No appearance changing for items - ZOS has spoken

Carbonised

For those who missed it from the Reddit AMA, here's @ZOS_MattFiror:

"Now, to your question: this is something we have talked about, but it is more complex than you otherwise might imagine - item transmogrication can work in a limited fashion pretty easily (like the ability to change everything to Imperial Style if you own the Imperial Edition), but not something we are currently considering on a mass scale."

Quite honestly this is such a bunch of bull. There have been a huge amount of threads on these forums asking for item changing, and the poll that was made had 95% in favor of style changing last time I checked.

Either ZOS couldn't care less about this, or they are simply waiting to add 'appearance changing tokens' to their already horrible Crown Crates.
And for your information, @ZOS_MattFiror , you cannot change 'everything' into Imperial style, since it does not work for any dropped sets nor monster masks, making it a completely useless feature.

Anywho, there's our answer. And I for one am not gonna bother re-subbing or spending a dime more in this crappy game until they decide to implement style changing, so I can at least bear looking at my own character.

Darkonflare15

Carbonised wrote: »

For those who missed it from the Reddit AMA, here's @ZOS_MattFiror:

"Now, to your question: this is something we have talked about, but it is more complex than you otherwise might imagine - item transmogrication can work in a limited fashion pretty easily (like the ability to change everything to Imperial Style if you own the Imperial Edition), but not something we are currently considering on a mass scale."

Quite honestly this is such a bunch of bull. There have been a huge amount of threads on these forums asking for item changing, and the poll that was made had 95% in favor of style changing last time I checked.

Either ZOS couldn't care less about this, or they are simply waiting to add 'appearance changing tokens' to their already horrible Crown Crates.
And for your information, @ZOS_MattFiror , you cannot change 'everything' into Imperial style, since it does not work for any dropped sets nor monster masks, making it a completely useless feature.

Anywho, there's our answer. And I for one am not gonner bother re-subbing or spending a dime more in this crappy game until they decide to implement style changing, so I can at least bear looking at my own character.

Umm. You know they announce this back in pax west. I think the problem with questionnaire is people keeps asking the same questions, when they have been answer before. This is not new information.

Carbonised

I didn't hear anything about appearance changing back in their presentation. And I watched the videos I could find.

Cryptical

Carbonised wrote: »

For those who missed it from the Reddit AMA, here's @ZOS_MattFiror:

"Now, to your question: this is something we have talked about, but it is more complex than you otherwise might imagine - item transmogrication can work in a limited fashion pretty easily (like the ability to change everything to Imperial Style if you own the Imperial Edition), but not something we are currently considering on a mass scale."

Quite honestly this is such a bunch of bull. There have been a huge amount of threads on these forums asking for item changing, and the poll that was made had 95% in favor of style changing last time I checked.

Either ZOS couldn't care less about this, or they are simply waiting to add 'appearance changing tokens' to their already horrible Crown Crates.
And for your information, @ZOS_MattFiror , you cannot change 'everything' into Imperial style, since it does not work for any dropped sets nor monster masks, making it a completely useless feature.

Anywho, there's our answer. And I for one am not gonner bother re-subbing or spending a dime more in this crappy game until they decide to implement style changing, so I can at least bear looking at my own character.

Put on a costume. Or a polymorph.

Bad_Company

Cryptical wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

For those who missed it from the Reddit AMA, here's @ZOS_MattFiror:

"Now, to your question: this is something we have talked about, but it is more complex than you otherwise might imagine - item transmogrication can work in a limited fashion pretty easily (like the ability to change everything to Imperial Style if you own the Imperial Edition), but not something we are currently considering on a mass scale."

Quite honestly this is such a bunch of bull. There have been a huge amount of threads on these forums asking for item changing, and the poll that was made had 95% in favor of style changing last time I checked.

Either ZOS couldn't care less about this, or they are simply waiting to add 'appearance changing tokens' to their already horrible Crown Crates.
And for your information, @ZOS_MattFiror , you cannot change 'everything' into Imperial style, since it does not work for any dropped sets nor monster masks, making it a completely useless feature.

Anywho, there's our answer. And I for one am not gonner bother re-subbing or spending a dime more in this crappy game until they decide to implement style changing, so I can at least bear looking at my own character.

Put on a costume. Or a polymorph.

