Number of Crown Crate Exclusives vs Past Items in CS Crates

MissBizz

Hey folks! I'm looking to figure out how many exclusive items are in crown store crates compared to past items.

I've done some guesstimate math, but I obviously could be wrong and am reaching out for help.

Zos seemed to make it extremely unclear what is exclusive vs what is not. Gina mentioned they are working on making it clearer. Currently the only way I've figured out to determine is if you actually get the item... if it says "Purchased in Crown Store" it is a past item/non-exclusive. If it ONLY says "Available in Storm Atronach Crown Crates" it is in exclusive. This matches with what Gina mentioned although it's only available to see once you actually get the item and it's in your collections.

A few people messaged me with their findings. I then finished up the spreadsheet by going through by memory what has been a past item. I also checked it against UESP's list of crown store items that have ever been available. If you find something different (or noticed I made a type or messed up) Please let me know!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tIIGVGdisPPJLfbdSHy-Cu21SmUS2RhSZ7a7bdLp_X4/pubhtml

As far as I can see:
72 items are available from the crown crate.
55 collectibles are available from the crown crate. Every collectible in the crown crate can be purchased for gems.
37 of the 55 collectibles are new/exclusive 67% of the collectibles are exclusive
18/55 are past items. 33% of collectibles are past items

Abeille

For reference, this is Gina's post on which items are supposed to be exclusive.

To be honest, I'm still hoping Gina or Rich will show up and tell us there was a mistake, that only the Storm Atronach-themed items are exclusive or something like that.

MissBizz

Abeille wrote: »

For reference, this is Gina's post on which items are supposed to be exclusive.

To be honest, I'm still hoping Gina or Rich will show up and tell us there was a mistake, that only the Storm Atronach-themed items are exclusive or something like that.

Me too. I finally opened my crates for today @Abeille .

At 5200 crowns spent... I ended up with no atro mount, and 15 gems. Not even enough for that super cute Purple Daggerback.

As I said on twitter. That limited time Dro-m'Athra Senche seems like a pretty good deal now.

MissBizz

Adjusted my guesstimate totals. Forgot to have the dog as a past item, and didn't have 2/3 battlemage or whatever costumes on the list.

ZunaRoath

Just came to say as I mentioned yesterday, got same items as you have put in that sheet. Quite sad that they lock up these really cool items..

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

What really sucks is that these are called Atronach Crates but the chance to even get an Atronach themed collectible is very small

MissBizz

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

What really sucks is that these are called Atronach Crates but the chance to even get an Atronach themed collectible is very small

Yes, I'm really disappointed that as far as we know there are actually MORE exclusives than past items. When they announced these they announced them as a way to get past items. Yeah, good luck with that.

Still waiting for them to clarify on what exactly is exclusive, whether everything I have listed is in fact exclusive, or if only the atronach stuff should be.

Lumbermill_Emperor

where is pets - loyalty rewards?

where is pets from events like Gamescom 2014?

MissBizz

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

where is pets - loyalty rewards?

where is pets from events like Gamescom 2014?

@Lumbermill_Emperor They stated loyalty rewards would never be in these crates. Also, you can see what is offered in each crate by right clicking it in the crown store and selecting "preview". They have put an extremely limited amount of past items in the crate, not all of them. These should change with the "seasons". So if you are looking for a specific past item.. you could be waiting awhile just to have it as a possibility from the crate.

wayfarerx

ZOS_MattFiror wrote:

I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear.

From MMORPG.com.

MissBizz wrote: »

39 of the 55 collectibles are new/exclusive 71% of the collectibles are exclusive
16/55 are past items. 29% of collectibles are past items

Baseless fear eh @ZOS_MattFiror?

MissBizz

wayfarerx wrote: »

ZOS_MattFiror wrote:

I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear.

From MMORPG.com.

MissBizz wrote: »

39 of the 55 collectibles are new/exclusive 71% of the collectibles are exclusive
16/55 are past items. 29% of collectibles are past items

Baseless fear eh @ZOS_MattFiror?

