[Video] Magicka Sorcerer Outnumbered PvP Featuring FRIGHT, Congress Woman

LeifErickson

I use Engine Guardian because it was recommended to me by a friend and this patch is the first time I have played magicka sorc so I didn't want to spend a bunch of time theorycrafting and wanted to just get out there and start playing. So far I like it a lot. I personally would have sustain problems without it, but maybe I just haven't got the best resource management yet. At 0:24 and 6:24 you can see that I haven't even fully leveled my weapons yet. I just followed the advice of friends and asked them for help and advice and Engine Guardian was one piece of advice.

Lord_Hev

The-Baconator wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

You're kidding, right?

Sorc has great passives.

5% reduced cost
10% mag recovery
10% health and stam recovery with deadric summoning abilities slotted.

Sorcerer has the 2nd best sustain passives in the game, you're better off with 1 kena 1 bloodspawn for mag sorc over engine guardian.

Let me rephrase that a little. Considering that classes like NB and Templar heal themselves while attacking (as a base effect of the skills), and dks recover stamina when casting earthen heart abilities or ultimates, sorcs lack the connected resource recovery while attacking.

Surge is fairly effective, I do like it quite a bit in pve, but in pvp that throttled healing requires you to use shields to offset damage (which eats magicka while keeping no pressure on the enemy) and shields get consumed very quickly even with 1 good player attacking you.

Dark conversion (either morph) is very powerful, however it doesn't really work well in direct combat. If you are lucky you can get one or two off with LoS, which for STAM sorcs means they can keep going with renewed resources, but mag sorcs will either simply drain their magicka for additional blocking or gimp their CC break capabilities with dark exchange.

So sorcs can either run regen builds with lich or full regen jewelry or get stuck heavy attacking, or run EG and maintain a mostly damage build.

Funnily enough, the sorcs I know who run kena/bs or other varities of builds that don't use EG are all damage builds with enough sustain to stay competitive with the top tier players.

Meanwhile in NA everyone uses EG, it seems to me that NA players are either lazy or bad (I know of some good NA players, yet the sorcs in NA run EG of all sets lol...) and are just weakening their builds.

I would love to know how an "all damage build" sorc is supposed to sustain against a stam build that has any clue what they're doing, especially if they're using poisons.

I do it all the time. Only 800 regen to boot.

ToRelax

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KisoValley wrote: »

loki547 wrote: »

@KisoValley German is average at best. That being said he's light years ahead of any EU sorc I've seen.

Which EU sorcs have you seen though? Because the best sorc in EU doesn't stream or make YT vids to my knowledge. I wonder who you know of in EU, i'm almost certain I'm going to laugh when you mention names.

Who. Are. You. >_>

Mythk

KisoValley wrote: »

Assume you're referring to German using EG (when he isn't trolling like in this vid) but watching him doesn't impress me at all so if he's the reason NA sorcs are running EG I can only assume most of NA's sorcs are average at best.

Yes, I often wonder the same thing. My *at best* mediocrity somehow inspired an entire meta :c

I guess people are just trying to achieve the same level of averageness as me
Hopefully one day I will be able to impress my master @KisoValley!

NedicWildling

Every time I see a sorc with EG i think of this comment by Jago on a German's video, it's probably nothing but an inside joke or something.

LeifErickson

NedicWildling wrote: »

Every time I see a sorc with EG i think of this comment by Jago on a German's video, it's probably nothing but an inside joke or something.

Honestly sounds like he is saying it is bugged or something. Hopefully that's not the case or I'll have to find a new set.

Erock25

NedicWildling wrote: »

Every time I see a sorc with EG i think of this comment by Jago on a German's video, it's probably nothing but an inside joke or something.

He controls when and what type of proc he gets of course through skill.

Sypher

Nothing wrong with using EG.

What's with the Jago comment though? Can someone elaborate.

BurritoESO

Is it just me or are you getting carried by that Congress Woman?

LeifErickson

BurritoESO wrote: »

Is it just me or are you getting carried by that Congress Woman?

Yeah man. Congress Woman appeared on the top NA PC players list so she has got to be good.

The-Baconator

Lord_Hev wrote: »

The-Baconator wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

You're kidding, right?

Sorc has great passives.

5% reduced cost
10% mag recovery
10% health and stam recovery with deadric summoning abilities slotted.

Sorcerer has the 2nd best sustain passives in the game, you're better off with 1 kena 1 bloodspawn for mag sorc over engine guardian.

Let me rephrase that a little. Considering that classes like NB and Templar heal themselves while attacking (as a base effect of the skills), and dks recover stamina when casting earthen heart abilities or ultimates, sorcs lack the connected resource recovery while attacking.