That's not the point, IMHO. The OP wanted this feature (as I do) because you can craft something and upgrade it to legendary, then a new motif that you like better shows up, and you have to either re-craft and re-upgrade everything or just know you won't be able to use it.

altemriel

Carbonised wrote: »

For those who missed it from the Reddit AMA, here's @ZOS_MattFiror:

"Now, to your question: this is something we have talked about, but it is more complex than you otherwise might imagine - item transmogrication can work in a limited fashion pretty easily (like the ability to change everything to Imperial Style if you own the Imperial Edition), but not something we are currently considering on a mass scale."

Quite honestly this is such a bunch of bull. There have been a huge amount of threads on these forums asking for item changing, and the poll that was made had 95% in favor of style changing last time I checked.

Either ZOS couldn't care less about this, or they are simply waiting to add 'appearance changing tokens' to their already horrible Crown Crates.
And for your information, @ZOS_MattFiror , you cannot change 'everything' into Imperial style, since it does not work for any dropped sets nor monster masks, making it a completely useless feature.

Anywho, there's our answer. And I for one am not gonner bother re-subbing or spending a dime more in this crappy game until they decide to implement style changing, so I can at least bear looking at my own character.

I do not get it what might be that big problem there with mass scale implementation. I am not a programmer, but I can imagine, that the only thing that transmog of lets say dunmer item to xivkyn would need is to change one thing in a database for that item (motif code) - done.

So what is the problem there?

Carbonised

altemriel wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

For those who missed it from the Reddit AMA, here's @ZOS_MattFiror:

"Now, to your question: this is something we have talked about, but it is more complex than you otherwise might imagine - item transmogrication can work in a limited fashion pretty easily (like the ability to change everything to Imperial Style if you own the Imperial Edition), but not something we are currently considering on a mass scale."

Quite honestly this is such a bunch of bull. There have been a huge amount of threads on these forums asking for item changing, and the poll that was made had 95% in favor of style changing last time I checked.

Either ZOS couldn't care less about this, or they are simply waiting to add 'appearance changing tokens' to their already horrible Crown Crates.
And for your information, @ZOS_MattFiror , you cannot change 'everything' into Imperial style, since it does not work for any dropped sets nor monster masks, making it a completely useless feature.

Anywho, there's our answer. And I for one am not gonner bother re-subbing or spending a dime more in this crappy game until they decide to implement style changing, so I can at least bear looking at my own character.

I do not get it what might be that big problem there with mass scale implementation. I am not a programmer, but I can imagine, that the only thing that transmog of lets say dunmer item to xivkyn would need is to change one thing in a database for that item (motif code) - done.

So what is the problem there?

The way I see it there are two possible reasons.

Either ZOS doesn't have the competence to do this. Every PTS update has been delayed due to 'unforseen' errors lately, and god knows the game has many bugs as well, so ZOS incompetence is definitely a possibility for this. Or maybe they just don't care either way.

Second possibility is that they see the need for appearance changing in the community, and want to monetize it. Either by forcing us into their crown shops to buy more and more costumes (now a lot of costumes will drop exclusively in crown crates as well, forcing you into their gambling system), or by eventually introducing appearance changing as a crown store/crown crate exclusive feature.

Whether it's unwillingness/unableness to do this, or simply a greed to profit from our wishes for appearance changing, it still blows major goat, and is one of the main reasons I've given up on this game.

For those who say 'just use costumes' I present to you the second option above. Why should I be forced into using RL cash to be able to look decent? This also completely ignores the fact that there are only few costumes that look decent, whereas we have a multitude of motifs in game that see little to no use. Why even bother having motifs to begin with when you can't use them on your character without gimping it completely.

You might not care a bit about how your character looks in game, but for some of us it is a pretty large deal. And like I said, 95 % of the playerbase that voted are in favor of appearance changing. Can't say I've ever seen a single other issue in this game with such a large majority.

DocFrost72

You missed the part where they said "currently". Kinda like how at launch they were not ready "currently" to add poisons, or "currently" ready to allow costume dying.

Until they flat out say "no", it just seems a bit...idk, simple to assume the worst.

And OP, I can do endgame content (minus vMoL, haven't been there yet) in 8/9 pieces of crafted gear. The one thing I chose to include that I can't really live without was my divines Kena helm, but I realized that by adding one piece of my off set I'd vet the same bonus, literally the same stats.

