[Video] Magicka Sorcerer Outnumbered PvP Featuring FRIGHT, Congress Woman

LeifErickson

Hey guys,

This is my first magicka sorc video. I didn't have all my skills leveled and did not have undaunted which is why my shields were lower than what you might usually see. I hope you enjoy the video and let me know what you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDoFr7r9mbU

joe.smith21b14_ESO

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WillhelmBlack

Likey

LeifErickson

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

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WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Likey

Thanks guys! I'm glad you liked it.

stealthyevil

Good stuff

Lord_Hev

@ 3:00, Don't follow the sorc lol.

Nihang

double sorc mine stack aint something you mess with good stuff man!

Drummerx04

Every time I see one of these videos I always wonder where you find these scrubbiest of scrub players to come at you 8v2 and still lose.

Where was the constant stream of crit rushes into dawnbreakers with 3 people's poison injection constantly ticking away, or the NB fears, or the seemingly unlimited dodge rolling, or the other triple shield stacking sorcs with engine guardian or the talons/encase/bombard/snare every 3 seconds.

I think that's what's so irritating/interesting about pvp for me. The difference between fighting players who are coordinated and skilled, vs fighting the people in this video is so vast, that it might as well not even be the same game.

Occasionally, I too get lucky and clear 12 hostiles out of a friendly keep with the help of maybe 2 other DC. Other times, I run into that tank/burst/lockdown player that vigor/rally ticks to full every 3 seconds that won't die after 4 minutes of me and 5 other people beating on him.

Anyway, nice video in the end.

KisoValley

Someone really needs to explain to me NA's magsorc's fascination with EG lol.

olsborg

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Every time I see one of these videos I always wonder where you find these scrubbiest of scrub players to come at you 8v2 and still lose.

Where was the constant stream of crit rushes into dawnbreakers with 3 people's poison injection constantly ticking away, or the NB fears, or the seemingly unlimited dodge rolling, or the other triple shield stacking sorcs with engine guardian or the talons/encase/bombard/snare every 3 seconds.

I think that's what's so irritating/interesting about pvp for me. The difference between fighting players who are coordinated and skilled, vs fighting the people in this video is so vast, that it might as well not even be the same game.

Occasionally, I too get lucky and clear 12 hostiles out of a friendly keep with the help of maybe 2 other DC. Other times, I run into that tank/burst/lockdown player that vigor/rally ticks to full every 3 seconds that won't die after 4 minutes of me and 5 other people beating on him.

Anyway, nice video in the end.

@Drummerx04 This happens to everyone all the time, but noone wants to see a video of that. Ppl wanna see slaughter, and most people get to do that too.

Drummerx04

KisoValley wrote: »

Someone really needs to explain to me NA's magsorc's fascination with EG lol.

Start a magsorc and look for class passives for sustain or resource recovery. That should answer your question.

Drummerx04

olsborg wrote: »

@Drummerx04 This happens to everyone all the time, but noone wants to see a video of that. Ppl wanna see slaughter, and most people get to do that too.

A fair point. My small group experience is generally summarized by

1. Take a resource
2. Pact Militia guild raid shows up
3. Attempt to flee
4. 12 people 60% unpurgeable snare with gap closers while the other 12 fire from range.
5. respawn

So success videos always lead to envy lol.

LeifErickson

Thanks for the kind words guys!

@Drummerx04 Basically what @olsborg said. I do run across those "balanced" builds with viper veli, or black rose, or ebolaplar. It would not be fun to watch me trying to kill a black rose user for 10 minutes or getting "balanced" by a viper veli build.

Lexxypwns

Drummerx04 wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Someone really needs to explain to me NA's magsorc's fascination with EG lol.

Start a magsorc and look for class passives for sustain or resource recovery. That should answer your question.

You're kidding, right?

Sorc has great passives.

5% reduced cost
10% mag recovery
10% health and stam recovery with deadric summoning abilities slotted.

Sorcerer has the 2nd best sustain passives in the game, you're better off with 1 kena 1 bloodspawn for mag sorc over engine guardian.

loki547

zzzzzzzzz

dashima

KisoValley wrote: »

Someone really needs to explain to me NA's magsorc's fascination with EG lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0ehIb17MI

Drummerx04

Lexxypwns wrote: »

You're kidding, right?

Sorc has great passives.

5% reduced cost
10% mag recovery
10% health and stam recovery with deadric summoning abilities slotted.

Sorcerer has the 2nd best sustain passives in the game, you're better off with 1 kena 1 bloodspawn for mag sorc over engine guardian.

Let me rephrase that a little. Considering that classes like NB and Templar heal themselves while attacking (as a base effect of the skills), and dks recover stamina when casting earthen heart abilities or ultimates, sorcs lack the connected resource recovery while attacking.

Surge is fairly effective, I do like it quite a bit in pve, but in pvp that throttled healing requires you to use shields to offset damage (which eats magicka while keeping no pressure on the enemy) and shields get consumed very quickly even with 1 good player attacking you.

