Campaigns: Alliance War Skills

JungleBoot

These skills need to be obtainable via another method. Cyrodill is no longer a "alliance war" setting. It's more buddies that duel one another. Blackwater is a complete joke for AD at the moment. If you wanted to do anything to obtain AW ranks, you're basically alone. Right now, blue owns that server. And once in a while, blue and red team up on yellow. And what's this crap about everyone only occupying so much territory? All the fights seem to be over the same locations : Nikel, Sejanus, and the stupid bridge to Sejanus. Those of us who want to unlock those skills and weren't around when the good of days of Zergs were alive, need a way to obtain them. It's unfair that late comers are stuck and generally disadvantaged. Remove the Alliance War skills or make them easier to obtain. Have scouting missions that reflect the freaking map. Yeah, send me way the hell behind lines when I could just scout Nikel.

Yes, I'm whining and pissed. But, doesn't change how I feel.

xellink

the skills are ridiculously easy to get right now compared to before.

Danksta

They have already made them incredibly easy to get. As a mediocre PvP'er I can get vigor in about an hour running solo.

Group up or try a different campaign if BWB is owned by another faction.

JungleBoot

How if you are not taking keeps or resources? Please explain. Also, how is it easier to obtain if most APs are awarded for winning PvP combat? Are there some missions that I don't know about? Because if questing will get me to rank 6, I'll do it. But with my luck, I'd get ganked on the way there and never get to complete the quest.

JungleBoot

Danksta wrote: »

They have already made them incredibly easy to get. As a mediocre PvP'er I can get vigor in about an hour running solo.

Group up or try a different campaign if BWB is owned by another faction.

It took me more than a couple of days to get to Rank 5 for vigor. So, what am I missing here? Please share.

Totalitarian

Always other servers to play on.

I think I got to Assault 6 in 16 hours of playtime, and I'm not good in PVP.



Also, INB4 'then give us PVPers a different way to leveling Undaunted'.

xellink

Defending gives you major bonuses. usually defending the first temple if they are ganking on you generates a lot of AP. After you exit the gates, you need to go where the battles are. If you won keeps, make sure you repair them as repairing gives AP.

You need minimum of 2-3 people to take down an outpost and about 5 to take down a keep but that is only if you have a very coordinated effort. Taking down and defending lumbermills, mines etc also gives AP. These weaken the keeps for you.

Totalitarian

JungleBoot wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

They have already made them incredibly easy to get. As a mediocre PvP'er I can get vigor in about an hour running solo.

Group up or try a different campaign if BWB is owned by another faction.

It took me more than a couple of days to get to Rank 5 for vigor. So, what am I missing here? Please share.

A good amount of your AP should come from killing people.

You need to find someone, kill them, and if you're solo, it's a good 2k AP. Rinse and repeat several times.

A good place to gank people are the IC Sewers, close to their home base, where PVEers hang around, and they tend to be easy to kill.

JungleBoot

How am I to know which server to join? Switching is expensive -- AP wise. I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm willing to work at it. But, you have to "set" a home campaign and guest campaign. There is no -- try it and see if you like it option.

Danksta

JungleBoot wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

They have already made them incredibly easy to get. As a mediocre PvP'er I can get vigor in about an hour running solo.

Group up or try a different campaign if BWB is owned by another faction.

It took me more than a couple of days to get to Rank 5 for vigor. So, what am I missing here? Please share.

Defend keeps and repair keep walls. Defending keeps rewards very good AP, just make sure to wait for the big AP gain after (known as a "D-tick"). Use /zone to find a group and zerg it up.

xellink

JungleBoot wrote: »

How am I to know which server to join? Switching is expensive -- AP wise. I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm willing to work at it. But, you have to "set" a home campaign and guest campaign. There is no -- try it and see if you like it option.

join a guild, ask your guildies.

Forztr

You get AP for for killing players, taking keeps , defending keeps, doing the dailies, repairing walls. etc,

If you are adverse to actual PVP the best way is to use siege and tag as many enemy players as possible so if they die you get credit for the kill. Equip a resto staff and spam heals. If the keep you're at is attacked and successfully defended stick around until you get the defense tick.

If you really want to do no pvp then save up a lot of gold buy a bunch of repair stones go to a delve in cyrodill kill a boss which gives you +20% AP bonus for a hour then find a broken keep and repair, repair, repair. No idea how expensive this would be.

