so Burning Embers DK morph... make it 20 yard range?

dsalter

surprised Magicka Dragonknights arsenal hasn't got more range to it, maybe this is where alot of their issues tend to spur from? since the only viable flame weapon they benefit from is a destruction staff and heavy attacking with one of those at close range will usually get the DK bashed.

thoughts?

leepalmer95

Mag dk has literally 0 range to it, the only thing being stone fist which is pretty terrible.

Cool i can cc someone with a skill thats reflectable, too bad i've gotta sprint 20 yards to start dealing damage.

BurritoESO

This makes no sense

Rainingblood

There are other skills I'd rather see fixed/added. *cough... execute...

Why would you use a staff at close range anyway? MDKs have melee, and light and heavy attacks at range are plenty for me to be able to do some damage, regen magicka, and build ultimate.

IxskullzxI

How would making burning embers 20 yards help the class?

Akimbro

dsalter wrote: »

surprised Magicka Dragonknights arsenal hasn't got more range to it, maybe this is where alot of their issues tend to spur from? since the only viable flame weapon they benefit from is a destruction staff and heavy attacking with one of those at close range will usually get the DK bashed.

thoughts?

How would that help when almost every dps ability for a mDK is melee or near melee range?

dsalter

Akimbro wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

surprised Magicka Dragonknights arsenal hasn't got more range to it, maybe this is where alot of their issues tend to spur from? since the only viable flame weapon they benefit from is a destruction staff and heavy attacking with one of those at close range will usually get the DK bashed.

thoughts?

How would that help when almost every dps ability for a mDK is melee or near melee range?

it was mainly an example, but ya get the rough idea, they are a close range magicka setup with no range abilities besides chains

Silver_Strider

20 is too much. At the most, I can see 10m for all the magic morphs but that's it

Derra

This is almost as good as the people demanding procced frags to be unblock/reflectable...

Ivan04

I think it should also deal direct damage, instead of a dot. It'll be a 1 sec channel, unless you can proc it with other magicka abilities. Molten whip, on the other hand, should be turned into physical damage aoe dot that deals increased damage to the closst opponent and snares him. Also obsidian shield should grant invisibility and make your next attack critical. Also dragon leap should cost 50 ultimate and deal disease damage, and increase your damage against affected targets by 20%. Also empowering chains shouldn't be a gap closer, but instead instantly teleport you 20 meters forward. Also your dragonknight standart should negate all magicka abilities of the affected enemies. Also your scaled armor should give you minor expedition. And, the most important thing, also your dragon blood should be a free ability and return you stamina and health for every enemy killed.

LinearParadox

I'm just going to assume the post above mine was a joke... a bad one.

Chains. Chains is the answer you're looking for. Gap closer, fairly spammable with a Mag build, and a free empower. OR, you can take the other morph and pull them to you, and if they don't pull (block, CC-immune, etc.) you STILL get the Expedition even though it REFUNDS the cost of the ability entirely!

I think Mag DKs could use a little tuning here and there, but they're nowhere near as bad off as people claim. They're tanky bruisers that, when build and played right, can output a substantial amount of damage while also being extremely tanky and cappable of huge self-healing and sustain. Sure, they're lacking burst but, think about it, that's the ONLY thing they're lacking. Give them that, and they'll have EVERYTHING. Classes need to have strong and weak points both for identity and to keep things from being OP.

Besides, ever been hit by the empowered second-strike of a Flame Lash by a Mag DK with high spell damage? I hit like 15K on the PTS. I think that's enough burst, thank you.

Xvorg

LinearParadox wrote: »

I'm just going to assume the post above mine was a joke... a bad one.

Chains. Chains is the answer you're looking for. Gap closer, fairly spammable with a Mag build, and a free empower. OR, you can take the other morph and pull them to you, and if they don't pull (block, CC-immune, etc.) you STILL get the Expedition even though it REFUNDS the cost of the ability entirely!

