how many player are allowed in a campaign?

Curtdogg47

Noticed that sometimes it says my faction is full yet, everywhere we go we are out numbered. Do the campaigns account for the number of people who enter the campaign as group? Or is going in as a group the way to stack the numbers in your favor?

mtwiggz

Each faction should have the same amount of capped players. As far as I know this number has never actually been revealed to us.

Unfortunately Imperial City/Sewers counts towards your campaigns player limit. As do the folks grinding delves, dolmens, collecting shards, questing, RP'ing and simply AFK'ing. If all factions are pop-locked one would assume the tides of battle would be equal. Realistically half your faction could be doing some weird Khajiit RP off in Bruma for all you know.

To further answer your question; each player in a group counts as a spot in the overall population. So a group of 24 would count as 24 not as 1.

Serjustin19

Counts mostly for those players who are in Imperial Sewers. Scourge PS4 EU is mostly locked with EP. But us DC and AD only see around 50 ep in Cyrodiil. The rest are in Imperial Sewers.

However I beleieve there is a limit in which you must wait for someone to leave for you or your group to enter the same campaign. When that very faction is locked in your campaign.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

The caps are obvious.

AD: 10,000,000
DC: 100
EP: 100

Or at least that's what the caps are in XBox NA Scourge anyway.

Side note: WHERE DID YOU ALL COME FROM?!?!?

Ayantir

max 150/ faction.
maybe 140, maybe 130.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Ayantir wrote: »

max 150/ faction.
maybe 140, maybe 130.

It has to be higher than this. You can't go 25 feet in Scourge these days without 65 AD swarming you. IC included.

Curtdogg47

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

The caps are obvious.

AD: 10,000,000
DC: 100
EP: 100

Or at least that's what the caps are in XBox NA Scourge anyway.

Side note: WHERE DID YOU ALL COME FROM?!?!?

This is where I play and it does not matter where we go or how big a group we have AD seems to have a 3-1 advantage. How can the AD have big groups at pretty much every keep? Or do they possibly have EP players telling them where EP is moving?
And while AD is outnumbering everyone up top, I tried going to the IC and the AD still out numbers in IC. SO there has to be something going on to allow there numbers to be much larger than EP or DC.

Robbmrp

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

The caps are obvious.

AD: 10,000,000
DC: 100
EP: 100

Or at least that's what the caps are in XBox NA Scourge anyway.

Side note: WHERE DID YOU ALL COME FROM?!?!?

You haven't seen the new DC group that PC NA has from Japan. It looks like this pretty much when they are online. Blue wave after blue wave....
giphy.com/gifs/running-crowd-6uJEMQ7Lw06oU

Crown

Way back when it was 2,000 players in Cyrodiil.

Now it's probably something like 250 per faction.

Agrippa_Invisus

AFAIK it's about 150ish per faction. You can count on about 20-30 of them to be sucked into IC at any time.

It used to be 300 per faction. Then 1.2.3 happened.

NACtron

Impossible to say with any certainty but it is for sure somewhere between 150-250.

NACtron

Robbmrp wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

The caps are obvious.

AD: 10,000,000
DC: 100
EP: 100

Or at least that's what the caps are in XBox NA Scourge anyway.

Side note: WHERE DID YOU ALL COME FROM?!?!?

You haven't seen the new DC group that PC NA has from Japan. It looks like this pretty much when they are online. Blue wave after blue wave....
giphy.com/gifs/running-crowd-6uJEMQ7Lw06oU

They are on Azuras right?

SirAndy

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

It used to be 300 per faction. Then 1.2.3 happened.

Actually, it used to be much more than that ...

Enodoc

According to the support page, it's 1800 players per Campaign. That's 600 players per alliance.

Karivaa

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

The caps are obvious.

AD: 10,000,000
DC: 100
EP: 100

Or at least that's what the caps are in XBox NA Scourge anyway.

Side note: WHERE DID YOU ALL COME FROM?!?!?

Haha, true story! I am guessing all the EP moved to Thornblade for some reason. I've never seen so many EP in Thornblade.

DannyLV702

Enodoc wrote: »

According to the support page, it's 1800 players per Campaign. That's 600 players per alliance.

Interesting

manny254

Enodoc wrote: »

According to the support page, it's 1800 players per Campaign. That's 600 players per alliance.

Published 03/14/2014

Edited 03/16/2015

This question has been asked many times, and Wheeler is generally stuck saying his is not allowed to directly answer. The pops have been decreased multiple times since release, and I think they are not allowed to say for PR reasons. There are going to be old articles/videos talking about the scope of Cyro, and they might fear some backlash if it revealed just how much the pops have been down scaled.

Enodoc

manny254 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

According to the support page, it's 1800 players per Campaign. That's 600 players per alliance.

Published 03/14/2014

Edited 03/16/2015

This question has been asked many times, and Wheeler is generally stuck saying his is not allowed to directly answer. The pops have been decreased multiple times since release, and I think they are not allowed to say for PR reasons. There are going to be old articles/videos talking about the scope of Cyro, and they might fear some backlash if it revealed just how much the pops have been down scaled.