The amount AP you get is way more than it used to be and the amount needed is way less to level the skill lines,

QuebraRegra

AP skill unlock shared across all characters... horse skills too.

Wollust

JungleBoot wrote: »

These skills need to be obtainable via another method. Cyrodill is no longer a "alliance war" setting. It's more buddies that duel one another. Blackwater is a complete joke for AD at the moment. If you wanted to do anything to obtain AW ranks, you're basically alone. Right now, blue owns that server. And once in a while, blue and red team up on yellow. And what's this crap about everyone only occupying so much territory? All the fights seem to be over the same locations : Nikel, Sejanus, and the stupid bridge to Sejanus. Those of us who want to unlock those skills and weren't around when the good of days of Zergs were alive, need a way to obtain them. It's unfair that late comers are stuck and generally disadvantaged. Remove the Alliance War skills or make them easier to obtain. Have scouting missions that reflect the freaking map. Yeah, send me way the hell behind lines when I could just scout Nikel.

Yes, I'm whining and pissed. But, doesn't change how I feel.

WHAT

It's zergier than ever

UltimaJoe777

JungleBoot wrote: »

These skills need to be obtainable via another method. Cyrodill is no longer a "alliance war" setting. It's more buddies that duel one another. Blackwater is a complete joke for AD at the moment. If you wanted to do anything to obtain AW ranks, you're basically alone. Right now, blue owns that server. And once in a while, blue and red team up on yellow. And what's this crap about everyone only occupying so much territory? All the fights seem to be over the same locations : Nikel, Sejanus, and the stupid bridge to Sejanus. Those of us who want to unlock those skills and weren't around when the good of days of Zergs were alive, need a way to obtain them. It's unfair that late comers are stuck and generally disadvantaged. Remove the Alliance War skills or make them easier to obtain. Have scouting missions that reflect the freaking map. Yeah, send me way the hell behind lines when I could just scout Nikel.

Yes, I'm whining and pissed. But, doesn't change how I feel.

Hate to break it to ya but at least on PS4 NA Daggerfall has always had the upper hand in BWB. When AD pushes hard and starts taking control they lose momentum and DC takes it all back. EP tends to go after AD too so that doesn't help. Those 2 are on each other in all campaigns like Mustard and Ketchup.

JungleBoot

====== Nevermind ======= just insanely frustrated.

geonsocal

Forztr wrote: »

go to a delve in cyrodill kill a boss which gives you +20% AP bonus for a hour

very nice, I had no idea this was a thing...by any chance - do you know if this works for the District bosses in IC too?

stevepdodson_ESO888

Totalitarian wrote: »

Always other servers to play on.

I think I got to Assault 6 in 16 hours of playtime, and I'm not good in PVP.



Also, INB4 'then give us PVPers a different way to leveling Undaunted'.

this is actually happening in One Tamriel update, so why not give more "non-PvP" ways to get the skills?

or in actual fact make it so the skills are only usable in PvP zones, then PvE-ers will never want/need them

UltimaJoe777

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

Always other servers to play on.

I think I got to Assault 6 in 16 hours of playtime, and I'm not good in PVP.



Also, INB4 'then give us PVPers a different way to leveling Undaunted'.

this is actually happening in One Tamriel update, so why not give more "non-PvP" ways to get the skills?

or in actual fact make it so the skills are only usable in PvP zones, then PvE-ers will never want/need them

You would be seriously crippling a lot of good builds with that crap. Stamina DPS pretty much NEED Vigor and Caltrops is a great skill to have. Rapid Maneuver is also nice for getting around. War Horn is used by many Tanks and Barrier is a great support Ultimate too.

The Assault and Support skill lines level quite quickly. At Alliance Rank 9 you reach Assault and Support 7, which basically unlocks every active ability. Seriously, if it gets any easier than it is you may as well just start at max Assault and Support the moment you enter Cyrodiil...

xXMichonneXx

Totalitarian wrote: »

A good place to gank people are the IC Sewers, close to their home base, where PVEers hang around, and they tend to be easy to kill.

I can attest to this, I am mainly PVE and get murdered quite frequently near my IC Sewers base.
Also agree with repairing keep walls and resource towers...it's awesome AP. You can have Vigor and Caltrops pretty easily doing this.

mb10

Erm, nope. Thornblade ps4 is still very alliance war based. Constant battle to take keeps and win the campaign.

JungleBoot

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

Always other servers to play on.

I think I got to Assault 6 in 16 hours of playtime, and I'm not good in PVP.