I think Mag DKs could use a little tuning here and there, but they're nowhere near as bad off as people claim. They're tanky bruisers that, when build and played right, can output a substantial amount of damage while also being extremely tanky and cappable of huge self-healing and sustain. Sure, they're lacking burst but, think about it, that's the ONLY thing they're lacking. Give them that, and they'll have EVERYTHING. Classes need to have strong and weak points both for identity and to keep things from being OP.

Besides, ever been hit by the empowered second-strike of a Flame Lash by a Mag DK with high spell damage? I hit like 15K on the PTS. I think that's enough burst, thank you.

Chains are:
1- Unreliable. Y axis killed the skill.
2- Expensive. Other gap closers for the same value do moar (stun, empower, snare, interrupts, always crit)
3- Almost no combo can be done with chains.

mDKs do not need a little tuning, they need a large rework. No mobility unles you are vamp, no tankyness unless you use heavy armor or shields (both shields), no range unless you use a staff, no spamming skill (whip is TOO slow), no burst heal, no cost reduction unless light armor, no cheap ulti (the options are standard, armor, meteor, barrier or horn... maybe soul strike next patch could fix that, don't count on destro ulti because it's crap)

A lot of people here has been playing mDK since launch and they can tell you how in bad shape is the class. The only good things mage DKs have are the passives, but even in that case, a StamDK has and advantage in that area. Leap is physical dmg, cheaper than most of the DK skills and uses the Battle roar passive

Asgari

Has anyone noticed how stone fist base is better than both morphs lol

Silver_Strider

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Has anyone noticed how stone fist base is better than both morphs lol

But I like my healing rock

Browiseth

Force shock

Autolycus

Xvorg wrote: »

LinearParadox wrote: »

I'm just going to assume the post above mine was a joke... a bad one.

Chains. Chains is the answer you're looking for. Gap closer, fairly spammable with a Mag build, and a free empower. OR, you can take the other morph and pull them to you, and if they don't pull (block, CC-immune, etc.) you STILL get the Expedition even though it REFUNDS the cost of the ability entirely!

I think Mag DKs could use a little tuning here and there, but they're nowhere near as bad off as people claim. They're tanky bruisers that, when build and played right, can output a substantial amount of damage while also being extremely tanky and cappable of huge self-healing and sustain. Sure, they're lacking burst but, think about it, that's the ONLY thing they're lacking. Give them that, and they'll have EVERYTHING. Classes need to have strong and weak points both for identity and to keep things from being OP.

Besides, ever been hit by the empowered second-strike of a Flame Lash by a Mag DK with high spell damage? I hit like 15K on the PTS. I think that's enough burst, thank you.

Chains are:
1- Unreliable. Y axis killed the skill.
2- Expensive. Other gap closers for the same value do moar (stun, empower, snare, interrupts, always crit)
3- Almost no combo can be done with chains.

mDKs do not need a little tuning, they need a large rework. No mobility unles you are vamp, no tankyness unless you use heavy armor or shields (both shields), no range unless you use a staff, no spamming skill (whip is TOO slow), no burst heal, no cost reduction unless light armor, no cheap ulti (the options are standard, armor, meteor, barrier or horn... maybe soul strike next patch could fix that, don't count on destro ulti because it's crap)

A lot of people here has been playing mDK since launch and they can tell you how in bad shape is the class. The only good things mage DKs have are the passives, but even in that case, a StamDK has and advantage in that area. Leap is physical dmg, cheaper than most of the DK skills and uses the Battle roar passive

Man this is like polar opposite of my experiences as a magDK in pvp. I fully respect your opinion, but it's just not in-line with what I do and see. I could give examples, but probably not necessary, as I doubt it would make much difference (no offense to you, just people generally don't give a lick of consideration for real examples - just immediately write it off as bogus and bunk).

Xvorg

Autolycus wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

LinearParadox wrote: »

I'm just going to assume the post above mine was a joke... a bad one.

Chains. Chains is the answer you're looking for. Gap closer, fairly spammable with a Mag build, and a free empower. OR, you can take the other morph and pull them to you, and if they don't pull (block, CC-immune, etc.) you STILL get the Expedition even though it REFUNDS the cost of the ability entirely!

