Player Character Movement Speed

Shadowshire

Is there supposed to be some "normal" movement speed which is common to all of the races and/or classes?? Which races and/or classes have a passive buff that increases their movement speed??

Currently, I play an Imperial Sorcerer and a Breton Sorcerer, both at Level 50 CP 510+. Neither of them, wearing light armor and armed with staves, can keep pace in out-of-combat movement from place-to-place with either a Dragonknight or a Templar, wearing heavy armor and carrying heavy melee weapons -- whatever their respective races may be.

This has happened often in other times and places, too, in open terrain, regardless of whether it is flat or rough. It seems as though every other player's character can easily outrun mine. Don't try kiting an overpowering melee fighter in PvP, eh? There also seems to be a difference in their ability to jump (up or over) compared to the ability of my characters.

Frankly, I am fed-up with expending Stamina for sprinting just to attempt to keep up with others in the group. There are better uses for the depleted Stamina. Also, I would rather avoid using a potion that increases the maximum capacities of Health, Magicka, and Stamina, respectively, because the amounts for Health and Magicka are lower (compared to using a potion that increases only the maximum capacities for Health and Magicka).

Playing a sorcerer is challenging enough without this difference thrown in for no apparent purpose or meaning. How do you justify it??

Gargath

Check these racial skills for answer.
I had never any issue for running speed, even on magicka sorcerer. If it's inside dungeon and I see I'm lagging behind and everyone already are fighting because they are too hasty, I don't care. It's better for me to run my usual speed and reach battle with all stamina up than to reach them with stamina depleted and die being unable to roll dodge boss.

And btw Dark Exchange -> Dark Deal morph can help sorcerer in maintaining stamina if it's any problem.

juhasman

It often depends of Your bodytype and race You choosed. It's just delusion and everyone moves the same speed. I have the same thing with my short obese breton templar. It looks like he's slower then my other characters but when I move with other peoples i keep their speed.

Gargath

juhasman wrote: »

It often depends of Your bodytype and race You choosed. It's just delusion and everyone moves the same speed. I have the same thing with my short obese breton templar. It looks like he's slower then my other characters but when I move with other peoples i keep their speed.

Actually Orc with •increased Sprint speed by 10% can run faster than Breton, and I see it clearly when running with others.

Shadowshire

Gargath wrote: »

Check these racial skills for answer.
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And btw Dark Exchange -> Dark Deal morph can help sorcerer in maintaining stamina if it's any problem.

According to that website, only the Orcs have a Racial Trait passive which can increase Sprint speed up to 10%. In my experience so far, there are very few Orc characters.

The ones in the groups that outrun my Breton or Imperial are not sprinting, nor are they ordinarily using the Rapid Maneuver ability from the Alliance War Assault skill tree. (When they use that, it usually boosts my own character's speed by an amount that matches their boost, but it doesn't make us run at the same speed.)

The players tell me that they are just moving their character at the normal "run" pace, without any potions or spells. It should also be noted that all of them usually appear to be running at about the same speed together while my PC lags behind.

So the question remains, assuming that they are truthful in their replies: why does their PC move so much faster?

BTW: the Dark Deal morph is not the remedy for Stamina problems. Exchanging either Health or Magicka for Stamina is worse than exchanging Stamina to gain both Health and Magicka. The Dark Conversion morph is the only way for a sorcerer to "self heal" without using a Resto staff and expending Skill Points for one or more of its corresponding abilities and passives. And you will need to use a potion that increases your maximum Stamina capacity if you use Dark Conversion during a Veteran Group Dungeon run.

Shadowshire

juhasman wrote: »

It often depends of Your bodytype and race You choosed. It's just delusion and everyone moves the same speed. I have the same thing with my short obese breton templar. It looks like he's slower then my other characters but when I move with other peoples i keep their speed.

Oh, it is not a "delusion" when another player's character moves faster than yours, and harvests a crafting materials node before your character can even activate the Interactive Prompt.

What source of information do you have that states for a fact that a player's choice of body type has any bearing on how fast that character can run?

Player characters, like their mounts, can and do run and sprint at different speeds. Period. Whether there is any justification for giving any particular race or class that advantage is the substance of this discussion.

UltimaJoe777

The following grant an increase in movement speed and are not buffs (Minor and Major Expedition would stack with these):

Athletics (Medium Armor Passive)
Swift Warrior (Orc Racial Passive)
Windrunning (Champion Passive)
The Steed Mundus (Divines Trait Armor increases it further)
Fiord's Legacy 5-piece Set

If you have none of this you will move at the slowest pace, barring Snares.

