XBox Guild Traders

Shad0wfire99

TFW the little "council" that runs the guild traders in Mournhold creates a new guild and bids on the other stalls just so no "outsiders" can get them. If you're gonna do that, at least put SOMETHING of value in them. No purple items at all? lul

DRXHarbinger

Lol yeah. One of them even entered the same name but the word "two" afterwards. Actually I can think of 3 that have done this.

bebynnag

or incorporated two/2 into their origianl guild name or added II at the end

'officially' it is because so many people want to join these guilds they have been 'forced' to create an overflow guild...

personally i just check them for the undercutting that is pandemic within these traders & bag myself some bargains! LOL

Shad0wfire99

There's one in particular that nobody had ever heard of until two weeks ago when it suddenly popped up in Mournhold. With no real merchandise to speak of. And everyone still thinks that collusion in this system is impossible.

beekalad

EU server?

Shad0wfire99

NA

Cryptical

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

There's one in particular that nobody had ever heard of until two weeks ago when it suddenly popped up in Mournhold. With no real merchandise to speak of. And everyone still thinks that collusion in this system is impossible.

This is why one public merchant that everyone can list things on is needed. Nobody is locked out of the location from puppet guild schemes. Make it able to put 5 things up for sale, so the total number of listings after everyone uses it is still manageable.

flawless4812

Getting rid of guild traders completely is needed on xbox NA servers.....

A few people run the traders and the prices and an auction house style type of system would benefit the game more than a bunch of guys controlling the market ruling the prices.....


Force people to play the game, the top guild for pvp and pve get the benefits of the taxes from the auction house for the week

The top guild would be determined by the content or kills they record in a week or month etc......

Alot of flaws in that idea but something of the nature is needed

AverageJo3Gam3r

Sooo...do your shopping elsewhere? Seriously, free market dynamics should take care of it. Unless most players value convenience over "doing the right thing" by not shopping at unethical traders. which they do, just like real life

Shad0wfire99

I don't think a central trader is the answer. I actually like the current system, but when one guild (or a few, in this case) actively seek to keep any guilds outside of their inner circle from getting a trader in a city, that's a major problem.

Beardimus

Spot on @AverageJo3Gam3r and Mournhold are the most expensive (and laggy) traders.

XoxHANNIBALxoX

Its happening on EU too.
One in Mournhold yesterday had nothing on sale (Cant recall the guild sorry)!!!

Shad0wfire99

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Sooo...do your shopping elsewhere? Seriously, free market dynamics should take care of it. Unless most players value convenience over "doing the right thing" by not shopping at unethical traders. which they do, just like real life

Oh, you don't have to tell me. Unless I see a god-tier bargain, they don't get my gold.

Cryptical

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

I don't think a central trader is the answer. I actually like the current system, but when one guild (or a few, in this case) actively seek to keep any guilds outside of their inner circle from getting a trader in a city, that's a major problem.

A *limited* public trader. Nothing big, nothing dominant.

Markets need more than simple competition. They need more than one way for goods to flow.

Example - I live in pa. It has come to that time of year when corn is harvested. One channel for the flow of goods is from farmer to aggregator/distributor to retail grocery store. Sure, grocery store A competes with grocery store B, but they ALL follow that same channel from farmer to store register. So if the stores decided to collude to raise profits on jersey sweet corn, then the shoppers are screwed. The market for jersey sweet corn is vulnerable to price manipulation, because of that one form of supply. That market needs a second channel to keep the stores aligned with the true value of jersey sweet corn - and that second channel is the roadside stands that sell the corn straight off the field. The stores cannot succeed at price collusion because then people just go straight to the roadside stand.

There is currently no 'roadside stand' option in the eso marketplace. This makes the prices of goods vulnerable to manipulation by those with the storefronts.

Some sort of central trader, even if each person were limited to 5 listings, is exactly the answer to the issue of guild collusion. Guild collusion only succeeds because there is no effective other channel for goods.

Soundwave

Cryptical wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

I don't think a central trader is the answer. I actually like the current system, but when one guild (or a few, in this case) actively seek to keep any guilds outside of their inner circle from getting a trader in a city, that's a major problem.

A *limited* public trader. Nothing big, nothing dominant.

Markets need more than simple competition. They need more than one way for goods to flow.

Example - I live in pa. It has come to that time of year when corn is harvested. One channel for the flow of goods is from farmer to aggregator/distributor to retail grocery store. Sure, grocery store A competes with grocery store B, but they ALL follow that same channel from farmer to store register. So if the stores decided to collude to raise profits on jersey sweet corn, then the shoppers are screwed. The market for jersey sweet corn is vulnerable to price manipulation, because of that one form of supply. That market needs a second channel to keep the stores aligned with the true value of jersey sweet corn - and that second channel is the roadside stands that sell the corn straight off the field. The stores cannot succeed at price collusion because then people just go straight to the roadside stand.

There is currently no 'roadside stand' option in the eso marketplace. This makes the prices of goods vulnerable to manipulation by those with the storefronts.

Some sort of central trader, even if each person were limited to 5 listings, is exactly the answer to the issue of guild collusion. Guild collusion only succeeds because there is no effective other channel for goods.

So basically the rich controls the market prices. I am in old man meta and I go around by up gear, resell for only 50% profit. My goal is to build a place where people can on where to find what they r looking for; and only paying decent price. Everything else over 100k is pointless right now, especially when one tamriel is right around the corner.

ComboBreaker88

I think the assumption that most of you who are referencing a free market system fail to realize is that this game unlike real life can be exploited in ways a free market system isn't designed to deal with. Like the banker/writ exploit. A hamdful players exploited this for months and managed to make hundreds of millions of gold that they really didn't earn. So now you have exploiters with a virtually unlimited amount of resources messing with the system. And ZO$ did nothing to fix this. So these people who are willing to lie and cheat are now the most powerful and wealthy in the game.

Shad0wfire99

Again, this isn't only about item pricing. Dropping another 6-8 mil on a trader for a dummy guild to keep other actual trade guilds from breaking their mold is the problem.

KaleidoscopeEyz

Outbid them and get over it. Let them waste additional money or outbid them for the other stall. You have the power to stop the complaining by doing something about it. A guild can't drop 12-16 mil per week and survive forever.

Shad0wfire99

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

Outbid them and get over it. Let them waste additional money or outbid them for the other stall. You have the power to stop the complaining by doing something about it. A guild can't drop 12-16 mil per week and survive forever.

No, but 3 or 4 can.

Shad0wfire99

@ZOS_PeterT Why move this to the Guild Recruitment section?

ComboBreaker88

This topic should definitely be in the general forum.

Cryptical

There are zero guilds recruiting in this thread. Wrongful move, @ZOS_PeterT

Shad0wfire99

Best place to move it if you don't want anyone to see it.