Dark conversion (either morph) is very powerful, however it doesn't really work well in direct combat. If you are lucky you can get one or two off with LoS, which for STAM sorcs means they can keep going with renewed resources, but mag sorcs will either simply drain their magicka for additional blocking or gimp their CC break capabilities with dark exchange.

So sorcs can either run regen builds with lich or full regen jewelry or get stuck heavy attacking, or run EG and maintain a mostly damage build.

KisoValley

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

You're kidding, right?

Sorc has great passives.

5% reduced cost
10% mag recovery
10% health and stam recovery with deadric summoning abilities slotted.

Sorcerer has the 2nd best sustain passives in the game, you're better off with 1 kena 1 bloodspawn for mag sorc over engine guardian.

Let me rephrase that a little. Considering that classes like NB and Templar heal themselves while attacking (as a base effect of the skills), and dks recover stamina when casting earthen heart abilities or ultimates, sorcs lack the connected resource recovery while attacking.

Surge is fairly effective, I do like it quite a bit in pve, but in pvp that throttled healing requires you to use shields to offset damage (which eats magicka while keeping no pressure on the enemy) and shields get consumed very quickly even with 1 good player attacking you.

Dark conversion (either morph) is very powerful, however it doesn't really work well in direct combat. If you are lucky you can get one or two off with LoS, which for STAM sorcs means they can keep going with renewed resources, but mag sorcs will either simply drain their magicka for additional blocking or gimp their CC break capabilities with dark exchange.

So sorcs can either run regen builds with lich or full regen jewelry or get stuck heavy attacking, or run EG and maintain a mostly damage build.

Funnily enough, the sorcs I know who run kena/bs or other varities of builds that don't use EG are all damage builds with enough sustain to stay competitive with the top tier players.

Meanwhile in NA everyone uses EG, it seems to me that NA players are either lazy or bad (I know of some good NA players, yet the sorcs in NA run EG of all sets lol...) and are just weakening their builds.

KisoValley

dashima wrote: »

KisoValley wrote: »

Someone really needs to explain to me NA's magsorc's fascination with EG lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0ehIb17MI

Assume you're referring to German using EG (when he isn't trolling like in this vid) but watching him doesn't impress me at all so if he's the reason NA sorcs are running EG I can only assume most of NA's sorcs are average at best.

loki547

@KisoValley German is average at best. That being said he's light years ahead of any EU sorc I've seen.

Perpetuation

loki547 wrote: »

@KisoValley German is average at best. That being said he's light years ahead of any EU sorc I've seen.

I'm so confused I thought you two hated each other? Maybe my salt tracker malfunctioned
Also NA- 1 EU- 0

Eirella

I love the music (the first song in particular!). Also liked the video, nice seeing mag sorcs ^_^

Lord_Hev

Drummerx04 wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

@Drummerx04 This happens to everyone all the time, but noone wants to see a video of that. Ppl wanna see slaughter, and most people get to do that too.

A fair point. My small group experience is generally summarized by

1. Take a resource
2. Pact Militia guild raid shows up
3. Attempt to flee
4. 12 people 60% unpurgeable snare with gap closers while the other 12 fire from range.
5. respawn

So success videos always lead to envy lol.

"small group"

Define "small group." Whenever I see you, you are with a zerg Xv1ing me while i'm solo or duo taking a resource. Not just zerg Xv1ing me, the group you run with actually stealth bombs solo players.... like lol.


You cannot find the type of fights you see in this video if all you do is run with large groups, or surf them. My friendly advice to you.

Skitttles

Where are your tabards?

Drummerx04

Lord_Hev wrote: »

"small group"

Define "small group." Whenever I see you, you are with a zerg Xv1ing me while i'm solo or duo taking a resource. Not just zerg Xv1ing me, the group you run with actually stealth bombs solo players.... like lol.


You cannot find the type of fights you see in this video if all you do is run with large groups, or surf them. My friendly advice to you.

small group: Groups of size <= 4.

I'm curious whether you are thinking of the correct character, but yeah the large group I typically run with during prime time will capture a resource and set an ambush for other large groups to essentially test the response time of enemy factions before a keep take. When a solo or small group shows up, it wouldn't make sense to just let them have it, so we'll go ahead and kill them too until they either request more help from zone, or stop coming back.

Having said that, it is worth pointing out that I can run with large OR small groups at different times. I do not need to do only one or the other exclusively.
I occasionally run pvp in the off hours with one or two other players and we'll skirt around cyrodiil looking for fights just like any other small group would, and they end up being some of the most enjoyable fights I can remember. I'm not surprised we don't run into each other during these times since our typical go to spots for small scale combat do not really overlap.

Rylana

KisoValley wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

You're kidding, right?

Sorc has great passives.

5% reduced cost
10% mag recovery
10% health and stam recovery with deadric summoning abilities slotted.

Sorcerer has the 2nd best sustain passives in the game, you're better off with 1 kena 1 bloodspawn for mag sorc over engine guardian.

