2H Ultimate BROKEN OP! Seriously, WTH?

OGLezard

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Its PTS....

exactly, where NOTHING gets tweaked in the right way.....

mb10

My stamina nb already feels sorry for the people who are going to die with this.

Prefer it doesnt happen tbh

Rex-Umbra

Seriously broken as hell the DW one looks pretty OP as well.

Kammakazi

Okay and here's my Nightblade 2 months ago, with purple gear.

Am I freaking out and calling for nerfs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KefolrpqkBE

Dagoth_Rac

Bandit1215 wrote: »

smacx250 wrote: »

I think ults scale off whatever is stat is max, which for that character is magicka (I think around 35K at the time).

No, physical damage (including posion) scales with stamina and weapon damahe, while magical and elemental damage scales with magicka and spell damage.

The type of damage done does not determine scaling. The resource used to cast skill does:

1). Uses magicka = scales on spell damage and max magicka.
2). Uses stamina = scales on weapon damage and max stamina.
3). Uses ultimate = scales on the higher of spell damage/max magicka or weapon damage/max stamina.

So a character with 3000 weapon damage and 35000 stamina will have extremely weak Force Pulse. And a character with 3000 spell damage and 35000 max magicka will have extremely weak Wrecking Blow. But Meteor will hit for identical numbers.

CP however, can make a distance. A typical magicka build will have lots of points in Elemental Expert, raising Meteor damage by 25%. That is where the difference in damage comes from, not max stats on character sheet.

UltimaJoe777

I was hoping for something ranged, like a shockwave or something. Meh.

leepalmer95

There is a set that gives like 7k stamina on ult use, you can use this + battle roar on a stam dk to kill anything, a dwemer, pet etc... random mob to get like 16k stamina back on use and instant get your ult back.

Mortehl

Seems legit. No seriously, what I can't understand is the resist gain which makes no sense for a -weapon- ultimate. This can't possibly make it into the game.

My other problem with it is less about it and more about how it seems to favor stamina builds more. I'm glad about the last patch buildup, particularly as a Stam DK that felt over reliant on on class abilities. I expected this patch to give magicka help. Looking at the destro staff 'ultimate' just made me shake my head. Double the damage on the destro staff ultimate and we can talk.

Junipus

I too want to start another thread on a well covered topic.

thankyourat

Lol"some classes are just better than others" stamina is just better than magicka. There is really no incentive to play magicka anymore

Noobslayer3255

I agree the resistance stealing is a bit OP but people need to chill with calling this an instant one shot....this ability is still subject to Battle Spirit...so cut your 15k or whatever tooltip in half.

FloppyTouch

Why the hell they keep buffing Stam builds and giving magic nothing? Ugh I'm about done with this game if this goes live.

Cronopoly

Its not OP what are you guys talking about Templars get Jesus Beam so rightfully so Every Stam class should have...

"Finger of GOD!" I named it first dammit, step off and worship this move. It's balanced

@Alcast screenshot from his latest vid on 2H and Bow Ults on PTS

FerrumnCutem

I love it, no complaints. Tried it on my stam builds from all classes, never going back to only dawnbreaker. Hope they keep it this way.

Actually_Goku

I realise PTS are obviously there for testing, but for these kinds of indirect buffs, skills and passives etc to have even been given concept, let alone pre-implementation, says all I need to know about how out of touch with the player base @Wrobel is.

elantaura

Well I guess that ends my pvp life forever, 3 of my my characters are magic based based and although my kajhit would benefit and maybe I could take my tank I have to ask am I willing to be that guy.

WarLord2905

The 2h is so OP it's frustrating but I think all of these weapon ults are garbage anyway. Better off without them IMO.

Lucius_Aelius

So I've been thinking about it and these nnew Ultimates seem mostly not OP to me, which should always be the first priority even if the alternative is that they need a buff, but that Two Hander Ultimate.... Seriously? You give glass cannons the ability to steal all my resistance that I had to work so hard and build for (sacrificing a great deal of damage in the process)? Seriously, wtf is that? I have no problem with any other aspect of anything else I read being OP, but that right there is some crazy stupid *** if ever I've seen it, and as a person with all Hybrid Tank/DPS characters I particularly take offense to it. Way to just invalidate my entire build in PvP with this one Ultimate, now I have absolutely no reason not to switch to full Medium Armor and give up on Heavy altogether.

It's one thing to ignore my resistance with the Ultimate, that's fair, it doesn't do enough straight-up damage to be a problem and Corrosive Armor already does that better anyway by applying it to all your skills for the duration. But for me to go so far out of my way to buff my Resistance as close to the cap as possible and still do half-decent damage just to have a glass cannon not only ignore all that resistance with their Ultimate but also steal that hard-earned and dearly paid for resistance away with an equivalent buff to themselves... Even lasting for 8 seconds, that is profoundly broken and a slap in the face to anyone who tries to be separate from the glass cannon burst meta. Glass Cannons had way, way too much going for them already and Tankier builds not nearly enough, now this? Seriously ZOS, wtf.

And the Ultimate restoring isn't as good as some people are saying, 150 Ultimate isn't that much to begin with and I like the idea of it being better when you get it rather than worse more often. If this goes live I'll be going Two-Handed/Bow and full Medium Armor set of Tava's Favor, I'll have my Ultimate going off constantly and have more resistance than I do now in Heavy with way more damage overall and better healing on top, at least if this destroys my Build in PvP (I refuse to buff my enemy with my armor if I can't do it back and get just as much out of it as them) then I intend to get something out of it.

