The Old Days

Elong

I still cry.

Xsorus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4T7jSMuYv4

I miss Twin Sisters and Undaunted Set

HoloYoitsu

RIP Toosk.

TooskSG

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

RIP Toosk.

I'm still alive. If I get any lovely messages from my dear mod friends, I will pass along your condolences. They most assuredly adore me and send me the most sublime of messages to my inbox.

Leingod

The good old days when I could hop on my mag sorc, sneak and drop a vamp w camo/silver leash in .5 secs.

ataggs

TooskSG wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

RIP Toosk.

I'm still alive. If I get any lovely messages from my dear mod friends, I will pass along your condolences. They most assuredly adore me and send me the most sublime of messages to my inbox.

Thank you for taking it for the team. I hadn't seen it yet and I am still fixing my eye makeup because I was crying laughing!

Agrippa_Invisus

I really despise some of the nostalgia I've been seeing around here lately. The "old days" were not the "good days" of ESO. ESO has remained a continuous problem child in regard to class and skill line balance.

The upcoming One Tamriel patch with its hordes of untested dungeon sets will only serve to exacerbate this instead of correct it.

HoloYoitsu

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

I really despise some of the nostalgia I've been seeing around here lately. The "old days" were not the "good days" of ESO. ESO has remained a continuous problem child in regard to class and skill line balance.

The upcoming One Tamriel patch with its hordes of untested dungeon sets will only serve to exacerbate this instead of correct it.

Not one single person reminiscing about 1.5 is saying that it was perfect ect ect, everyone has suggested 1.5 in addition to select balance components that have been made since. The thing is, 1.5 was the closest this game has had to a semblance of balance, everything since has been worse thanks to the CP system and removed soft caps.

GorraShatan

I mostly prefer today to 1.5 to be honest, though going farther back to 1.2 before the lag (I think? Or was 1.2 when the lag came?) does have some appeal.

In terms what's better today, I think:

Class/skill balance is mostly better today. It's not perfect, but at least magicka and stamina builds are each viable for each class. It's not Elder Staves Online anymore with everyone with an ounce of sense running light armour and desto/resto. It'd be nice to have more options for hybrid builds like there were though. I know Zen is trying to make that a that a thing with the new items sets they add, but so far it hasn't worked.

The lag (compared to 1.5, though not 1.2). Does everyone remember sitting in a fight where no skill would register for 10+ minutes? Yah, no thanks. The lag still isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than it was in 1.5.

Open field fights - you can't bloodport around the map anymore, so you actually get interesting and fun fights away from keeps. This is great and a big difference from 1.5 that I really enjoy.

What's worse:

Build diversity - even with more gear options out there, I feel there are a smaller number of "correct" sets people can wear to be competitive. Maybe I'm wrong here - crit builds were pretty OP in 1.5 - and maybe this will improve in One Tamriel with new and old sets in the mix. We'll see.

Ground oils - they may have been a bit stupid in terms of believably, but they were a pretty important tool in punishing zergs stacking up. It'd be really nice see them come back under a different name.

The "scale" of PvP - the absolutely huge and long keep fights that would happen in 1.5 were a lot of fun. I realize these caused issues in performance though, and were sustained by bloodporting and an over-reliance on camps though, so it may not be possible to recapture this fun without losing some of the pluses of the current meta.

HoloYoitsu

GorraShatan wrote: »

I mostly prefer today to 1.5 to be honest, though going farther back to 1.2 before the lag (I think? Or was 1.2 when the lag came?) does have some appeal.

In terms what's better today, I think:

Class/skill balance is mostly better today. It's not perfect, but at least magicka and stamina builds are each viable for each class. It's not Elder Staves Online anymore with everyone with an ounce of sense running light armour and desto/resto. It'd be nice to have more options for hybrid builds like there were though. I know Zen is trying to make that a that a thing with the new items sets they add, but so far it hasn't worked.