So you most certainly CAN do stuff in crafted gear, which can tide you over until transmog.

Alucardo

It does suck this won't be a reality, but it's not the end of the world

Solariken

@ZOS_MattFiror was just shirking the issue. He knows we all want this and we will certainly get it, but I'm here to tell you it will be the worst possible design/implementation imaginable and only available via Crown Store micro-transactions. That's how ZOS rolls.

Bryanonymous

Laziness...

Nirnrotten

This isn't a democracy. Not to mention whatever poll you're talking about is not a representational sample of the player base at all. It's this sense of warped entitlement that plagues the forums. On top of that you say horrible things about the people and company who develop the game who's forum you are currently on. I've never gotten anything by disrespecting the person I was asking.

As for transmog, they had it in WoW and I wasn't a big fan of it then. I enjoy how ZOS turns just about every motif in game into a crafting style eventually. We don't need transmog. That is for when gear in a certain style only drops at X level so if you want to wear it but are Y level then you can still wear the style without gimping your stats.

There are soo many ways to make characters in ESO look good. Getting all flustered over transmog possibly not making it into the game is just silly.

Didaco

This just means they still have to find a way to monetize the feature the best way possible. Predictable.

I just hope it won't have anything to do with gamble boxes.

Carbonised

Nirnrotten wrote: »

This isn't a democracy. Not to mention whatever poll you're talking about is not a representational sample of the player base at all. It's this sense of warped entitlement that plagues the forums. On top of that you say horrible things about the people and company who develop the game who's forum you are currently on. I've never gotten anything by disrespecting the person I was asking.

As for transmog, they had it in WoW and I wasn't a big fan of it then. I enjoy how ZOS turns just about every motif in game into a crafting style eventually. We don't need transmog. That is for when gear in a certain style only drops at X level so if you want to wear it but are Y level then you can still wear the style without gimping your stats.

There are soo many ways to make characters in ESO look good. Getting all flustered over transmog possibly not making it into the game is just silly.

Wow, you really are clueless. I'm not even gonna bother reiterating the points for the n'th time.
Mkay thx for ur opinion bai bai.

Darkonflare15

Carbonised wrote: »

Nirnrotten wrote: »

This isn't a democracy. Not to mention whatever poll you're talking about is not a representational sample of the player base at all. It's this sense of warped entitlement that plagues the forums. On top of that you say horrible things about the people and company who develop the game who's forum you are currently on. I've never gotten anything by disrespecting the person I was asking.

As for transmog, they had it in WoW and I wasn't a big fan of it then. I enjoy how ZOS turns just about every motif in game into a crafting style eventually. We don't need transmog. That is for when gear in a certain style only drops at X level so if you want to wear it but are Y level then you can still wear the style without gimping your stats.

There are soo many ways to make characters in ESO look good. Getting all flustered over transmog possibly not making it into the game is just silly.

Wow, you really are clueless. I'm not even gonna bother reiterating the points for the n'th time.
Mkay thx for ur opinion bai bai.

It was question asked during one their videos on day 1. On topic they have not say no. They just have not added it yet on their short term plans. Housing and appearance change was asked since this game begin but they just added the appearance change and they are adding housing next year. They have way too many stuff to add to this game that are higher on the to do list then this. Just going to have wait.

NoMoreChillies

sad its not coming soon.
2019 maybe?

Carbonised

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Nirnrotten wrote: »

This isn't a democracy. Not to mention whatever poll you're talking about is not a representational sample of the player base at all. It's this sense of warped entitlement that plagues the forums. On top of that you say horrible things about the people and company who develop the game who's forum you are currently on. I've never gotten anything by disrespecting the person I was asking.

As for transmog, they had it in WoW and I wasn't a big fan of it then. I enjoy how ZOS turns just about every motif in game into a crafting style eventually. We don't need transmog. That is for when gear in a certain style only drops at X level so if you want to wear it but are Y level then you can still wear the style without gimping your stats.

There are soo many ways to make characters in ESO look good. Getting all flustered over transmog possibly not making it into the game is just silly.

Wow, you really are clueless. I'm not even gonna bother reiterating the points for the n'th time.
Mkay thx for ur opinion bai bai.