Let me rephrase that a little. Considering that classes like NB and Templar heal themselves while attacking (as a base effect of the skills), and dks recover stamina when casting earthen heart abilities or ultimates, sorcs lack the connected resource recovery while attacking.

Surge is fairly effective, I do like it quite a bit in pve, but in pvp that throttled healing requires you to use shields to offset damage (which eats magicka while keeping no pressure on the enemy) and shields get consumed very quickly even with 1 good player attacking you.

Dark conversion (either morph) is very powerful, however it doesn't really work well in direct combat. If you are lucky you can get one or two off with LoS, which for STAM sorcs means they can keep going with renewed resources, but mag sorcs will either simply drain their magicka for additional blocking or gimp their CC break capabilities with dark exchange.

So sorcs can either run regen builds with lich or full regen jewelry or get stuck heavy attacking, or run EG and maintain a mostly damage build.

Funnily enough, the sorcs I know who run kena/bs or other varities of builds that don't use EG are all damage builds with enough sustain to stay competitive with the top tier players.

Meanwhile in NA everyone uses EG, it seems to me that NA players are either lazy or bad (I know of some good NA players, yet the sorcs in NA run EG of all sets lol...) and are just weakening their builds.

Kena/Spawn damage spec reporting in.

Havent really played the sorc much lately, the last month or so, but didnt really change much from what the metagamers copycatted us all using back in 1.6.

Hell I dont think ive actually changed the build since then, in retrospect.

And to be fair, magicka sorc today is a far cry from where it was six-eight months ago. The class itself hasnt changed, they still do all the things they always did at the level they always have, but the stam meta has overpowered them as the go-to strong class. Its been kinda nice seeing the FOTM crowd shy away from a class that in the big picture is actually among the most difficult to play today.

To see it done well, is a rarity more often than not, in the current state of the game.

KisoValley

loki547 wrote: »

@KisoValley German is average at best. That being said he's light years ahead of any EU sorc I've seen.

Which EU sorcs have you seen though? Because the best sorc in EU doesn't stream or make YT vids to my knowledge. I wonder who you know of in EU, i'm almost certain I'm going to laugh when you mention names.

KisoValley

Perpetuation wrote: »

loki547 wrote: »

@KisoValley German is average at best. That being said he's light years ahead of any EU sorc I've seen.

I'm so confused I thought you two hated each other? Maybe my salt tracker malfunctioned
Also NA- 1 EU- 0

Who hated who? Me/Loki? I have no problem with Loki because I don't know him lol. Me and German? Again I don't know him so I don't have a problem with him, just heard the stories of him cheating, as well as watching his play.

Unless you mean Loki/German, in which case please do share the gossip.

Not sure what NA vs EU has to do with this either lol. If we're competing, lets focus on the Ryder Cup coming up at the end of the month. IIRC, EU has won 3 ina row. Step up your game noobs.

The-Baconator

KisoValley wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

You're kidding, right?

Sorc has great passives.

5% reduced cost
10% mag recovery
10% health and stam recovery with deadric summoning abilities slotted.

Sorcerer has the 2nd best sustain passives in the game, you're better off with 1 kena 1 bloodspawn for mag sorc over engine guardian.

Let me rephrase that a little. Considering that classes like NB and Templar heal themselves while attacking (as a base effect of the skills), and dks recover stamina when casting earthen heart abilities or ultimates, sorcs lack the connected resource recovery while attacking.

Surge is fairly effective, I do like it quite a bit in pve, but in pvp that throttled healing requires you to use shields to offset damage (which eats magicka while keeping no pressure on the enemy) and shields get consumed very quickly even with 1 good player attacking you.

Dark conversion (either morph) is very powerful, however it doesn't really work well in direct combat. If you are lucky you can get one or two off with LoS, which for STAM sorcs means they can keep going with renewed resources, but mag sorcs will either simply drain their magicka for additional blocking or gimp their CC break capabilities with dark exchange.

So sorcs can either run regen builds with lich or full regen jewelry or get stuck heavy attacking, or run EG and maintain a mostly damage build.

Funnily enough, the sorcs I know who run kena/bs or other varities of builds that don't use EG are all damage builds with enough sustain to stay competitive with the top tier players.

Meanwhile in NA everyone uses EG, it seems to me that NA players are either lazy or bad (I know of some good NA players, yet the sorcs in NA run EG of all sets lol...) and are just weakening their builds.

I would love to know how an "all damage build" sorc is supposed to sustain against a stam build that has any clue what they're doing, especially if they're using poisons. As for EG, its really strong in 1vX against potatos or decentish stam players that are overly confident that they're just going to roll over you because you're outnumbered. It's definatly not BiS for all scenarios but it defiantly has its place.

LeifErickson

Skitttles wrote: »

Where are your tabards?

I actually haven't even bought them yet. Don't tell Kena.

LeifErickson

loki547 wrote: »

zzzzzzzzz

I'm guessing you had to check to make sure you weren't in this one this time.

Luckily my sorc is DC.