I Underestimated The Destro Ult

jrgray93

It's true this ultimate is less damage per-cast and per-cost than existing options like meteor. It's true that meteor is a better boss DPS and perhaps PVP ultimate. Having tested this new ultimate on my live character, I can say for sure that there is more to the picture than base damage.

Strengths of this ultimate:

1) It's easier to aim. Less skilled players will have a better time hitting numerous targets with this than meteor. You're also not going to have to deal with shifty enemies moving out of it or spreading out before the initial impact. The radius is MUCH better than meteor. It will hit more targets.

2) Hitting more targets means potentially better DPS for trash pulls, which means faster runs.

3) Destro passives make it potentially a huge sustain boost if you hit a group of enemies that are already softened up. If it kills just 3 enemies, that's over 10k magicka returned.

4) The morph that keeps the storm over you will likely be a better PVP option against skilled players than easily-blocked meteors when paired with a gap closer.

5) This ultimate single-handedly boosted my VMA score from ~550k maximum to a potential 560-565k on a perfect run. I died once on my last run post-update, at the end of a particularly long wave, killing 3-4 minutes and lowering me to 14/15.

I can say without a doubt I will be using this a lot more. It just shredded everything so quickly in VMA. For the first time in my 50+ VMA runs, I managed to get the final boss to his cloud phase before he even teleported from the center or summoned the daedroth.

Give it a shot before you knock it for the math not adding up to what you'd want.

SanderBuraas

Not to mention the look and aesthetic of the ultimate.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Does it charge faster than meteor?

dsalter

overall it does less damage compaired to meteor.

if they just either remove the charge up time, lower the cost or make the status effect morph part of the core skill and make the other morph wider/no charge up. would be worth slotting over meteor.

Minno

For PVE: the Magicka recovery on kill is the highlight.
For PVP: the status effect is more important.

Asmael

This is an incredibly strong ultimate, and the ultimate return on Meteor isn't always relevant, as you don't cast your ultimates on cooldown.

It can absolutely shred an entire trash pack even in vMoL, plus you can absolutely slot it on your back bar and still have Meteor on the front bar, depending on the situation.

ElBiggus

On paper it seems a bit crummy, but in practice it definitely punches above its weight; there are few things sadder than throwing Meteor and then watching as it merrily lays waste to empty space because the enemy used the cunning tactic of, er, moving. I generally find that it's being swamped by numbers that gives me problems -- single boss enemies can, in desperation, always be dealt with in a war of attrition -- and for those times, being able to keep mobile and chase the pack is a lifesaver as you can thin the herd pretty quickly.

(Also, who's not secretly wanted to be Emperor Palpatine?)

SanderBuraas

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Does it charge faster than meteor?

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Source

Yes, considering how it has a lower cost.

EDIT: Might be a typo on the website. I have not checked in-game.

DPShiro

Smepic wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Does it charge faster than meteor?

Yes, considering how it has a lower cost.

Wait what!? Did they ninja lower the cost?!
This might finally be worth using over Meteor now!

Vorcil

THEY REDUCED THE COST???

ZOS

YOU LITTLE BEAAAUTY

smacx250

Is this for real???!!!

Edit: My guess it's a mistake on the part of the website

Rainingblood

Smepic wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Does it charge faster than meteor?

Yes, considering how it has a lower cost.

Is that an error, or does it actually lower when morphed? The TT doesn't say anything about lowering the cost either...

acw37162

A very vocal minority crapped all over it.

Inside of the next two weeks most of them will be using the ultimate and you won't see a single retraction.

Same will be said of all the stamina bashing buff magic types, magica is going to be much more popular this patch and stamina will be clouded from several raid once people catch on.

Vaoh

acw37162 wrote: »

A very vocal minority crapped all over it.

Inside of the next two weeks most of them will be using the ultimate and you won't see a single retraction.

Same will be said of all the stamina bashing buff magic types, magica is going to be much more popular this patch and stamina will be clouded from several raid once people catch on.

Ha. Hah ha.... funny. Just like last patch, right? XD

Saying that the Destruction Staff Ult isn't as bad as it was made out to be is fair. But saying the same for the Stamina/Magicka balance in PvP? That's a farcry from the truth. It's likely worse this patch with the new powerful Stam sets, along with the buffed Velidreth and Viper's Sting.

psychotic13

Ok so does this actually cost 150 ult now?

Vaoh

psychotic13 wrote: »

Ok so does this actually cost 150 ult now?

Nope. It has a 250Ult base cost. That's a typo

150Ult would actually be too strong imo. I'd say it'd be best in the middle at 200Ult.

psychotic13

Vaoh wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

A very vocal minority crapped all over it.

Inside of the next two weeks most of them will be using the ultimate and you won't see a single retraction.