Welp @wayfarerx , not going to lie. A part of me thinks ONLY the atronach items are meant to be exclusives, but since they refuse to clearly state what is in fact an exclusive vs what is not, OR clearly state how we can view this information for ourselves, I'll stand by the worst case scenario. Gina tried to help us out, but she can only do so much.

Abeille

wayfarerx wrote: »

ZOS_MattFiror wrote:

I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear.

From MMORPG.com.

MissBizz wrote: »

39 of the 55 collectibles are new/exclusive 71% of the collectibles are exclusive
16/55 are past items. 29% of collectibles are past items

Baseless fear eh @ZOS_MattFiror?

"They are totally overreacting, we are not doing that"
*Does exactly that*

wayfarerx

MissBizz wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

ZOS_MattFiror wrote:

I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear.

From MMORPG.com.

MissBizz wrote: »

39 of the 55 collectibles are new/exclusive 71% of the collectibles are exclusive
16/55 are past items. 29% of collectibles are past items

Baseless fear eh @ZOS_MattFiror?

Welp @wayfarerx , not going to lie. A part of me thinks ONLY the atronach items are meant to be exclusives, but since they refuse to clearly state what is in fact an exclusive vs what is not, OR clearly state how we can view this information for ourselves, I'll stand by the worst case scenario. Gina tried to help us out, but she can only do so much.

I think the deafening silence on the issue says all that needs to be said. I know Gina wants to help as much as she can, but I see no reason someone would not have popped into any of these threads and said "hey guys it's just supposed to be the themed mounts that are exclusive, we'll have that fixed in the next PTS update."

The reason that that has not happened is because how it is on PTS is exactly what @ZOS_MattFiror wants. It is exactly his proverbial "monetization chaos" that we're getting here, by design.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

wayfarerx wrote: »

I think the deafening silence on the issue says all that needs to be said. I know Gina wants to help as much as she can, but I see no reason someone would not have popped into any of these threads and said "hey guys it's just supposed to be the themed mounts that are exclusive, we'll have that fixed in the next PTS update."

I'm inclined to agree; Zenimax's SOP up to this point has been 'if the players don't like what we're doing, keep silent about it' and there's no reason for them to change at this stage...

Miaura

Thanks very much MissBizz and all who contributed findings for making this!

And oh my I`m very, very disappointed to see the amount of exlusive to crates items.
Especially because at first they said that crates woud contain consumables (wich I do not want/need at all), old items (wich I could live without though quite sad to not have another chance at) and "very rarely a new crate exlusive mount." Now it`s whole sets of nice items and hard working dev time too going straight to these" box sets" it seems?

In a fair and square deal from the store I would have gotten some of those items . Especially that Clouded Senche-Leopard Cub I would have gotten in a jiffy if sold directly in the store , to go with my "ex-exlusive" clouded senche mount.
And I would not be angry about my senche being not so exlusive anymore, if it had been added to the store to be a regular long time purchase I would not mind, but seeing how disgusting to me and how generally hated by many players these crates are turning out to be, I`m not happy that any passer by might think I got my mount from one of those things !

Please ZOS, @ZOS_GinaBruno , for the love of Azura hear the community this time and reconsider your course with these crates.

Danikat

This surprised me too.

From the way they'd been described previously I expected 1 exclusive mount per crate, plus previously available mounts, pets, costumes etc., plus consumables.

Now we've got a full set of crate-exclusive mounts, plus a whole load of other new cosmetics which may or may not be exclusive and a handful of returning ones.

I'd really appreciate some clarification on this. In particular whether the new non-Atronach cosmetics will be sold directly in the crown store. There are a few I'd buy if they were available that way (purple daggerback, clouded senche leopard cub, red wolf, maybe some of the adornments) but I won't spend money for a random chance at something I want.

Elsonso

wayfarerx wrote: »

ZOS_MattFiror wrote:

I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear.

From MMORPG.com.

MissBizz wrote: »

39 of the 55 collectibles are new/exclusive 71% of the collectibles are exclusive
16/55 are past items. 29% of collectibles are past items

Baseless fear eh @ZOS_MattFiror?

What Firor said and what MizzBizz posted seem to be in complete harmony.

