2% health and land one hit and off they go to get a motif page that I didn't get for doing 99.99% of the work.

If they know enough to do that, they are not noobs.They're probably veteran players who made a new toon. Although, it isn't teamwork, I don't blame those with such low levels. They will pretty much get one-shotted all the time. Also, I run in plenty of times and catches when those bosses are about 700k health and lower, and I get into the fight and then not getting any loot option on the dead boss at the end. Also, particularly at the arena, sometime, that Penthius boss doesn't even come out. Not sure if that has been fixed.

anitajoneb17_ESO

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Why should the get anything at all? I got out of my way and deal 2.399M damage, waste my potions, repair my armor, charge my weapons and they deal 1 damage and get the same rewards with no effort or cost attached which gets banked and given to their main toon?

Why do they get it ? Because it's coded that way.
The real question is : why shouldn't they get it, since it doesn't take anything from you ? That is so incredibly selfish ! Whu do you even care ?
I do Mino and Arena everyday, I always group whoever asks for it in chat, and I don't give a damn if people participate or not in killing the boss. There's always plenty of us anyway. Someday you'll be the one who's late on the boss and be happy that you get the quest registered even if you arrived for just one light attack.

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

No, I have no interest in buying them, what is it, 21 motif pages a style? even if they drop 50% which is very unlikely it would still cost 300K for me to buy all armor pieces, since day one of SOTH patch I have run these on 8 maxed out alts almost daily now and only have all the weapons and NO armor (on Minotaur). Yet others fill their collections or make 60K+ a pop for just getting one shot by the bosses... is that at all fair?

Anyone that thinks this is right needs to drop the 12th man from their trials team and carry a noob through vet AA hard mode, you all get the same reward in the end, effort matters not... it doesn't take anything away from you.

We all did carry a weak guildie through trials. As you say, it doesn't take anything from us.
A motif has 14 pages. Get your facts together.
Motifs prices drop all the time, as more and more people get the complete motif together and less and less buyers need them.
Besides, the RNG for those motifs isn't that bad. Just because you've been unlucky is no reason to rant over weaker players.

mtwiggz

This is One Tamriel. A place where everyone is created equal. This lovely environment where you have to fight side by side with creatures of other factions you're at war with. A crowded world that makes doing anything that much more difficult. One with bountiful amounts of latency issues and performance issues.

We welcome you. Enjoy your stay. Pretty soon you won't have to sleep on the streets anymore either! You'll be able to build a home right next to the war torn enemies of your rival factions, as if this on going struggle doesn't actually exist!

KaleidoscopeEyz

Worry more about yourself and less about others. I really don't see how this has any impact on you. It just seems like you're being selfish and elitist by not wanting other players to get things.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

The only time it bothers me is when we are doing folly with just 1-3 people. And then the jerk hat hiding in the hallway pops in and shoots the boss. The boss decides at that moment to run into the hallway after him resetting the boss.

Had this happen twice the other night. Can be a real pain when doing it with just a few people because it takes a bit of time.

KingMagaw

Also for the people saying it takes nothing away from you, you are simply incorrect. Like the many reasons stated above having these leeching gimps around you can:


Spawn more ads and/or aoe's which means boss takes longer to kill and thus leeching into my playtime.


Reset the boss when the leeching scumbag runs away and boss follows.


I do object to randoms who input little to nothing into something and waste my time. Damage should be upp'ed again to 8% of total health to try and combat this brain dead no skill leeching behavior. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Bouldercleave

mtwiggz wrote: »

This is One Tamriel. A place where everyone is created equal. This lovely environment where you have to fight side by side with creatures of other factions you're at war with. A crowded world that makes doing anything that much more difficult. One with bountiful amounts of latency issues and performance issues.

We welcome you. Enjoy your stay. Pretty soon you won't have to sleep on the streets anymore either! You'll be able to build a home right next to the war torn enemies of your rival factions, as if this on going struggle doesn't actually exist!

You sound a bit bitter...

Number_51

I actually kinda like when there are a bunch of lower level people around. I'd prefer they contribute in some way, but my latest challenge (to myself) is, as a healer, and without breath of life, to try to keep everyone alive.

On topic, it doesn't affect my drop chance. And the more motifs that get out there in the world, the cheaper they will be if/when I decide I'm done with this content and buy what I'm missing.

FriedEggSandwich

I gotta agree with the majority of people here and say who cares? I'm farming malabag tor dolmens right now for a purple spinners necklace. I'm perfectly capable of soloing the dolmens and do most of the time, but I'm glad that I can just turn up late to one tag the final boss and still get access to the chest. The overriding emotion from the op seems to be indignant jealousy and that isn't very commendable.