Surge is fairly effective, I do like it quite a bit in pve, but in pvp that throttled healing requires you to use shields to offset damage (which eats magicka while keeping no pressure on the enemy) and shields get consumed very quickly even with 1 good player attacking you.

Dark conversion (either morph) is very powerful, however it doesn't really work well in direct combat. If you are lucky you can get one or two off with LoS, which for STAM sorcs means they can keep going with renewed resources, but mag sorcs will either simply drain their magicka for additional blocking or gimp their CC break capabilities with dark exchange.

So sorcs can either run regen builds with lich or full regen jewelry or get stuck heavy attacking, or run EG and maintain a mostly damage build.

Funnily enough, the sorcs I know who run kena/bs or other varities of builds that don't use EG are all damage builds with enough sustain to stay competitive with the top tier players.

Meanwhile in NA everyone uses EG, it seems to me that NA players are either lazy or bad (I know of some good NA players, yet the sorcs in NA run EG of all sets lol...) and are just weakening their builds.

I would love to know how an "all damage build" sorc is supposed to sustain against a stam build that has any clue what they're doing, especially if they're using poisons.

I do it all the time. Only 800 regen to boot.

Sorry for the late reply but I missed it. Dual wield sorc (which just browsing your videos appears to be the main style you play) has much lower magicka demands that that of a destro resto sorc. From someone that ran an 800 recov dw build briefly with success I cannot fathom running less than 1.8k recov open world on a destro resto sorc now. Its not bad against a couple baddies with a magicka build mixed in but once you don't have a magicka build to feed you resources through your harness it gets REALLY rough even with constant pot use.

donJay

What if German used EG as a prank to see if he can inspire the whole sorc meta by himself, thus proving he is worshipped by the masses in NA. Prank master German 10/10

Lord_Hev

The-Baconator wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

The-Baconator wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

You're kidding, right?

Sorc has great passives.

5% reduced cost
10% mag recovery
10% health and stam recovery with deadric summoning abilities slotted.

Sorcerer has the 2nd best sustain passives in the game, you're better off with 1 kena 1 bloodspawn for mag sorc over engine guardian.

Let me rephrase that a little. Considering that classes like NB and Templar heal themselves while attacking (as a base effect of the skills), and dks recover stamina when casting earthen heart abilities or ultimates, sorcs lack the connected resource recovery while attacking.

Surge is fairly effective, I do like it quite a bit in pve, but in pvp that throttled healing requires you to use shields to offset damage (which eats magicka while keeping no pressure on the enemy) and shields get consumed very quickly even with 1 good player attacking you.

Dark conversion (either morph) is very powerful, however it doesn't really work well in direct combat. If you are lucky you can get one or two off with LoS, which for STAM sorcs means they can keep going with renewed resources, but mag sorcs will either simply drain their magicka for additional blocking or gimp their CC break capabilities with dark exchange.

So sorcs can either run regen builds with lich or full regen jewelry or get stuck heavy attacking, or run EG and maintain a mostly damage build.

Funnily enough, the sorcs I know who run kena/bs or other varities of builds that don't use EG are all damage builds with enough sustain to stay competitive with the top tier players.

Meanwhile in NA everyone uses EG, it seems to me that NA players are either lazy or bad (I know of some good NA players, yet the sorcs in NA run EG of all sets lol...) and are just weakening their builds.

I would love to know how an "all damage build" sorc is supposed to sustain against a stam build that has any clue what they're doing, especially if they're using poisons.

I do it all the time. Only 800 regen to boot.

Sorry for the late reply but I missed it. Dual wield sorc (which just browsing your videos appears to be the main style you play) has much lower magicka demands that that of a destro resto sorc. From someone that ran an 800 recov dw build briefly with success I cannot fathom running less than 1.8k recov open world on a destro resto sorc now. Its not bad against a couple baddies with a magicka build mixed in but once you don't have a magicka build to feed you resources through your harness it gets REALLY rough even with constant pot use.

That is true. If you are willing to incorporate Dark Deal into your set-up, you can manage with as low as 1300 regen. And in some cases from my experience with such a set-up, I could kite superior to a meta sorc build by virtue of Dark Deal. But it can be very situational, and impractical against a competent sword and board Stam build that keeps pressure on you. But I will agree, the most optimal set-up for a destro/resto build would be to focus more on sustain rather then damage.


Dark Deal is underrated. It is very risky, but it synergizes nicely with a damage focused build if you are willing to take that risk.

Erudition

Great video.