"However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear."

The exception phrase is the key. I suspect that if you look at the raw data, you will see that if you remove the unique mounts and customization items, almost all of the remaining items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with. That 71% of the total items are part of the exclusion statement does not change what Firor said, since he excluded them from his statement.

You have to know how to read a ZOS statement. This is takes intense training, long hours of study, not not a small amount of sarcasm and cynicism. Alcohol helps.

wayfarerx

lordrichter wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

ZOS_MattFiror wrote:

I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear.

From MMORPG.com.

MissBizz wrote: »

39 of the 55 collectibles are new/exclusive 71% of the collectibles are exclusive
16/55 are past items. 29% of collectibles are past items

Baseless fear eh @ZOS_MattFiror?

What Firor said and what MizzBizz posted seem to be in complete harmony.

"However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear."

The exception phrase is the key. I suspect that if you look at the raw data, you will see that if you remove the unique mounts and customization items, almost all of the remaining items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with. That 71% of the total items are part of the exclusion statement does not change what Firor said, since he excluded them from his statement.

You have to know how to read a ZOS statement. This is takes intense training, long hours of study, not not a small amount of sarcasm and cynicism. Alcohol helps.

Sure, the marketing weasel words are technically true, so I have not accused Firor of directly telling his customers lies. I take issue with him saying that our fears are "baseless" when in fact they are well-founded. Most of the concerns I've seen about these Crown Crates has not been that they would be P2W but that they would lock an unreasonable amount of items behind the RNG game. With 55 collectibles looking like they will be crate-exclusives I feel that our fears were anything but baseless.

If you remove the exclusive mounts and customization items then by definition everything else in the crates will have been in the store. Stating a tautology does not make our fears "baseless."

Taleof2Cities

However you interpret Matt's statement, it's certainly not Pay-To-Win.

All the crate items I opened last night were crown consumables, style parlor items, costumes, mounts, collectibles, non-combat pets, etc.

EDIT: Managed to pull a sceenshot of the Storm Atronach horse.

MissBizz

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

However you interpret Matt's statement, it's certainly not Pay-To-Win.

All the crate items I opened last night were crown consumables, style parlor items, costumes, mounts, collectibles, non-combat pets, etc.

@Taleof2Cities I'm sorry, where did you read in this thread that someone thought it was pay to win? That's not what we are discussing here, or certainly not where I intended this conversation to go when creating the opening thread for this discussion.

Iselin

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

However you interpret Matt's statement, it's certainly not Pay-To-Win.

All the crate items I opened last night were crown consumables, style parlor items, costumes, mounts, collectibles, non-combat pets, etc.

It's also true that there are no bananas in the crates.

What does P2W have to do with this discussion about exclusivity in the crown crates?

Slurg

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

However you interpret Matt's statement, it's certainly not Pay-To-Win.

All the crate items I opened last night were crown consumables, style parlor items, costumes, mounts, collectibles, non-combat pets, etc.

Nobody ever said the crates were Pay to Win. Not even Matt*, and he only addressed a tiny minority of the actual concerns presented. A few people were concerned about being on a slippery slope heading in that general direction. At least argue against what was actually said instead of setting up a straw man.

*Matt did not accuse anyone of calling it P2W.

Also...

Abeille wrote: »

For reference, this is Gina's post on which items are supposed to be exclusive.

To be honest, I'm still hoping Gina or Rich will show up and tell us there was a mistake, that only the Storm Atronach-themed items are exclusive or something like that.

If it is taking this long to respond I don't expect it to be something like that.

Taleof2Cities

MissBizz wrote: »

@Taleof2Cities I'm sorry, where did you read in this thread that someone thought it was pay to win? That's not what we are discussing here, or certainly not where I intended this conversation to go when creating the opening thread for this discussion.

Sorry about that, the core of the thread is about exclusive vs. non-exclusive ... and not the other portion of Firor's quote about P2W. Carry on!

