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Prosperous and Training drops on Monster helms, why do they still exist?
ks888
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Dear Zos,
Explain plz.
Sincerely,
Everyone
Edited by ks888 on October 7, 2016 5:02AM Explain plz.
Sincerely,
Everyone
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✭1) "we listen to players feedback"
2)"we listen to players feedback and do as they request"
there is a very slight tiny line of difference, one is on paper, other in realityPC EU0 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
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4) We have no confidence in our own content so we are making grinding for traits the pinnacle of endgame activity because some marketing major that partied through college instead of getting a real degree said that high loss RNG is critical to player retention.8 -
SlayerTheDragon✭✭✭✭✭The fact that those two traits are so prevalent. They are without doubt programmed that way.
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well, getting desired helm in 1-2 runs will kill contents replay value.
Probably they will will never remove..0 -
nine9six✭✭✭✭✭
✭One day they'll figure out you have fun once you get the item and can use it...not chasing something forever.
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✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
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4) We have no confidence in our own content so we are making grinding for traits the pinnacle of endgame activity because some marketing major that partied through college instead of getting a real degree said that high loss RNG is critical to player retention.
5) We love trolling our players by giving them Prosperous and Training traits gear on main story ending activities.0 -
zerosingularity✭✭✭✭I am quite displeased with the obvious Prosperous and Training drop rates. It is nice that we get a shoulder or helm EVERY time, but these 2 traits should not be the most common ones to drop, they should be more balanced. It's even like this for normal dungeon gear, the drop rates of these 2 BAD traits needs to be brought in line with the other traits.
Removal is obviously preferred, but I doubt that will happen
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Sounomi✭✭✭The traits exist on them to balance out the 100% drop rate they have now. So what if you didn't get the right trait you wanted the first time? At least you have that piece and its good enough til you can get one with the trait you want.0 -
Humphie✭✭✭✭✭The traits exist on them to balance out the 100% drop rate they have now. So what if you didn't get the right trait you wanted the first time? At least you have that piece and its good enough til you can get one with the trait you want.
Facepalm...you do know that there is highly competetive players out there that won't use those crap over their dead bodies?!
Those traits have to go. Useless on endgame gear. Period.
I won't use any monsterset with these 2 traits. Can't go to Cyrodiil with a Training trait.2 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭I like ESO but this is one of the most stupid things ever happening in a videogame. I destroyed 37 kragh prosperous helms,17 training and got 4 impenetrables and 1 divine.
That is not funny.0 -
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Lol that is one of my favorite videos
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AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The traits exist on them to balance out the 100% drop rate they have now. So what if you didn't get the right trait you wanted the first time? At least you have that piece and its good enough til you can get one with the trait you want.
Facepalm...you do know that there is highly competetive players out there that won't use those crap over their dead bodies?!
Those traits have to go. Useless on endgame gear. Period.
I won't use any monsterset with these 2 traits. Can't go to Cyrodiil with a Training trait.
I understand that. But people wanted a 100% drop rate. If they remove prosperous and training from the loot table, then they will have to remove the 100% drop rate.
Pick your poison.The Moot Councillor0 -
Soundwave✭✭✭Deal with it, getting what u want all time isn't going to ever happen. The system is design to rinse and repeat.0 -
Transairion✭✭✭✭✭Facepalm...you do know that there is highly competetive players out there that won't use those crap over their dead bodies?!
Those traits have to go. Useless on endgame gear. Period.
I won't use any monsterset with these 2 traits. Can't go to Cyrodiil with a Training trait.
Most highly competitive players won't use ANY trait other than Divines/Infused/Impen to begin with. That's 6 other traits considered trash-tier, nobodies going to use a Reinforced Molag Kena either unless they don't have anything better.
A lot of the traits just aren't good when compared to those three, and Impen is only good for PvP.Edited by Transairion on October 7, 2016 2:52PM0 -
omfgitsbatman✭✭✭✭The traits exist on them to balance out the 100% drop rate they have now. So what if you didn't get the right trait you wanted the first time? At least you have that piece and its good enough til you can get one with the trait you want.
Facepalm...you do know that there is highly competetive players out there that won't use those crap over their dead bodies?!
Those traits have to go. Useless on endgame gear. Period.
I won't use any monsterset with these 2 traits. Can't go to Cyrodiil with a Training trait.
I understand that. But people wanted a 100% drop rate. If they remove prosperous and training from the loot table, then they will have to remove the 100% drop rate.
Pick your poison.
Do they though? That still gives you a fair number of traits still, without 2 that are 100% useless on end-game gear. All the other ones have some useHe's the healer Tamriel deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hurt his tank. Because he can heal them to full. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful rejuvinator. A Cloaked Healer.
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Why? Do they have to make it this frustrating to get good gear? I mean, I understand if they want to gate content and want us to work for it, but painful weighted RNG is not the way to go about that. It doesn't make us want it more, it doesn't make it more fun to try to find it, it just makes it frustrating.I understand that. But people wanted a 100% drop rate. If they remove prosperous and training from the loot table, then they will have to remove the 100% drop rate.