Also, INB4 'then give us PVPers a different way to leveling Undaunted'.

this is actually happening in One Tamriel update, so why not give more "non-PvP" ways to get the skills?

or in actual fact make it so the skills are only usable in PvP zones, then PvE-ers will never want/need them

You would be seriously crippling a lot of good builds with that crap. Stamina DPS pretty much NEED Vigor and Caltrops is a great skill to have. Rapid Maneuver is also nice for getting around. War Horn is used by many Tanks and Barrier is a great support Ultimate too.

The Assault and Support skill lines level quite quickly. At Alliance Rank 9 you reach Assault and Support 7, which basically unlocks every active ability. Seriously, if it gets any easier than it is you may as well just start at max Assault and Support the moment you enter Cyrodiil...

I need to reply to this because you are speaking from your experience and "skill level" in PvP; not mine. I stink at it and am not ashamed to admit it. I'm probably one of the "easy" marks out that helps you rank up quickly while I have to painfully struggle over many days just to get Vigor.

From stage left saunters in the proverbial moron: Get better at PvP. Problem solved.
My response: I shouldn't have to and here's why. The skills need to be fairly obtainable by all players who venture into Cyrodill and not just the players who PvP all the time and essentially "control" that portion of the game. Not everyone has 6 or 7 friends playing this game at the same time they do "ganking" lone adventurers or even pairs of adventurers. I have been in those encounters where a NB incapacitates me, a DK critical rushes with a 2h, the NB executes and ultimate and the DK does the Executioner dance. The whole time I am stun locked and have no- I repeat -- no chance at surviving the encounter. Thus, my AP gain is excruciatingly slow compared to yours. I'm glad that you can unlock all of it in a day or two. But, that isn't the case for everyone and we need ways to "compensate" for the vast gaps in "skill and experience at PvP. You'd think the bounty boards would help with that. But, they don't.

Additionally, I consider Vigor and Caltrops essential skill for classes that don't have a good combat heal ability or crowd control AOE ability.

JamieAubrey

And once in a while, blue and red team up on yellow

Come to EU TF when this happens 24/7

stevepdodson_ESO888

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

Always other servers to play on.

I think I got to Assault 6 in 16 hours of playtime, and I'm not good in PVP.



Also, INB4 'then give us PVPers a different way to leveling Undaunted'.

this is actually happening in One Tamriel update, so why not give more "non-PvP" ways to get the skills?

or in actual fact make it so the skills are only usable in PvP zones, then PvE-ers will never want/need them

You would be seriously crippling a lot of good builds with that crap. Stamina DPS pretty much NEED Vigor and Caltrops is a great skill to have. Rapid Maneuver is also nice for getting around. War Horn is used by many Tanks and Barrier is a great support Ultimate too.

The Assault and Support skill lines level quite quickly. At Alliance Rank 9 you reach Assault and Support 7, which basically unlocks every active ability. Seriously, if it gets any easier than it is you may as well just start at max Assault and Support the moment you enter Cyrodiil...

but you chose to conveniently overlook my other point that in One Tamriel you will be able to level up your Undaunted so much quicker than you right now....so why not be willing to compromise in letting non-PvPers obtain Alliance War skills more quickly

laksikus

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

Always other servers to play on.

I think I got to Assault 6 in 16 hours of playtime, and I'm not good in PVP.



Also, INB4 'then give us PVPers a different way to leveling Undaunted'.

this is actually happening in One Tamriel update, so why not give more "non-PvP" ways to get the skills?

or in actual fact make it so the skills are only usable in PvP zones, then PvE-ers will never want/need them

You would be seriously crippling a lot of good builds with that crap. Stamina DPS pretty much NEED Vigor and Caltrops is a great skill to have. Rapid Maneuver is also nice for getting around. War Horn is used by many Tanks and Barrier is a great support Ultimate too.

The Assault and Support skill lines level quite quickly. At Alliance Rank 9 you reach Assault and Support 7, which basically unlocks every active ability. Seriously, if it gets any easier than it is you may as well just start at max Assault and Support the moment you enter Cyrodiil...

but you chose to conveniently overlook my other point that in One Tamriel you will be able to level up your Undaunted so much quicker than you right now....so why not be willing to compromise in letting non-PvPers obtain Alliance War skills more quickly

How will you be able to Level undaunted without pve?

