Stop bagging on siege

God_flakes

It is fun. A well placed chunk of meat can be very gratifying. And it does take strategy and skill to follow and hit the moving herds with it en masse. So those of you griping about it just stop being so snooty. Kthnx.

Crispen_Longbow

I concure. It takes skill, with your meat, to hit the sweet spot that causes an explosion of gratification.

Wait are we still talking about siege?

Reverb

This is...not what I expected.

Satiar

Siege is cancer.

+1 for well placed chunks of meat tho

Rohamad_Ali

@Ch4mpTW

Here's your rated M content .

THEDKEXPERIENCE

God_flakes wrote: »

It is fun. A well placed chunk of meat can be very gratifying. And it does take strategy and skill to follow and hit the moving herds with it en masse. So those of you griping about it just stop being so snooty. Kthnx.

Is this a thing? I got a gripe with people who don't use seige. I go through 50 stone trebs in a weekend, and at least 5 camps.

Recremen

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is fun. A well placed chunk of meat can be very gratifying. And it does take strategy and skill to follow and hit the moving herds with it en masse. So those of you griping about it just stop being so snooty. Kthnx.

Is this a thing? I got a gripe with people who don't use seige. I go through 50 stone trebs in a weekend, and at least 5 camps.

OP is talking about setting down siege in the middle of a fight with the sole intent of hitting a player. At least, as far as I can tell. I've never heard a person complain that someone was hitting a wall with siege. The cheesy thing is to set down a siege line in the middle of like, an open field. Sure, it can be fun to hit people like that, but it kind of speaks to your ability to use your class/weapon skills when your first thought in the middle of a fight is to be a point-and-click hero.

PenguinInACan

Recremen wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is fun. A well placed chunk of meat can be very gratifying. And it does take strategy and skill to follow and hit the moving herds with it en masse. So those of you griping about it just stop being so snooty. Kthnx.

Is this a thing? I got a gripe with people who don't use seige. I go through 50 stone trebs in a weekend, and at least 5 camps.

OP is talking about setting down siege in the middle of a fight with the sole intent of hitting a player. At least, as far as I can tell. I've never heard a person complain that someone was hitting a wall with siege. The cheesy thing is to set down a siege line in the middle of like, an open field. Sure, it can be fun to hit people like that, but it kind of speaks to your ability to use your class/weapon skills when your first thought in the middle of a fight is to be a point-and-click hero.

Using siege in an open field fight isn't just point and click. If you are fighting someone organized it takes a lot of timing and knowledge of the enemy class rotations. I.e are they purging, mostly stam, mostly mag, heal heavy, not mobile, very mobile.

All the things you need to know without siege also help when determining which type of siege to use, when to drop it, when to fire it, where to aim it, and when to get off it and assist with your class skills.

Used properly siege is a compliment to class/weapon ability skill, and shouldn't be a replacement.

Lexxypwns

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Using siege in an open field fight isn't just point and click.

But it is, though.

PenguinInACan

Lexxypwns wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Using siege in an open field fight isn't just point and click.

But it is, though.

So are bows/desto/resto. Everybody points and clicks with a class skill. I'm not disputing that the general use of siege now is spammy and skill-less. I'm just saying it can also be used skillfully and shouldn't be discounted as just something that requires zero game knowledge/ability to use properly.

God_flakes

Recremen wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is fun. A well placed chunk of meat can be very gratifying. And it does take strategy and skill to follow and hit the moving herds with it en masse. So those of you griping about it just stop being so snooty. Kthnx.

Is this a thing? I got a gripe with people who don't use seige. I go through 50 stone trebs in a weekend, and at least 5 camps.

OP is talking about setting down siege in the middle of a fight with the sole intent of hitting a player. At least, as far as I can tell. I've never heard a person complain that someone was hitting a wall with siege. The cheesy thing is to set down a siege line in the middle of like, an open field. Sure, it can be fun to hit people like that, but it kind of speaks to your ability to use your class/weapon skills when your first thought in the middle of a fight is to be a point-and-click hero.

Ummmm actually no that's not what I was talking about. I am referring to setting my meat up in a strategic location and luring many men to their deaths.

God_flakes

Lexxypwns wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Using siege in an open field fight isn't just point and click.

But it is, though.

You again.

So what if it is point and click? So are most skills. Siege requires perfectly timed aim, which does require some skill. Right?

Manoekin

God_flakes wrote: »

It is fun. A well placed chunk of meat can be very gratifying. And it does take strategy and skill to follow and hit the moving herds with it en masse. So those of you griping about it just stop being so snooty. Kthnx.

