How to PvP like a boss

BurritoESO

Roll stam, wear black rose, stack enough damage to one shot things with dawn breaker. Roll magicka Templar, you are now a PvP demigod. Congrats! You can now completely disregard skill and finally PvP like a boss no matter who you are!
This game sucks
Buff mdk
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[Edit to remove bashing]

Ghostbane

TooskSG

You forgot that you need the right tunes. I suggest blaring this while sipping on some Cayman Jacks and smoking a Padron 7000 Maduro Toro:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeqyYvAF-rE

LeifErickson

ESO right now is 90% gear, 10% skill.

God_flakes

Sallington

Everything is fine, and Wrobel makes no bad decisions. All sets are balanced, as are magicka and stamina. Profanity can not be tolerated on the forums. There is no server-side lag, everyone needs to reset their routers.

PrinceFabious

It is an Elder Scrolls Game where gear is actually important

Skitttles

Illuminati confirmed.

JDar

The game is as balanced as it ever has been. All four classes, and their stamina and magicka variants, are viable in PvP. It's just that some people don't have the courage to play a non-meta build, nor the skills to still be good at it.

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BurritoESO

JDar wrote: »

The game is as balanced as it ever has been. All four classes, and their stamina and magicka variants, are viable in PvP. It's just that some people don't have the courage to play a non-meta build, nor the skills to still be good at it.

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I just ate an entire wall of paint chips and downed a gallon of glue because of this

magictucktuck

90% gear 10% skill? Lol

scorpiodog

JDar wrote: »

The game is as balanced as it ever has been. All four classes, and their stamina and magicka variants, are viable in PvP. It's just that some people don't have the courage to play a non-meta build, nor the skills to still be good at it.

Edited for punctuation

That's good to know. Maybe this weekend my high elf Magica Sorc is gong to dust off his Light armor and Inferno staff. He'll be heavy attacking with the staff while his two pets sweep over the enemies. O.o

Which begs the question: Why do we never see sorc pets in Cyrodil? lol

Rohamad_Ali

Skitttles wrote: »

Illuminati confirmed.

This ^ . Tinfoil boiler room technicians have cracked the fotm pricing code , discovering more time and potential revenue is spent in game whilest grinding new gear sets to be the big boss PvP 1VsX YouTube sensation and Twitch Demigod then on creating balanced sets .

OtarTheMad

I thought PvPing like a boss meant bringing this many players to a keep? Crap.

Rohamad_Ali

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I thought PvPing like a boss meant bringing this many players to a keep? Crap.

Nice Pact Militia Guild photo . Look they spread and divided into two raids .

OtarTheMad

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I thought PvPing like a boss meant bringing this many players to a keep? Crap.

Nice Pact Militia Guild photo . Look they spread and divided into two raids .

lol, thanks.

Lexxypwns

LeifErickson wrote: »

ESO right now is 90% gear, 10% skill.

I've been doing everything I can not to run Black Rose, Viper, Veli, red mountain, etc because its so cheesy, but I'm getting tired of getting killed by scrubs who suddenly can nearly 1 shot me because of gear procs, can't decide between going cancerplar or running all those trash sets.

Stoopid_Nwah

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

ESO right now is 90% gear, 10% skill.

I've been doing everything I can not to run Black Rose, Viper, Veli, red mountain, etc because its so cheesy, but I'm getting tired of getting killed by scrubs who suddenly can nearly 1 shot me because of gear procs, can't decide between going cancerplar or running all those trash sets.

I've honestly found vma to have less RNG involved than pvp lately .

Esgameplaya1

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein



These MONKEYS are laughing at people that complain about broken sets in a continually flawed game!!

Elong

magictucktuck wrote: »

90% gear 10% skill? Lol

15% concentrated power of will,
5% pleasure,
50% pain,
And a 100% reason to remember the name!

LeifErickson

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

ESO right now is 90% gear, 10% skill.

I've been doing everything I can not to run Black Rose, Viper, Veli, red mountain, etc because its so cheesy, but I'm getting tired of getting killed by scrubs who suddenly can nearly 1 shot me because of gear procs, can't decide between going cancerplar or running all those trash sets.

I've honestly found vma to have less RNG involved than pvp lately .

There isn't any RNG in vma that, if you know the mechanics, should affect a flawless run.

LeifErickson

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

ESO right now is 90% gear, 10% skill.

I've been doing everything I can not to run Black Rose, Viper, Veli, red mountain, etc because its so cheesy, but I'm getting tired of getting killed by scrubs who suddenly can nearly 1 shot me because of gear procs, can't decide between going cancerplar or running all those trash sets.