MornaBaine

For those of you faced with the conundrum of wanting to signal your displeasure to ZOS by cancelling your sub but unwilling to be punished yourself by the loss of your perks since you continue to play the game until you find a new one to leave what they are turning ESO into... you do have an option that denies ZOS your money and keeps your sub. And no, it's not at all illegal but I don't know if I'm "allowed" to discuss it here in the forums. So, if you'd like to know, I can be contacted on enjin.com at @MornaBaine , same as I am here. Send me a PM and I'll be happy to explain.

Minno

lordrichter wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

ZOS_MattFiror wrote:

I think the most common concern is that this is a slippery slope that will lead to monetization chaos and pay-to-win. However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear.

From MMORPG.com.

MissBizz wrote: »

39 of the 55 collectibles are new/exclusive 71% of the collectibles are exclusive
16/55 are past items. 29% of collectibles are past items

Baseless fear eh @ZOS_MattFiror?

What Firor said and what MizzBizz posted seem to be in complete harmony.

"However, since almost all of the items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with (with the exception of the unique mounts and customization items), that is a baseless fear."

The exception phrase is the key. I suspect that if you look at the raw data, you will see that if you remove the unique mounts and customization items, almost all of the remaining items in Crown Crates are already in the Crown Store to begin with. That 71% of the total items are part of the exclusion statement does not change what Firor said, since he excluded them from his statement.

You have to know how to read a ZOS statement. This is takes intense training, long hours of study, not not a small amount of sarcasm and cynicism. Alcohol helps.

I get those comments often in architectural lighting design. But in my field, we test each fixture and don't use it if it fails our personal standards. This also assumes they adhere to strict governmental standards or other industry quality standards.

Only thing to do is give mmorg the data and let them write a piece. Or keep instructing players in zone/guilds to not buy the crown items.

VerboseQuips

MissBizz wrote: »

As far as I can see:
72 items are available from the crown crate.
55 collectibles are available from the crown crate. Every collectible in the crown crate can be purchased for gems.
39 of the 55 collectibles are new/exclusive 71% of the collectibles are exclusive
16/55 are past items. 29% of collectibles are past items

Well, here goes the claim that faithful customers who bought everything so far would progress faster towards the 400 gems due to more likely duplicates: the influence of past spendings will be rather marginal.

Cazzy

So everything listed as "Exclusive" is Crate only? As far as we know?

Toast_STS

So it's going to be like $1000 for a new mount? I like the wizard hat though.

MissBizz

Cazzy wrote: »

So everything listed as "Exclusive" is Crate only? As far as we know?

@cazzy Yes, as far as we know. We asked how we can determine what is exclusive and Gina said "Any item that's a Crown Crate exclusive should say so in the tooltip (it says something along the lines of "Available for purchase in Crown Crates")."

The only time tooltips are different is after you receive them. Items that were a past collectible have "Purchased in the crown store" plus "Available in the storm atronach crown crate" (I'm at work so wording may not be exact). Items that were NOT a past collectible lack the "Purchased in the Crown Store" line once you collect it.

So, as far as we know, everything outside obvious past collectibles will be an exclusive.

Could this be wrong? Absolutely. I actually HOPE it's wrong. As mentioned above though, if we were wrong it would be a pretty easy fix to get someone to come in here and say "hold up! Something is bugged, ONLY the atronach items will be exclusives" and that would put the flames out. They are choosing not to.

Slurg

I finally had a chance to look at the spreadsheet and I am nearly 100% certain that the Brilliance Brocade Robes and the Helstrom Ancestor Lizard are the same versions of the items retired in May 2016, not exclusive for this crate. Not that it changes the percentages significantly enough to be helpful or makes me dislike the whole crate concept any less.

MissBizz

Slurg wrote: »

I finally had a chance to look at the spreadsheet and I am nearly 100% certain that the Brilliance Brocade Robes and the Helstrom Ancestor Lizard are the same versions of the items retired in May 2016, not exclusive for this crate. Not that it changes the percentages significantly enough to be helpful or makes me dislike the whole crate concept any less.

Thank you @Slurg I'll look into it. Like I said I very well could have made typo's. originally I forgot to check the Shornhelm dog off as a past item even though it was (I even have it), so definitely possible