Can we bring back the lol button just for this thread? Please ZOS?

Lexxypwns

God_flakes wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Using siege in an open field fight isn't just point and click.

But it is, though.

You again.

So what if it is point and click? So are most skills. Siege requires perfectly timed aim, which does require some skill. Right?

Incorrect, seige is easy to aim, even at a mobile group and requires no knowledge of game mechanics or skill

God_flakes

Manoekin wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is fun. A well placed chunk of meat can be very gratifying. And it does take strategy and skill to follow and hit the moving herds with it en masse. So those of you griping about it just stop being so snooty. Kthnx.

Can we bring back the lol button just for this thread? Please ZOS?

Did it ever exist?

Celas_Dranacea

I'm a career siege engineer and I place anti-personnel siege expertly in any situation to help control a fight.

I realize there are the purists that like to engage other organized groups with no siege involved, but your use or lack of siege can make or break an engagement.

I for one will continue to operate my reasonably large ballista and release it's hot mess all over my enemies!

PenguinInACan

Lexxypwns wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Using siege in an open field fight isn't just point and click.

But it is, though.

You again.

So what if it is point and click? So are most skills. Siege requires perfectly timed aim, which does require some skill. Right?

Incorrect, seige is easy to aim, even at a mobile group and requires no knowledge of game mechanics or skill

Effective-ness and skill level are two contradictory things in ESO. Half of the builds running around right now are effective but require the least amount of skill to achieve. Siege is effective/can be effective without skill, but it can also be used to be even more effective with skill.

Poxheart

God_flakes wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is fun. A well placed chunk of meat can be very gratifying. And it does take strategy and skill to follow and hit the moving herds with it en masse. So those of you griping about it just stop being so snooty. Kthnx.

Is this a thing? I got a gripe with people who don't use seige. I go through 50 stone trebs in a weekend, and at least 5 camps.

OP is talking about setting down siege in the middle of a fight with the sole intent of hitting a player. At least, as far as I can tell. I've never heard a person complain that someone was hitting a wall with siege. The cheesy thing is to set down a siege line in the middle of like, an open field. Sure, it can be fun to hit people like that, but it kind of speaks to your ability to use your class/weapon skills when your first thought in the middle of a fight is to be a point-and-click hero.

Ummmm actually no that's not what I was talking about. I am referring to setting my meat up in a strategic location and luring many men to their deaths.

A trip to the doctor should clear that up for you.

God_flakes

Poxheart wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is fun. A well placed chunk of meat can be very gratifying. And it does take strategy and skill to follow and hit the moving herds with it en masse. So those of you griping about it just stop being so snooty. Kthnx.

Is this a thing? I got a gripe with people who don't use seige. I go through 50 stone trebs in a weekend, and at least 5 camps.

OP is talking about setting down siege in the middle of a fight with the sole intent of hitting a player. At least, as far as I can tell. I've never heard a person complain that someone was hitting a wall with siege. The cheesy thing is to set down a siege line in the middle of like, an open field. Sure, it can be fun to hit people like that, but it kind of speaks to your ability to use your class/weapon skills when your first thought in the middle of a fight is to be a point-and-click hero.

Ummmm actually no that's not what I was talking about. I am referring to setting my meat up in a strategic location and luring many men to their deaths.

A trip to the doctor should clear that up for you.

Even the doctor would succumb to my OP meat.

SirAndy

Recremen wrote: »

it kind of speaks to your ability to use your class/weapon skills when your first thought in the middle of a fight is to be a point-and-click hero.

Yes, it tells you that the person has probably mastered their class/weapon skills a long time ago and is now looking for a fun distraction to combat the onset of utter boredom.

dashima

ERP?

dashima

I've seen really few instances of meaningful/thoughtful siege, but sometimes it happens. Just yesterday, 3v30 on top of Ash LM, and by all means the 3 should have died, but with a couple fire ballista shots and double standards.... r1p.

The reason a lot of people get triggered at siege monkeys (including me) is because people will siege like 1-2 players or just unwittingly sit on them all day and refuse to engage like wtb pvp please.

God_flakes

dashima wrote: »

I've seen really few instances of meaningful/thoughtful siege, but sometimes it happens. Just yesterday, 3v30 on top of Ash LM, and by all means the 3 should have died, but with a couple fire ballista shots and double standards.... r1p.