The lag (compared to 1.5, though not 1.2). Does everyone remember sitting in a fight where no skill would register for 10+ minutes? Yah, no thanks. The lag still isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than it was in 1.5.

Open field fights - you can't bloodport around the map anymore, so you actually get interesting and fun fights away from keeps. This is great and a big difference from 1.5 that I really enjoy.

What's worse:

Build diversity - even with more gear options out there, I feel there are a smaller number of "correct" sets people can wear to be competitive. Maybe I'm wrong here - crit builds were pretty OP in 1.5 - and maybe this will improve in One Tamriel with new and old sets in the mix. We'll see.

Ground oils - they may have been a bit stupid in terms of believably, but they were a pretty important tool in punishing zergs stacking up. It'd be really nice see them come back under a different name.

The "scale" of PvP - the absolutely huge and long keep fights that would happen in 1.5 were a lot of fun. I realize these caused issues in performance though, and were sustained by bloodporting and an over-reliance on camps though, so it may not be possible to recapture this fun without losing some of the pluses of the current meta.

I don't know how you can say 1.5 didn't have many open field fights for small groups, we honestly had more of those before FC removal, since blood porting meant that the ppl we killed didn't condense into blobs and come back to steamroll all the smallmans in the fields on their way to the next keep.

asneakybanana

GorraShatan wrote: »

I mostly prefer today to 1.5 to be honest, though going farther back to 1.2 before the lag (I think? Or was 1.2 when the lag came?) does have some appeal.

In terms what's better today, I think:

Class/skill balance is mostly better today. It's not perfect, but at least magicka and stamina builds are each viable for each class. It's not Elder Staves Online anymore with everyone with an ounce of sense running light armour and desto/resto. It'd be nice to have more options for hybrid builds like there were though. I know Zen is trying to make that a that a thing with the new items sets they add, but so far it hasn't worked.

The lag (compared to 1.5, though not 1.2). Does everyone remember sitting in a fight where no skill would register for 10+ minutes? Yah, no thanks. The lag still isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than it was in 1.5.

Open field fights - you can't bloodport around the map anymore, so you actually get interesting and fun fights away from keeps. This is great and a big difference from 1.5 that I really enjoy.

What's worse:

Build diversity - even with more gear options out there, I feel there are a smaller number of "correct" sets people can wear to be competitive. Maybe I'm wrong here - crit builds were pretty OP in 1.5 - and maybe this will improve in One Tamriel with new and old sets in the mix. We'll see.

Ground oils - they may have been a bit stupid in terms of believably, but they were a pretty important tool in punishing zergs stacking up. It'd be really nice see them come back under a different name.

The "scale" of PvP - the absolutely huge and long keep fights that would happen in 1.5 were a lot of fun. I realize these caused issues in performance though, and were sustained by bloodporting and an over-reliance on camps though, so it may not be possible to recapture this fun without losing some of the pluses of the current meta.

The lag was only fixed in the last major update or so. Before that it was way worse than 1.5. Instead of elder staves online its elder swords online now where everyone is running a stam build running 2h and bow pretty much. And as far as open field fights camps were removed in 1.5 so people weren't bloodporting other than how they bloodport now and it wasn't just an endless wave of players respawning at a camp and running into a breach over and over again until they eventually had enough players killed to force flip the keep or enough reinforcements to force flip a keep. And as Holo said this actually spread people out because many groups would be more encouraged to take a journey to a back line keep by sending 1 person there then suiciding to a camp where as now it's like herd mentality where the entire faction moves as a.group between chal and bleaks, bleaks and aleswell, brk and sej, sej and alessia, nikel and ash, and nikel and roe. Very very rarely do you see groups actively going to back line keeps to flag or flip.

TooskSG

Just an update: I'm still alive and got a most gracious message to my inbox regarding that earlier video.

JamilaRaj

Yeah, good old days, but P2W was terrible back then!!! Just the white horse and that was it!