I love pretty much everything (if not everything) else that I read in the patch notes and all told this looks like an amazing update that will improve the game dramatically and set the stage for even more awesome updates to come, I don't know what to think about that Destro Ultimate and don't think the Resto staff is that good (I was hoping for something that could make non-templar Healers gave a similar quality big heals for the group, but the one person per second is useless for that) but at least there's nothing OP about them so it's a matter of buffing at the worst to get them sorted. That slap in the face to every Tanky character though... We sacrifice so much to get that resistance, giving Glass Cannons the ability to steal it for a full 8 seconds just by using a cheap Ultimate which would already be one of the best in the game without that ability is seriously and profoundly messed up.

People are going to be able to get some serious uptime on that buff with the cheap cost and long duration, and what's worse is that I can't even make good use of it myself because of how close to the cap I am already, even with my enemies using penetration anything more I get still probably goes over the cap far more than I'm able to make use of (and not that it would make this Ultimate okay but it's definitely overdue that if everything else isn't going to have caps that neither should resistance). Just get rid of the effect that allows it to steal a Tank's hard-earned resistance and this along with all the other Ultimates will be fine (or in need of a buff, too soon for me to say though especially since I'm not on PTS), but as it stands that Two Hander Ultimate is flat-out and utterly broken. Ignoring resistance and the other features are more than enough, for christ sake ZOS please be reasonable.[/quote]

Recremen

People who think it's OP to (possibly) take out one person with an Ultimate, how do y'all feel about someone taking out dozens of players in less than a second with one good proxy bomb? This is good, but outside of a dueling context you're still going to get focused down by other players if they see you slamming that much, same as always. If it's not AoE burst damage then there's still going to loads of better things to do with your ulti in a lot of PvP settings.

juhasman

I dont even want to belive that stamina weapons ultimates will be released in current form.

Cronopoly

Recremen wrote: »

People who think it's OP to (possibly) take out one person with an Ultimate, how do y'all feel about someone taking out dozens of players in less than a second with one good proxy bomb? This is good, but outside of a dueling context you're still going to get focused down by other players if they see you slamming that much, same as always. If it's not AoE burst damage then there's still going to loads of better things to do with your ulti in a lot of PvP settings.

Regarding the 2Hand - What will be interesting is that this is a Skill that everyone will have from day one, no farming required. Remember we have a Zerg ball mentality in PVP historically with Proxy, Vicious Death, Dawnbreaker and it will go on...

Entire groups will have this skill waiting to rush in. Why have Battle Spirit if abilities are going to be given to go way over the top but only if you are Stamina based.

Avenias

susmitds wrote: »

@Wrobel I am sorry, but this is ridiculous. Especially the morph which returns the entire cost to allow you to spam it.

Now you know what wep Wroboel uses most of the time! lol, just lol.

Lucky28

meanwhile the destruction staff ult is garbage. :facepalm

Ihatenightblades

Umm ya u should have made this a poll to show ZOS that we ALL agree this is OP lol .

Thank God im on console and hope this change those before new update rolls for consoles

Avenias

Please go live with this ZOS. Please introduce more game imbalance! The damage is still too low! Double the 2h wep ultimate!

Master_Kas

Imagine a alchemist build fully buffed from stealth, hitting you with a wrecking blow (for the empower) then this ult.

#Balance
#RerollStaminaAndLikeIt

Waffennacht

Master_Kas wrote: »

Imagine a alchemist build fully buffed from stealth, hitting you with a wrecking blow (for the empower) then this ult.

#Balance
#RerollStaminaAndLikeIt

I'll be honest...

I did, and I do

Recremen

Cronopoly wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

People who think it's OP to (possibly) take out one person with an Ultimate, how do y'all feel about someone taking out dozens of players in less than a second with one good proxy bomb? This is good, but outside of a dueling context you're still going to get focused down by other players if they see you slamming that much, same as always. If it's not AoE burst damage then there's still going to loads of better things to do with your ulti in a lot of PvP settings.

Regarding the 2Hand - What will be interesting is that this is a Skill that everyone will have from day one, no farming required. Remember we have a Zerg ball mentality in PVP historically with Proxy, Vicious Death, Dawnbreaker and it will go on...

Entire groups will have this skill waiting to rush in. Why have Battle Spirit if abilities are going to be given to go way over the top but only if you are Stamina based.

I'm not really sure what a lack of a grind has to do with it. Most ultimates take, what, a few hours to grind tops? As for zergs, this is probably the least problematic ultimate. It's melee range, single-target, and can probably be dodged. I don't know how zergs are suddenly going to be able to coordinate that better than any other, more group-friendly ultimates.

Clarkieson

So its OP, fair enough no problem with it, ultimates are supposed to be OP.

Can we have an OP magicka weapon ultimate?

I doubt it.

Someone said in the feedback thread in the PTS forum about using the the mages chain lightning attack from aetherian archive as the destruction staff ultimate, it too could be just as OP

Then you would have some kind of balance

Imagine that

NoMoreChillies

stealing resistance is just bad design

when my tank blocks can i have an ult that steals their dmg?