I think Mag DKs could use a little tuning here and there, but they're nowhere near as bad off as people claim. They're tanky bruisers that, when build and played right, can output a substantial amount of damage while also being extremely tanky and cappable of huge self-healing and sustain. Sure, they're lacking burst but, think about it, that's the ONLY thing they're lacking. Give them that, and they'll have EVERYTHING. Classes need to have strong and weak points both for identity and to keep things from being OP.

Besides, ever been hit by the empowered second-strike of a Flame Lash by a Mag DK with high spell damage? I hit like 15K on the PTS. I think that's enough burst, thank you.

Chains are:
1- Unreliable. Y axis killed the skill.
2- Expensive. Other gap closers for the same value do moar (stun, empower, snare, interrupts, always crit)
3- Almost no combo can be done with chains.

mDKs do not need a little tuning, they need a large rework. No mobility unles you are vamp, no tankyness unless you use heavy armor or shields (both shields), no range unless you use a staff, no spamming skill (whip is TOO slow), no burst heal, no cost reduction unless light armor, no cheap ulti (the options are standard, armor, meteor, barrier or horn... maybe soul strike next patch could fix that, don't count on destro ulti because it's crap)

A lot of people here has been playing mDK since launch and they can tell you how in bad shape is the class. The only good things mage DKs have are the passives, but even in that case, a StamDK has and advantage in that area. Leap is physical dmg, cheaper than most of the DK skills and uses the Battle roar passive

Man this is like polar opposite of my experiences as a magDK in pvp. I fully respect your opinion, but it's just not in-line with what I do and see. I could give examples, but probably not necessary, as I doubt it would make much difference (no offense to you, just people generally don't give a lick of consideration for real examples - just immediately write it off as bogus and bunk).

I do have great xp in PvP with my mDK running inside a group it is just nice. But when going alone, my carpal tunnels aches a lot. Yes, there are ways you can work your playing style (heavy armor, resto staff popping the bubble as much as posible) but it's very niche.
The thing is that changing to stamina, everything seems easier.

Savos_Saren

If anything, I just wish that Stone Fist had some sort of Firey DoT to it (call it Magma Fist). It would help with those of us who run 1H/S and Valkyn Skoria. I just want to be able to hit someone from a distance with a firey ability to proc Valkyn.

Autolycus

Xvorg wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

LinearParadox wrote: »

I'm just going to assume the post above mine was a joke... a bad one.

Chains. Chains is the answer you're looking for. Gap closer, fairly spammable with a Mag build, and a free empower. OR, you can take the other morph and pull them to you, and if they don't pull (block, CC-immune, etc.) you STILL get the Expedition even though it REFUNDS the cost of the ability entirely!

I think Mag DKs could use a little tuning here and there, but they're nowhere near as bad off as people claim. They're tanky bruisers that, when build and played right, can output a substantial amount of damage while also being extremely tanky and cappable of huge self-healing and sustain. Sure, they're lacking burst but, think about it, that's the ONLY thing they're lacking. Give them that, and they'll have EVERYTHING. Classes need to have strong and weak points both for identity and to keep things from being OP.

Besides, ever been hit by the empowered second-strike of a Flame Lash by a Mag DK with high spell damage? I hit like 15K on the PTS. I think that's enough burst, thank you.

Chains are:
1- Unreliable. Y axis killed the skill.
2- Expensive. Other gap closers for the same value do moar (stun, empower, snare, interrupts, always crit)
3- Almost no combo can be done with chains.

mDKs do not need a little tuning, they need a large rework. No mobility unles you are vamp, no tankyness unless you use heavy armor or shields (both shields), no range unless you use a staff, no spamming skill (whip is TOO slow), no burst heal, no cost reduction unless light armor, no cheap ulti (the options are standard, armor, meteor, barrier or horn... maybe soul strike next patch could fix that, don't count on destro ulti because it's crap)

A lot of people here has been playing mDK since launch and they can tell you how in bad shape is the class. The only good things mage DKs have are the passives, but even in that case, a StamDK has and advantage in that area. Leap is physical dmg, cheaper than most of the DK skills and uses the Battle roar passive

Man this is like polar opposite of my experiences as a magDK in pvp. I fully respect your opinion, but it's just not in-line with what I do and see. I could give examples, but probably not necessary, as I doubt it would make much difference (no offense to you, just people generally don't give a lick of consideration for real examples - just immediately write it off as bogus and bunk).