Same will be said of all the stamina bashing buff magic types, magica is going to be much more popular this patch and stamina will be clouded from several raid once people catch on.

Ha. Hah ha.... funny. Just like last patch, right? XD

Saying that the Destruction Staff Ult isn't as bad as it was made out to be is fair. But saying the same for the Stamina/Magicka balance in PvP? That's a farcry from the truth. It's likely worse this patch with the new powerful Stam sets, along with the buffed Velidreth and Viper's Sting.

Hah check the poisonous serpent set out its ridiculous, 25% proc chance, 6800 damage and a 1 second cooldown..

Vaoh

psychotic13 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

A very vocal minority crapped all over it.

Inside of the next two weeks most of them will be using the ultimate and you won't see a single retraction.

Same will be said of all the stamina bashing buff magic types, magica is going to be much more popular this patch and stamina will be clouded from several raid once people catch on.

Ha. Hah ha.... funny. Just like last patch, right? XD

Saying that the Destruction Staff Ult isn't as bad as it was made out to be is fair. But saying the same for the Stamina/Magicka balance in PvP? That's a farcry from the truth. It's likely worse this patch with the new powerful Stam sets, along with the buffed Velidreth and Viper's Sting.

Hah check the poisonous serpent set out its ridiculous, 25% proc chance, 6800 damage and a 1 second cooldown..

I know

And it's as simple as weaving in Heavy Attacks with Dual Wield between every attack or so for those 50% proc chances.

So freaking strong. Omg.

Where's the Magicka variants of those sets???

Oh yeah I forget, were in the #StaminaMeta -_-

Draxys

acw37162 wrote: »

A very vocal minority crapped all over it.

Inside of the next two weeks most of them will be using the ultimate and you won't see a single retraction.

Same will be said of all the stamina bashing buff magic types, magica is going to be much more popular this patch and stamina will be clouded from several raid once people catch on.

Magicka is going to be more popular? Lol

Xsorus

It was good before the changes; people are just idiots who don't grasp how the game works

Dracane

Rainingblood wrote: »

Smepic wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Does it charge faster than meteor?

Yes, considering how it has a lower cost.

Is that an error, or does it actually lower when morphed? The TT doesn't say anything about lowering the cost either...

It is a typo. The cost remains at 250, making this ultimate unusable for serious gameplay.

Night_Wolf2112

Combing Hurricane and Eye Of The Storm is going to be a freaking nightmare in PvP

Vaoh

Night_Wolf2112 wrote: »

Combing Hurricane and Eye Of The Storm is going to be a freaking nightmare in PvP

No, it won't. But Hurricane+any Stam Ult will.

Hurricane = Stamina
Elemental Storm = Magicka

It's not something you want to run. You're either slotting a Destro Staff on a Stam Sorc, or Hurricane on a Magicka Sorc.

Not a good idea unless you're a Hybrid (also a bad idea).

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

On live elemental storm is 250 ult

susmitds

Vaoh wrote: »

Night_Wolf2112 wrote: »

Combing Hurricane and Eye Of The Storm is going to be a freaking nightmare in PvP

No, it won't. But Hurricane+any Stam Ult will.

Hurricane = Stamina
Elemental Storm = Magicka

It's not something you want to run. You're either slotting a Destro Staff on a Stam Sorc, or Hurricane on a Magicka Sorc.

Not a good idea unless you're a Hybrid (also a bad idea).

You can run Destro stuff as a buff bar on any stamina build.

ParaNostram

psychotic13 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

A very vocal minority crapped all over it.

Inside of the next two weeks most of them will be using the ultimate and you won't see a single retraction.

Same will be said of all the stamina bashing buff magic types, magica is going to be much more popular this patch and stamina will be clouded from several raid once people catch on.

Ha. Hah ha.... funny. Just like last patch, right? XD

Saying that the Destruction Staff Ult isn't as bad as it was made out to be is fair. But saying the same for the Stamina/Magicka balance in PvP? That's a farcry from the truth. It's likely worse this patch with the new powerful Stam sets, along with the buffed Velidreth and Viper's Sting.

Hah check the poisonous serpent set out its ridiculous, 25% proc chance, 6800 damage and a 1 second cooldown..

Blegh... It makes me feel gross seeing that sort of stuff

Omgwtfbbq321

susmitds wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Night_Wolf2112 wrote: »

Combing Hurricane and Eye Of The Storm is going to be a freaking nightmare in PvP

No, it won't. But Hurricane+any Stam Ult will.

Hurricane = Stamina
Elemental Storm = Magicka

It's not something you want to run. You're either slotting a Destro Staff on a Stam Sorc, or Hurricane on a Magicka Sorc.

Not a good idea unless you're a Hybrid (also a bad idea).

You can run Destro stuff as a buff bar on any stamina build.

You can, but why would you. The damage scales with the wrong CP.