QuebraRegra

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juhasman wrote: »

It often depends of Your bodytype and race You choosed. It's just delusion and everyone moves the same speed. I have the same thing with my short obese breton templar. It looks like he's slower then my other characters but when I move with other peoples i keep their speed.

Oh, it is not a "delusion" when another player's character moves faster than yours, and harvests a crafting materials node before your character can even activate the Interactive Prompt.

What source of information do you have that states for a fact that a player's choice of body type has any bearing on how fast that character can run?

Player characters, like their mounts, can and do run and sprint at different speeds. Period. Whether there is any justification for giving any particular race or class that advantage is the substance of this discussion.

The problem with node snatching is a thing that needs to be addressed...

Ran to some ore last night, started swinging my pick, and suddenly another player flew up, broke my animation and I got the "someone else is using this" warning thing. He took ONE swing, and ran off with the ore!

WTF?

Then I surmised that this was a server thing. He was actually there before, but could not be seen due to his horrible network latency, and the animation only registered with the server afterward.

UltimaJoe777

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Shadowshire wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

It often depends of Your bodytype and race You choosed. It's just delusion and everyone moves the same speed. I have the same thing with my short obese breton templar. It looks like he's slower then my other characters but when I move with other peoples i keep their speed.

Oh, it is not a "delusion" when another player's character moves faster than yours, and harvests a crafting materials node before your character can even activate the Interactive Prompt.

What source of information do you have that states for a fact that a player's choice of body type has any bearing on how fast that character can run?

Player characters, like their mounts, can and do run and sprint at different speeds. Period. Whether there is any justification for giving any particular race or class that advantage is the substance of this discussion.

The problem with node snatching is a thing that needs to be addressed...

Ran to some ore last night, started swinging my pick, and suddenly another player flew up, broke my animation and I got the "someone else is using this" warning thing. He took ONE swing, and ran off with the ore!

WTF?

Then I surmised that this was a server thing. He was actually there before, but could not be seen due to his horrible network latency, and the animation only registered with the server afterward.

Or he used an ability that made you unsheathe your weapons and thus cancel your gather. Pretty *** move actually. Perhaps Zenimax really SHOULD make ALL abilities NOT unsheathe your weapons when someone else buffs you...

As for the one swing thing, that's Master Gatherer.

Shadowshire

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The following grant an increase in movement speed and are not buffs (Minor and Major Expedition would stack with these):
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Windrunning (Champion Passive)
The Steed Mundus (Divines Trait Armor increases it further)
Fiord's Legacy 5-piece Set

If you have none of this you will move at the slowest pace, barring Snares.

Windrunning is not a passive trait for a skill line. At least one of my sorcs has the Windrunning buff (2%) since there are 140 Champion Points in the tree for The Lover (the buff is received when 120 points are assigned to that tree). So he has that one and still lags far behind other characters in dungeon "runs" -- where it seems the emphasis is on "run" and not much else.

Other mundus stones are far more useful, especially for boosting DPS, than using The Steed to boost a PC's running speed, and I am quite aware of the Divines trait and its effects. It is not easy to switch between mundus stones quickly. So if a PC is dedicated to some particular task for which a higher running speed is crucial, then I suppose The Steed could be justified, but it would be for an alt.

For what it's worth, I don't think that I've ever seen Fiord's Legacy pieces. Dunno whether they would be appropriate for a sorc.

UltimaJoe777

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

The following grant an increase in movement speed and are not buffs (Minor and Major Expedition would stack with these):
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Windrunning (Champion Passive)
The Steed Mundus (Divines Trait Armor increases it further)
Fiord's Legacy 5-piece Set

If you have none of this you will move at the slowest pace, barring Snares.

Windrunning is not a passive trait for a skill line. At least one of my sorcs has the Windrunning buff (2%) since there are 140 Champion Points in the tree for The Lover (the buff is received when 120 points are assigned to that tree). So he has that one and still lags far behind other characters in dungeon "runs" -- where it seems the emphasis is on "run" and not much else.

Other mundus stones are far more useful, especially for boosting DPS, than using The Steed to boost a PC's running speed, and I am quite aware of the Divines trait and its effects. It is not easy to switch between mundus stones quickly. So if a PC is dedicated to some particular task for which a higher running speed is crucial, then I suppose The Steed could be justified, but it would be for an alt.

For what it's worth, I don't think that I've ever seen Fiord's Legacy pieces. Dunno whether they would be appropriate for a sorc.

The Steed also increases Health Recovery, and you do make a valid point regarding Windrunning but I was just naming all the ways to increase movement speed lol