I do have great xp in PvP with my mDK running inside a group it is just nice. But when going alone, my carpal tunnels aches a lot. Yes, there are ways you can work your playing style (heavy armor, resto staff popping the bubble as much as posible) but it's very niche.
The thing is that changing to stamina, everything seems easier.

Yea, I agree and I think there's merit to this. I put together a half-assed stam build last night on my pve stam sorc and just putting the sets on (with little consideration for the overall build, just throwing stuff together) my stats are solid. It does seem to be a lot easier to piece together a stam build than magicka, and I definitely see the merit behind this opinion. All in all, I have fun on my magDK. I respect why others find it difficult or disagree.

Xsorus

Change Stonefist to a DOT detonator if you knock down the target.

ZoM_Head

Xvorg wrote: »

LinearParadox wrote: »

I'm just going to assume the post above mine was a joke... a bad one.

Chains. Chains is the answer you're looking for. Gap closer, fairly spammable with a Mag build, and a free empower. OR, you can take the other morph and pull them to you, and if they don't pull (block, CC-immune, etc.) you STILL get the Expedition even though it REFUNDS the cost of the ability entirely!

I think Mag DKs could use a little tuning here and there, but they're nowhere near as bad off as people claim. They're tanky bruisers that, when build and played right, can output a substantial amount of damage while also being extremely tanky and cappable of huge self-healing and sustain. Sure, they're lacking burst but, think about it, that's the ONLY thing they're lacking. Give them that, and they'll have EVERYTHING. Classes need to have strong and weak points both for identity and to keep things from being OP.

Besides, ever been hit by the empowered second-strike of a Flame Lash by a Mag DK with high spell damage? I hit like 15K on the PTS. I think that's enough burst, thank you.

Chains are:
1- Unreliable. Y axis killed the skill.
2- Expensive. Other gap closers for the same value do moar (stun, empower, snare, interrupts, always crit)
3- Almost no combo can be done with chains.

mDKs do not need a little tuning, they need a large rework. No mobility unles you are vamp, no tankyness unless you use heavy armor or shields (both shields), no range unless you use a staff, no spamming skill (whip is TOO slow), no burst heal, no cost reduction unless light armor, no cheap ulti (the options are standard, armor, meteor, barrier or horn... maybe soul strike next patch could fix that, don't count on destro ulti because it's crap)

A lot of people here has been playing mDK since launch and they can tell you how in bad shape is the class. The only good things mage DKs have are the passives, but even in that case, a StamDK has and advantage in that area. Leap is physical dmg, cheaper than most of the DK skills and uses the Battle roar passive

We have been asking for tweaks since Imperial City update.....and here we are in the exact same situation, nothing really done.

Kaghei

Rainingblood wrote: »

There are other skills I'd rather see fixed/added. *cough... execute...

Why would you use a staff at close range anyway? MDKs have melee, and light and heavy attacks at range are plenty for me to be able to do some damage, regen magicka, and build ultimate.

I would like to see the dot duration cut a little but keeping damage the same. The heal would be more frequent and would add a bit more burst rather than a long dot.
Onto the execute a similar function to mages wrath the sorcs have. A fire explosion if the target is under 20% health?

on the topic of MDK next patch dragon leap will have a similar cost to dawnbreaker. Why not make one of the morph do fire damage instead of physical?

Kaghei

Xsorus wrote: »

Change Stonefist to a DOT detonator if you knock down the target.

really a dot?
i feel like the last thing a DK needs is a dot.

From playing this game these last few weeks ive found the only class i die to because of sustain is another magicka dk. Every other class bursts me down. Sometimes from full health sometimes for half health but a MDK has never done that to me.