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

So Khajiit reads this as:

• You're running solo in Cyrodiil.
• You're getting ganked because you're running solo in Cyrodiil.
• You want it to be easier to get Alliance War skills because you're getting ganked running solo in Cyrodiil.

OK, so Khajiit has some tips for the walker. Enter a campaign which is hotly contested, if xBox EU it's Scourge etc..

Walkers on your server can tell you.

Then go in to text chat and type lfg when in the gate in this campaign. Another humble walker may then throw out an invite.
Lastly, ensure you're with the group. You're much more likely to survive when with the group, and thus earn AP. It's the Wildebeest that strays from the safety of the group which is targeted by the lions.

Humble Khajiit hopes that this helps you to get the AP you need on the character, and may your road lead you to warm sands.

DRXHarbinger

Lol its like 60 kills to vigor. Easy. Go sewers and camp dc bone shard farm and kill for an hour or so and it's done.

I'd bet after ever gank you go riding into thr same spot over and over going back for more.

In Cyro tip for ap.

Type lfg and get in the group. Find the group and leave it but follow them...reason is..1 kill 2k ap tops. You'll get half of it, thier group gets half but split over all of them. If you stay in a huge group you get minimal ap except for keep defense...stalk the zerg solo and you'll always take huge chunks of ap off them.

JungleBoot

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

So Khajiit reads this as:

• You're running solo in Cyrodiil.
• You're getting ganked because you're running solo in Cyrodiil.
• You want it to be easier to get Alliance War skills because you're getting ganked running solo in Cyrodiil.

OK, so Khajiit has some tips for the walker. Enter a campaign which is hotly contested, if xBox EU it's Scourge etc..

Walkers on your server can tell you.

Then go in to text chat and type lfg when in the gate in this campaign. Another humble walker may then throw out an invite.
Lastly, ensure you're with the group. You're much more likely to survive when with the group, and thus earn AP. It's the Wildebeest that strays from the safety of the group which is targeted by the lions.

Humble Khajiit hopes that this helps you to get the AP you need on the character, and may your road lead you to warm sands.

I think I am finally hearing from Mai'k the Liar. No, I think I have actually spotted him. Where's my forum achievement of 50 points?

I like this response. It's funny. And I do this and don't disagree. But, here is my problem. I am in the Aldmeri Alliance - yellow. I have no way to determine which server is best for AD activity. And I'm not talking about players who hop on their AD character for an hour of two and take Keeps XYZ and then jump on their opposing characters and retake said keeps because those individuals are the "few" regulars doing so every day. On top of that, you have players who log in with their "AD" characters and do everything they can to be a detriment to the efforts of AD -- like grabbing the scroll and heading toward the other factions territory. That kind of stuff turns players off. Like I stated, Cyrodill is controlled largely by a standard set of players whether it is 100 players, a 1K players, or 10K players. The rest of us find it very frustrating and off putting.

Qoulohn

You also get AP doing the quests in the towns in Cyrodiil - Like Vlastrus/Cropsford etc - not on every quest though. I saw one of my level 20 alts get 400+ AP in addition to the EXP Points.

But Grouping and staying with the group is by far the best way to get AP. Staying with the group is important.

Scan and visit each Keep your alliance owns gives opportunities to gain AP by repairing keeps when they upgrade - I know of a few characters who only gain AP this way. Sometimes 6000+ AP if you can monitor the keep and are the sole repairer in that keep.

The PvP Skill line is way too easy now - used to be very hard to make your way up through the levels, so you had a sense of achievement when you did finally get Vigor or Caltropes.

VoiDGhOs7

WTB old system when you had to actually do pvp instead of spamming rapid regen and get your proxy or vigor in one or two evenings by zergballing.

Pchela

Qoulohn wrote: »

You also get AP doing the quests in the towns in Cyrodiil - Like Vlastrus/Cropsford etc - not on every quest though. I saw one of my level 20 alts get 400+ AP in addition to the EXP Points.

But Grouping and staying with the group is by far the best way to get AP. Staying with the group is important.

Scan and visit each Keep your alliance owns gives opportunities to gain AP by repairing keeps when they upgrade - I know of a few characters who only gain AP this way. Sometimes 6000+ AP if you can monitor the keep and are the sole repairer in that keep.

The PvP Skill line is way too easy now - used to be very hard to make your way up through the levels, so you had a sense of achievement when you did finally get Vigor or Caltropes.

That 400ap may have been a defense tick, as you certainly do not get AP for completing quests in towns.