A friend of mine was trying to get me to roll a magicka templar because he is tired of all the op stamina builds and playing the not as strong magicka non templar classes (this friend being the OP). If we both duo magicka templared together, we both felt it wouldn't be untrue that we could potentially 2v16 on the reg.

ku5h

Elong wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

90% gear 10% skill? Lol

15% concentrated power of will,
5% pleasure,
50% pain,
And a 100% reason to remember the name!

Remember The Name

Stoopid_Nwah

LeifErickson wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

ESO right now is 90% gear, 10% skill.

I've been doing everything I can not to run Black Rose, Viper, Veli, red mountain, etc because its so cheesy, but I'm getting tired of getting killed by scrubs who suddenly can nearly 1 shot me because of gear procs, can't decide between going cancerplar or running all those trash sets.

I've honestly found vma to have less RNG involved than pvp lately .

There isn't any RNG in vma that, if you know the mechanics, should affect a flawless run.

Poison round: the number of times the new flowers spawn directly under my safe minder bubble is disturbing.
Inferno round: the pyromages tend to not be where it appears they are. So when I go to bash interrupt nothing happens and that dot keeps ticking away. In about five seconds they rubber band back to where they apparently were.

LeifErickson

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

ESO right now is 90% gear, 10% skill.

I've been doing everything I can not to run Black Rose, Viper, Veli, red mountain, etc because its so cheesy, but I'm getting tired of getting killed by scrubs who suddenly can nearly 1 shot me because of gear procs, can't decide between going cancerplar or running all those trash sets.

I've honestly found vma to have less RNG involved than pvp lately .

There isn't any RNG in vma that, if you know the mechanics, should affect a flawless run.

Poison round: the number of times the new flowers spawn directly under my safe minder bubble is disturbing.
Inferno round: the pyromages tend to not be where it appears they are. So when I go to bash interrupt nothing happens and that dot keeps ticking away. In about five seconds they rubber band back to where they apparently were.

The thing about what you said about the inferno round is it sounds like it is a bug so that is more of unintended RNG and I would not count that. As for the poison round, there are workarounds to prevent that from happening. Kill the minder that is not under a bubble and kill the argonian that spawns them before killing either of the other 2 minders so none can spawn under you.

Stoopid_Nwah

LeifErickson wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

ESO right now is 90% gear, 10% skill.

I've been doing everything I can not to run Black Rose, Viper, Veli, red mountain, etc because its so cheesy, but I'm getting tired of getting killed by scrubs who suddenly can nearly 1 shot me because of gear procs, can't decide between going cancerplar or running all those trash sets.

I've honestly found vma to have less RNG involved than pvp lately .

There isn't any RNG in vma that, if you know the mechanics, should affect a flawless run.

Poison round: the number of times the new flowers spawn directly under my safe minder bubble is disturbing.
Inferno round: the pyromages tend to not be where it appears they are. So when I go to bash interrupt nothing happens and that dot keeps ticking away. In about five seconds they rubber band back to where they apparently were.

The thing about what you said about the inferno round is it sounds like it is a bug so that is more of unintended RNG and I would not count that. As for the poison round, there are workarounds to prevent that from happening. Kill the minder that is not under a bubble and kill the argonian that spawns them before killing either of the other 2 minders so none can spawn under you.

Bug for sure in regards to the inferno round, but it still gives some wicked RNG in terms of if I'll be able to heal through enough. And it's seriously just as easy of a fix for the minder bubbles to just cleanse poison. It does not happen often, but when it does, it tends to be when I have just killed the closest minder so I can book it over to the ranged one. And at that time I tend to get a poison that explodes, so I avoid it while getting in my bubble because the argonian will have started his tantrum, and then I watch helplessly as a new spore pops up right under my feet. Feels pretty RNGish to me.

And you're conveniently forgetting the worst RNG of the arena: the weapon at the end, which was the bulk of the RNG I was talking about anyway.

DisgracefulMind

I think with the next patch we'll be seeing a nice variety of builds with all the gear sets that can finally be mixed and matched.

I wish players would broaden their horizons and play non cancerous builds, but honestly if ZoS wouldn't make stupid gear decisions all the time, maybe players wouldn't feel forced into these sort of builds. idk.

PenguinInACan

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I think with the next patch we'll be seeing a nice variety of builds with all the gear sets that can finally be mixed and matched.

I wish players would broaden their horizons and play non cancerous builds, but honestly if ZoS wouldn't make stupid gear decisions all the time, maybe players wouldn't feel forced into these sort of builds. idk.

I've played numerous non "standard" build combos, and every one of them dies to the FOTM builds ZoS introduced. If I try a Pelinial's hybrid templar I will still die to the FOTM stamplar 80% of the time. If I try and run an akatosh magplar I will die 90% of the time to every FOTM stam build because lvl 49 armor is crap.