It was question asked during one their videos on day 1. On topic they have not say no. They just have not added it yet on their short term plans. Housing and appearance change was asked since this game begin but they just added the appearance change and they are adding housing next year. They have way too many stuff to add to this game that are higher on the to do list then this. Just going to have wait.

"Not something we are currently considering" is pretty much the ZOS way of saying 'no'.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this.

susmitds

Carbonised wrote: »

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Nirnrotten wrote: »

This isn't a democracy. Not to mention whatever poll you're talking about is not a representational sample of the player base at all. It's this sense of warped entitlement that plagues the forums. On top of that you say horrible things about the people and company who develop the game who's forum you are currently on. I've never gotten anything by disrespecting the person I was asking.

As for transmog, they had it in WoW and I wasn't a big fan of it then. I enjoy how ZOS turns just about every motif in game into a crafting style eventually. We don't need transmog. That is for when gear in a certain style only drops at X level so if you want to wear it but are Y level then you can still wear the style without gimping your stats.

There are soo many ways to make characters in ESO look good. Getting all flustered over transmog possibly not making it into the game is just silly.

Wow, you really are clueless. I'm not even gonna bother reiterating the points for the n'th time.
Mkay thx for ur opinion bai bai.

It was question asked during one their videos on day 1. On topic they have not say no. They just have not added it yet on their short term plans. Housing and appearance change was asked since this game begin but they just added the appearance change and they are adding housing next year. They have way too many stuff to add to this game that are higher on the to do list then this. Just going to have wait.

"Not something we are currently considering" is pretty much the ZOS way of saying 'no'.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this.

That entitled nature won't take you anywhere.

Carbonised

susmitds wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Nirnrotten wrote: »

This isn't a democracy. Not to mention whatever poll you're talking about is not a representational sample of the player base at all. It's this sense of warped entitlement that plagues the forums. On top of that you say horrible things about the people and company who develop the game who's forum you are currently on. I've never gotten anything by disrespecting the person I was asking.

As for transmog, they had it in WoW and I wasn't a big fan of it then. I enjoy how ZOS turns just about every motif in game into a crafting style eventually. We don't need transmog. That is for when gear in a certain style only drops at X level so if you want to wear it but are Y level then you can still wear the style without gimping your stats.

There are soo many ways to make characters in ESO look good. Getting all flustered over transmog possibly not making it into the game is just silly.

Wow, you really are clueless. I'm not even gonna bother reiterating the points for the n'th time.
Mkay thx for ur opinion bai bai.

It was question asked during one their videos on day 1. On topic they have not say no. They just have not added it yet on their short term plans. Housing and appearance change was asked since this game begin but they just added the appearance change and they are adding housing next year. They have way too many stuff to add to this game that are higher on the to do list then this. Just going to have wait.

"Not something we are currently considering" is pretty much the ZOS way of saying 'no'.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this.

That entitled nature won't take you anywhere.

You're wrong, it will take me right out of this game.

It's not about being 'entitled', it's about having some minimum requirements for me wanting to waste my time (and money), and this game doesn't have it. Appearance changing being quite a big deal for me, but there are others too (magicka imbalances, too much effort being put into their crown store & crates).

Call that 'entitled' till you're blue in the face, but unless you start catering to your customers, your customers will eventually migrate elsewhere. Doesn't take a genius to work that out.

Waffennacht

That whole "too much into crown store" bit is the only part i disagree with

It's not like they go, "hmm do i make a costume today or do I fix gap closer?... COSTUME! "

Im sure they are completely different departments

Sigtric

I personally would rather see custom cosmetic outfits rather than transmog. Similar to the way you could do it in Lord of the Rings Online.

In your character sheet you had the tab for the gear you were wearing, and then you had several tabs for cosmetic appearance. Drag any piece of armor into the slot and it'd make a cosmetic copy of it there and you could then bank/trade/trash/sell the physical item.

Elsonso

Bad_Company wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

For those who missed it from the Reddit AMA, here's @ZOS_MattFiror:

"Now, to your question: this is something we have talked about, but it is more complex than you otherwise might imagine - item transmogrication can work in a limited fashion pretty easily (like the ability to change everything to Imperial Style if you own the Imperial Edition), but not something we are currently considering on a mass scale."