The reason a lot of people get triggered at siege monkeys (including me) is because people will siege like 1-2 players or just unwittingly sit on them all day and refuse to engage like wtb pvp please.

I can fling my meat like a pro. I fling and withdraw and fling and withdraw, rinse and repeat. It is very, very effective.

Celas_Dranacea

It's very, very important guys - don't blow your load prematurely!

Satiar

Pretty much the only time I was ever ok with siege work was fighting GoS back when. They had a whole plan where tanks would split through our pushes, get to the sides and pound us with siege while the main groups dueled. We ended up countering by assigning our higher dps like AoE BBQ, Tiki and Yonkit to split off and hunt them down.

I still felt it was a cheap tactic but at least you could deal with it and counter intelligently. Nowadays you go out and end up vs 3x your number and there minions slapping down siege literally anywhere it fits. You can't counter that, beyond spamming purge and praying to Akatosh. Cheaper play does not exist save Meatbags and Unstable Wall circa 1.5 (looking at you, Alacrity!.. And Havoc too lol)

MoeCoastie

NewGen gamer logic:

If you cant hop around like a bunny while engaged in a fight, it does not require skill.

Fact:

Mortality rate when running siege is significantly higher when using siege. #RealSoldiersRunSiege

Manoekin

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Using siege in an open field fight isn't just point and click.

But it is, though.

So are bows/desto/resto. Everybody points and clicks with a class skill. I'm not disputing that the general use of siege now is spammy and skill-less. I'm just saying it can also be used skillfully and shouldn't be discounted as just something that requires zero game knowledge/ability to use properly.

Siege used as if it were an extra ability on your bar, such as shooting a meatbag before you bomb a group is smart. This has been the case since the game came out. Siege is the best AOE in the game.

When you engage in a fight out in the field or at a keep, and all you do is sit there waiting for the siege to reload slamming left click as fast as you can... honestly you're not even playing the game at that point.

MaximillianDiE

I thought we were about to find out there's a way to tbag the ganker that inevitable tries to gank you while on siege without leaving said siege... iRdisappoint!

PenguinInACan

Manoekin wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Using siege in an open field fight isn't just point and click.

But it is, though.

So are bows/desto/resto. Everybody points and clicks with a class skill. I'm not disputing that the general use of siege now is spammy and skill-less. I'm just saying it can also be used skillfully and shouldn't be discounted as just something that requires zero game knowledge/ability to use properly.

Siege used as if it were an extra ability on your bar, such as shooting a meatbag before you bomb a group is smart. This has been the case since the game came out. Siege is the best AOE in the game.

When you engage in a fight out in the field or at a keep, and all you do is sit there waiting for the siege to reload slamming left click as fast as you can... honestly you're not even playing the game at that point.

Most people now don't understand the concept of the siege cooldown, which is why siege is starting to be considered without skill. Its not a few seconds to wait while still in the siege UI for more targets. Its a time to aid in group utility through further skill debuffs/cc's/dots/heals/whatever class you are running. It's also a great opportunity to fire an adjacent siege not in cooldown to combat purges. Newer groups however mainly just see siege as point and click death machines and it leads to very easy kills when they are hit from behind the line.

Celas_Dranacea

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Using siege in an open field fight isn't just point and click.

But it is, though.

So are bows/desto/resto. Everybody points and clicks with a class skill. I'm not disputing that the general use of siege now is spammy and skill-less. I'm just saying it can also be used skillfully and shouldn't be discounted as just something that requires zero game knowledge/ability to use properly.

Siege used as if it were an extra ability on your bar, such as shooting a meatbag before you bomb a group is smart. This has been the case since the game came out. Siege is the best AOE in the game.

When you engage in a fight out in the field or at a keep, and all you do is sit there waiting for the siege to reload slamming left click as fast as you can... honestly you're not even playing the game at that point.

Most people now don't understand the concept of the siege cooldown, which is why siege is starting to be considered without skill. Its not a few seconds to wait while still in the siege UI for more targets. Its a time to aid in group utility through further skill debuffs/cc's/dots/heals/whatever class you are running. It's also a great opportunity to fire an adjacent siege not in cooldown to combat purges. Newer groups however mainly just see siege as point and click death machines and it leads to very easy kills when they are hit from behind the line.

Yes - if you constantly die like a nerd while waiting for your siege to reload because firing siege is all you do, you do not get a siege engineer Boy Scout badge.

Rylana

No, I will continue to teabag zerglings that siege my 12 man group when we are already fighting 30+

Deal with it.