There isn't build diversity in this game. You have stam with the same skill rotation or you have mag with the same skill rotation, and 7/10 stam will outplay the mag rotations.

I think there should be a hard look on how stam can heal. If you can stack healing on a stam char that is comparable to a mag char (excluding magplar) then there is an issue. How can someone beat their chest/flex and be able to outheal a meteor falling from the sky. No matter how silly it sounds, it doesn't make sense.

I don't have anything against stam builds. I can usually handle 1v1 or 1v2 stam situations, but when 2 stam players can stack the healing/dodge chance that they can AND output the damage that is available, something is wrong.

DisgracefulMind

PenguinInACan wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I think with the next patch we'll be seeing a nice variety of builds with all the gear sets that can finally be mixed and matched.

I wish players would broaden their horizons and play non cancerous builds, but honestly if ZoS wouldn't make stupid gear decisions all the time, maybe players wouldn't feel forced into these sort of builds. idk.

I've played numerous non "standard" build combos, and every one of them dies to the FOTM builds ZoS introduced. If I try a Pelinial's hybrid templar I will still die to the FOTM stamplar 80% of the time. If I try and run an akatosh magplar I will die 90% of the time to every FOTM stam build because lvl 49 armor is crap.

There isn't build diversity in this game. You have stam with the same skill rotation or you have mag with the same skill rotation, and 7/10 stam will outplay the mag rotations.

I think there should be a hard look on how stam can heal. If you can stack healing on a stam char that is comparable to a mag char (excluding magplar) then there is an issue. How can someone beat their chest/flex and be able to outheal a meteor falling from the sky. No matter how silly it sounds, it doesn't make sense.

I don't have anything against stam builds. I can usually handle 1v1 or 1v2 stam situations, but when 2 stam players can stack the healing/dodge chance that they can AND output the damage that is available, something is wrong.

I agree completely with you, wasn't saying otherwise. I was just pointing out that for players who like to mix and match gear and play around with it, we'll have more options next patch. But, yes, FOTM builds will always destroy whatever you come up with. It's mostly ZoS' fault, though, for releasing such powerful sets that everyone gets pushed into running.

I do agree also with the adjustments needed for stamina builds. It's absolutely out of control how much stamina builds do NOT have to sacrifice to remain high damage, high sustain, and tankiness. It's ridiculous.

Lexxypwns

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

ESO right now is 90% gear, 10% skill.

I've been doing everything I can not to run Black Rose, Viper, Veli, red mountain, etc because its so cheesy, but I'm getting tired of getting killed by scrubs who suddenly can nearly 1 shot me because of gear procs, can't decide between going cancerplar or running all those trash sets.

I've honestly found vma to have less RNG involved than pvp lately .

Its super lame to be beating pugs then two of them get veli procs right on top of you(I play mostly melee builds) and suddenly you're roasted with no chance to react.

LeifErickson wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

ESO right now is 90% gear, 10% skill.

I've been doing everything I can not to run Black Rose, Viper, Veli, red mountain, etc because its so cheesy, but I'm getting tired of getting killed by scrubs who suddenly can nearly 1 shot me because of gear procs, can't decide between going cancerplar or running all those trash sets.

A friend of mine was trying to get me to roll a magicka templar because he is tired of all the op stamina builds and playing the not as strong magicka non templar classes (this friend being the OP). If we both duo magicka templared together, we both felt it wouldn't be untrue that we could potentially 2v16 on the reg.

The thing about the cancerplar(and that's not all magplar builds) is that when you stack more than 1 of them they become exponentially stronger.

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I think with the next patch we'll be seeing a nice variety of builds with all the gear sets that can finally be mixed and matched.

I wish players would broaden their horizons and play non cancerous builds, but honestly if ZoS wouldn't make stupid gear decisions all the time, maybe players wouldn't feel forced into these sort of builds. idk.

I'm so excited, I lose sleep at night trying to theorycraft some fun builds that aren't going to be meta, but viable

Stoopid_Nwah

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Its super lame to be beating pugs then two of them get veli procs right on top of you(I play mostly melee builds) and suddenly you're roasted with no chance to react.

Yeah it's pretty disgusting tbh. It's also pretty easy to tell that well over half of them who run the typical vipers+veli are complete scrubs...when their sets aren't proccing they run around in circles just light attacking . Then when they realize their health is dropping, they panic hard and just start sprinting away.

For those who do get lucky procs on me, well I usually just swap out to my ganking set-up and find out how much they enjoy being insta-killed lol.

Either way, I'm excited to play around with new setups next patch. It's nice knowing that when I kill someone, it isn't due to RNG.