Quite honestly this is such a bunch of bull. There have been a huge amount of threads on these forums asking for item changing, and the poll that was made had 95% in favor of style changing last time I checked.

Either ZOS couldn't care less about this, or they are simply waiting to add 'appearance changing tokens' to their already horrible Crown Crates.
And for your information, @ZOS_MattFiror , you cannot change 'everything' into Imperial style, since it does not work for any dropped sets nor monster masks, making it a completely useless feature.

Anywho, there's our answer. And I for one am not gonner bother re-subbing or spending a dime more in this crappy game until they decide to implement style changing, so I can at least bear looking at my own character.

Put on a costume. Or a polymorph.

That's not the point, IMHO. The OP wanted this feature (as I do) because you can craft something and upgrade it to legendary, then a new motif that you like better shows up, and you have to either re-craft and re-upgrade everything or just know you won't be able to use it.

I am glad that they are not including transmogrification. It seems wrong to me that we can change styles without recrafting everything just because we learn a new style.

+1 for my resub to ESO Plus in April

Recremen

Keep in mind that One Tamriel was not even on the radar just last year. I remember them saying that they'd love to do DLC Zone-style scaling for all the existing zones, but that it was a ton of work and not on the schedule. Yet here we are, with the next update being that very thing! Development is always a matter of juggling priorities, so if we really want this then we've got to keep asking for it! It is doubtless that it would be a complicated change to do properly, with all the features we'd want out of it, but it would be absolutely worth it, I think. For me, the question only becomes "what features can we all agree on"? For example, people always mention armor restyling, but I don't hear enough about weapon restyling to compliment the system! Maelstrom weapons are cool and all, but sometimes you like the look of a different sword better. Sometimes you change how you want it to look 20 times in one night. A good system should allow for such frivolity, much like the dye stations allow an endless stream of color combinations.

UltimaJoe777

Their tech can't handle capes either and that ship has sailed. This one will eventually as well.

Dubhliam

They'd much rather you buy Crown Costumes and dye them while being ESO+

Abeille

"(...)not something we are currently considering"

I wouldn't consider this a "no, never". I think that we are all well aware of what "we have no plans" actually mean.
So let's ask them again in a year of so.

TheShadowScout

Disappointing, but eh, at least its an "not now" and not an "not ever". Maybe in a year or two, they will reconsider the matter and do it, the "convert to imperial" function shows it is not that big a deal...

Drummerx04

The implementation seems like it should be straight forward. The items already have motif data that can be accessed by name and displayed by addons like Craftstore.

1. Add a new tab to crafting stations that lists items to re-style
2. User selects item to restyle from inventory
3. Opens the sliding motif selector element from the creation tab
4. Restyling consumes mats equal to that of crafting the white item (i.e. 150 for chest pieces at cp160)

Assuming items were conveniently implemented, this SHOULD only require modifying a single integer value stored for the item. This brings some value back into motifs (which are also available on the crown store btw, ZOS), and gives players a materials sink to prolong their grinding experience while simultaneously giving them exactly what they requested.

Caligamy_ESO

You will wear your oversized clown hats, and LIKE IT!

Mandragora

I think I didn't find this changing of armor style in any other MMO. There was only an option for cosmetics for every part of body, which you could copy from an armor you owned already.

For me - I don't care really unless it is top tier and then I would like to have sets, which are in my reach, where I can choose their style and really have the whole set.
I liked the system in Guild Wars 2 (before FtP), where you had several themed dungeons with tokens for every completion, that you could exhange for set pieces, that matched the style of that dungeon, so you could really roleplay a loremaster, going to take care about nature problem in some dungeon and you got an armor of your style within like 2 weeks I think. Really cool. And it was almost maxed tier, the next tier above that was grindy.
Here in ESO, I have all kinds of parts of armors, well I could buy them, but some traits are for really high price, so if I will get lucky for the right trait, it can happen that it will match my set (in my set I will get gold or killing xps), that is the reason, why players wants this I guess, but I would prefer that other solution - so I could really have a whole set with the right traits.

MrAppleman

Tough poo poo it's called gold sink. You can't afford to Deconstruct/recraft once or twice?

Why should everything in this game be done instantly on command?

Go farm for a day and you'll have a crap ton of mats. Put some effort in!