That's true, but if he can't answer, why is this number still here in an official support page? If the numbers were reduced significantly, you may have thought they would change the page or remove the number from it completely. You've shown that it was edited in March 2015; maybe before that, the number was higher? Still, even if it was reduced since that last edit, it's probably still no lower than 1200 (or 400 per).

Asgari

Enodoc wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

According to the support page, it's 1800 players per Campaign. That's 600 players per alliance.

Published 03/14/2014

Edited 03/16/2015

This question has been asked many times, and Wheeler is generally stuck saying his is not allowed to directly answer. The pops have been decreased multiple times since release, and I think they are not allowed to say for PR reasons. There are going to be old articles/videos talking about the scope of Cyro, and they might fear some backlash if it revealed just how much the pops have been down scaled.

That's true, but if he can't answer, why is this number still here in an official support page? If the numbers were reduced significantly, you may have thought they would change the page or remove the number from it completely. You've shown that it was edited in March 2015; maybe before that, the number was higher? Still, even if it was reduced since that last edit, it's probably still no lower than 1200 (or 400 per).

Not possible for it to even be 400 per. My guess is with the inclusion IC it is around 200 per faction. which explains how in some servers the cyro pop feels so empty when many people are in IC or vice versa.

btw i also think the pop caps vary depending on console and NA/EU because the player population sizes vary so much.

manny254

Enodoc wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

According to the support page, it's 1800 players per Campaign. That's 600 players per alliance.

Published 03/14/2014

Edited 03/16/2015

This question has been asked many times, and Wheeler is generally stuck saying his is not allowed to directly answer. The pops have been decreased multiple times since release, and I think they are not allowed to say for PR reasons. There are going to be old articles/videos talking about the scope of Cyro, and they might fear some backlash if it revealed just how much the pops have been down scaled.

That's true, but if he can't answer, why is this number still here in an official support page? If the numbers were reduced significantly, you may have thought they would change the page or remove the number from it completely. You've shown that it was edited in March 2015; maybe before that, the number was higher? Still, even if it was reduced since that last edit, it's probably still no lower than 1200 (or 400 per).

If that number was still valid then why could Wheeler not provide that number when he was asked in the past? That number is not accurate, and what makes you say it would be no lower than 1200? It seems you are speculating just as everyone else.

raviour

its 100-120 at my guess

should be 80 to reduce lag but keep ic seperate

Rohamad_Ali

Do you guys remember when we found out EP paid less for oils ? How embarrassing for Wheeler that day . Imagine if we found out certain factions can log more people . I see no reason for these secrets . Transparency is good and helps fixes things .

Psilent

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Do you guys remember when we found out EP paid less for oils ? How embarrassing for Wheeler that day . Imagine if we found out certain factions can log more people . I see no reason for these secrets . Transparency is good and helps fixes things .

Might explain a few things...

_Chaos

@Enodoc
Stick to lore, there's not a chance in Vaermina's Quegmire that Cyrodiil holds 400/faction.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno
Can you have the website team edit the official support page to either get rid of that 1800 player capacity, or have it updated to the current, realistic numbers?

geonsocal

I'm on ps4/na/scourge...I have 6 characters (2 each side) all with at least 120k AP for the campaign...my ranking goes from about 1,000 to 1,500 per character within the different alliances,..when I started my last character into the current campaign (it was already about 10 days old) my rank was around 3,400...

how many are actually on at any given time???

fastolfv_ESO

no 2 alliances have the same cap, last time i heard anything (and this was literally over a year ago) the highest pop side can have 20% more than the 2nd and 2nd 20% more than the 3rd so 3 sides locked means nothing

jhharvest

I've estimated it's about 120 per faction. The lock icon pops up at about 100 (so you can be "pop locked" and still have about 20 players less than the enemy).

Also I'm not 100% sure but I think in some cases players who have logged out count still towards the campaign population, if they log out of Cyrodiil during very low population. At the actual pop cap you'll get booted out of Cyrodiil if you're logged out, even for a short time.

Darethran

There's no way the total player cap is ~1800, Cyrodiil is just not populated enough for it.

edges_endgame

2 years old thread...

Elsonso

Just for the record... that support page referenced by @Enodoc still says "about" 1800 players and has an edit date of 03/16/2015 11:21 AM.

Dreyloch

jhharvest wrote: »

I've estimated it's about 120 per faction. The lock icon pops up at about 100 (so you can be "pop locked" and still have about 20 players less than the enemy).

Also I'm not 100% sure but I think in some cases players who have logged out count still towards the campaign population, if they log out of Cyrodiil during very low population. At the actual pop cap you'll get booted out of Cyrodiil if you're logged out, even for a short time.

Hmnmmm, this might actually have legs. I tend to log out in Cyro myself. I wonder now if that's what's lopsiding things? If a large number logs out in Cyro rather than leaving the area for PvE land? Might be tinfoil hat, but we really don't know and ZoS isn't gonna say anything. That's for sure.

Maybe the server can "hold" the info of 1800 players, but obviously they are never on all at the same time. Regardless if they are online or not?