Pick your poison.Edited by EldritchPenguin on October 7, 2016 2:42PMLilelle Adlis - Dark Elf Dragonknight
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omfgitsbatman✭✭✭✭Transairion wrote: »Facepalm...you do know that there is highly competetive players out there that won't use those crap over their dead bodies?!
Those traits have to go. Useless on endgame gear. Period.
I won't use any monsterset with these 2 traits. Can't go to Cyrodiil with a Training trait.
Most highly competitive players won't use ANY trait other than Divines/Infused/Impen to begin with. That's 6 other traits considered trash-tier, nobodies going to use a Reinforced Molag Kena either unless they don't have anything better.
A lot of the traits just aren't good when compared to those three, and Impen is only good for PvP.
Not true. I am a highly competitive player (both in PvE and PvP). I use reinforced and sturdy as well (conserves your stam, so you don't die in PvP). Sometimes a well-fitted piece in a magicka build as well, so that i can dodge more than once. Stacking 1 trait for anything that isn't PvE dps doesn't pay off. Not all people have realized it though.Edited by omfgitsbatman on October 7, 2016 2:47PMHe's the healer Tamriel deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hurt his tank. Because he can heal them to full. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful rejuvinator. A Cloaked Healer.
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✭✭✭The traits exist on them to balance out the 100% drop rate they have now. So what if you didn't get the right trait you wanted the first time? At least you have that piece and its good enough til you can get one with the trait you want.
Facepalm...you do know that there is highly competetive players out there that won't use those crap over their dead bodies?!
Those traits have to go. Useless on endgame gear. Period.
I won't use any monsterset with these 2 traits. Can't go to Cyrodiil with a Training trait.
I understand that. But people wanted a 100% drop rate. If they remove prosperous and training from the loot table, then they will have to remove the 100% drop rate.
Pick your poison.
Not really. Now that there are so many new sets to grind for, once you get a certain set completed in desired traits you start a new grind for other sets you may want.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA2 -
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✭✭✭✭At least they added impenetrable. Got a Lord Warden heavy head and shoulder last night, both impenetrable. I'm content with that. For me everything that ain't impenetrable, divines or infused (major piece, heavy) is just a source of purple tempers Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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ks888✭✭✭✭Totally fine, as a PvP player, with Reinforced and Sturdy drops, because they are useful with certain builds and in PvE. Prosperous and Training - useless as endgame traits. Period.DC NA - Norri - Khole RIP - [Mostly Outnumbered]** I have too many toons **RIP every alt I deleted - where am I? what year is it?0
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✭✭✭✭✭Totally fine, as a PvP player, with Reinforced and Sturdy drops, because they are useful with certain builds and in PvE. Prosperous and Training - useless as endgame traits. Period.
This. The seven other traits are at least useful for something. I have farmed dungeons specifically for sturdy. Sturdy is a great example where ZOS took a trash trait and made it useful. And by useful, i mean useful in COMBAT. No endgame raider/PvPer is going to want a trait that does NOTHING for combat. That's why prosperous and training are insulting.
They feel like ZOS intentionally wants us to burn a large percentage of the shoulders we get and slow down the rate people acquire loot.
If they actually weight the RNG then that behavior is despicable.0 -
CultOfMMO✭✭✭seems like im not even getting screwed over by traits, but armor type.
I've done about 40 runs of vet fungal 1, i swear to god i get 5 heavy and 5 light per 1 med i get.
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✭✭✭✭✭Guess they kept it in since you get helm drop 100%, because if you get one of those 2 traits youre gonna decon it, so its like your chance to not get a drop.
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✭✭✭✭✭seems like im not even getting screwed over by traits, but armor type.
I've done about 40 runs of vet fungal 1, i swear to god i get 5 heavy and 5 light per 1 med i get.
Also, only ONE PERSON, ONE, NUMERO UNO, got a med divine helm, thats 4*40=160.
Guys, they know what we want and they skew the loot table. I did not do 40 runs, but I did a bunch. I now have light and heavy divines for the Kra'gh set. In all the runs, our group saw one medium helm. It was well-fitted.
Its a stam DPS set, they know everyone wants Medium Divines, so its buried in the loot table. I do not for one second believe the a Medium Divines helm in this dungeon has the same drop rate as any other possible trait combo. The devs may seem incompetent to us, but they are not stupid. They know what we want and bury it behind ridiculous layers of RNG to keep us playing.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on October 7, 2016 5:08PM1 -
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✭Prosperous and Training should not drop on any 160+ gear periodXbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
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alpehans✭✭Prosperous is such a bad trait it makes no difference, maybe if they buffed it x3 or more.
At least training "can" be usefull. But as others have pointed out. Traits that have no effect on combat is just a no go in endgame content.1
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