Major evasion - the most overpowered buff

JackDaniell

20% chance to dodge an attack, this also means..

20% chance to not get stunned (big for pvp)
20% chance to FULLY negate the damage of an incoming DOT ability
20% reduced block costs (a miss is a free block)
20% stronger shields

The only build that wouldn't greatly benefit from this buff is a build that never takes damage or gets attacked.

/diversity

DirtySmeegs33

Agreed

hrothbern

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JackDaniell wrote: »

20% chance to dodge an attack, this also means..

20% chance to not get stunned (big for pvp)
20% chance to FULLY negate the damage of an incoming DOT ability
20% reduced block costs (a miss is a free block)
20% stronger shields

The only build that wouldn't greatly benefit from this buff is a build that never takes damage or gets attacked.

/diversity

+1

Meaning that we all waste a slot on it
And we have only 10 ability slots

I am fine with the game concept that there is a background RNG with a miss chance on almost all abilities
Nothing is certain in battle

But then I think it would be better to have a 10% default passive dodge
And Evasion gets also 10%.

For that extra 10% it is again a real choice whether you use it or not

and whether you spend an ability slot on it or not

Solariken

Yep, needs to be changed to something other than passive dodge chance.

Armitas

20% chance to avoid a gap close. (some closers)

maxjapank

Should be 10%. Stam users have a greater pool of resource to actively dodge. Sure it's also their resource for attacking. But the same could be said for Magicka users spending their resource on heals/shields vs. attacking.

Omgwtfbbq321

I only get annoyed when a player makes a mistake, but have their hand held by the dodge chance. If I do the same, there is no chance ward that will save me.

Shadesofkin

The problem I always end up with in this discussion is this: I get that PvP doesn't like it, but removing it or nerfing it would hose PvE too and that's not cool.

Have it affected by Battle Spirit, but otherwise leave it alone.

MaxwellC

JackDaniell wrote: »

20% chance to dodge an attack, this also means..

20% chance to not get stunned (big for pvp)
20% chance to FULLY negate the damage of an incoming DOT ability
20% reduced block costs (a miss is a free block)
20% stronger shields

The only build that wouldn't greatly benefit from this buff is a build that never takes damage or gets attacked.

/diversity

20% to not get stunned is a lie, you will always get stunned from a hard CC even a soft CC such as talons (to get out you must re-apply)
20% to fully negate DoT is a lie as well, you cannot negate or 'dodge' DoT affects as it's already applied to you. If you said incoming damage then I'd agree with you.
20% reduced block cost is also a lie because it's not gaurenteed that the incoming damage will be missed and if so in PvP that is completely stupid reasoning as you're going to get attacked more than once from a target(s).
20% strong shields doesn't even make any sense where do you see me using hardened ward.. oh wait that's a sorc ability..

I will say Major Evasion is strong and you know what, everyone can use it so #DealWitItYo. Do you need Major Evasion to be good in PvP, nope you don't. On my Mag DK I've faced rolled plenty of stam NBs thanks to my talons, even if they have a dodge chance that will not matter.

Honestly if you wanna complain about something I'd also say what about a Sorc consistently stacking so many shields where I just go screw this I'm out. What about a Magplar who is 30% health from dying but takes 1 BoL and is back in the game again? What about a Mag NB that cloaks so much as if they need to remain in the shadows indefinitely? What about a DK spamming burning embers in your face while consistently stunning you?

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I'm thinking 6 seconds seems fair.

maxjapank

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

I will say Major Evasion is strong and you know what, everyone can use it

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Kalante

As a stam player i hate major evasion with a passion. With shuffle It's just who gets more lucky in a fight. Anything that includes RNG in a fight is a huge NO. The nightblade skill is no different.

ScooberSteve

Sounds like someones having
a hard time in cyrodiil

UltimaJoe777

So how many Major Evasion rant threads is this now? 20? 25? I lost count...

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Sounds like someones having
a hard time in cyrodiil

You forgot your shades

Lava_Croft

JackDaniell wrote: »

20% chance to dodge an attack, this also means..

20% chance to not get stunned (big for pvp)
20% chance to FULLY negate the damage of an incoming DOT ability
20% reduced block costs (a miss is a free block)
20% stronger shields

The only build that wouldn't greatly benefit from this buff is a build that never takes damage or gets attacked.

/diversity

Shufflle is the new pre-gutted Immovable.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

20% chance to dodge an attack, this also means..

20% chance to not get stunned (big for pvp)
20% chance to FULLY negate the damage of an incoming DOT ability
20% reduced block costs (a miss is a free block)
20% stronger shields

The only build that wouldn't greatly benefit from this buff is a build that never takes damage or gets attacked.

/diversity

20% to not get stunned is a lie, you will always get stunned from a hard CC even a soft CC such as talons (to get out you must re-apply)
20% to fully negate DoT is a lie as well, you cannot negate or 'dodge' DoT affects as it's already applied to you. If you said incoming damage then I'd agree with you.
20% reduced block cost is also a lie because it's not gaurenteed that the incoming damage will be missed and if so in PvP that is completely stupid reasoning as you're going to get attacked more than once from a target(s).
20% strong shields doesn't even make any sense where do you see me using hardened ward.. oh wait that's a sorc ability..

I will say Major Evasion is strong and you know what, everyone can use it so #DealWitItYo. Do you need Major Evasion to be good in PvP, nope you don't. On my Mag DK I've faced rolled plenty of stam NBs thanks to my talons, even if they have a dodge chance that will not matter.

what the hell are you talking about

if you dodge crystal shard, javelin, DS etc guess what: no cc

you dodge vampires bane, you wernt hit and no dot is applied

you average 20% dodge, if your always blocking(debuff tank) then you loose less stamina from not getting hit>cost less to spam block

Torbschka

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

20% chance to dodge an attack, this also means..

20% chance to not get stunned (big for pvp)
20% chance to FULLY negate the damage of an incoming DOT ability
20% reduced block costs (a miss is a free block)
20% stronger shields

The only build that wouldn't greatly benefit from this buff is a build that never takes damage or gets attacked.

/diversity

20% to not get stunned is a lie, you will always get stunned from a hard CC even a soft CC such as talons (to get out you must re-apply)
20% to fully negate DoT is a lie as well, you cannot negate or 'dodge' DoT affects as it's already applied to you. If you said incoming damage then I'd agree with you.
20% reduced block cost is also a lie because it's not gaurenteed that the incoming damage will be missed and if so in PvP that is completely stupid reasoning as you're going to get attacked more than once from a target(s).
20% strong shields doesn't even make any sense where do you see me using hardened ward.. oh wait that's a sorc ability..

I will say Major Evasion is strong and you know what, everyone can use it so #DealWitItYo. Do you need Major Evasion to be good in PvP, nope you don't. On my Mag DK I've faced rolled plenty of stam NBs thanks to my talons, even if they have a dodge chance that will not matter.

Honestly if you wanna complain about something I'd also say what about a Sorc consistently stacking so many shields where I just go screw this I'm out. What about a Magplar who is 30% health from dying but takes 1 BoL and is back in the game again? What about a Mag NB that cloaks so much as if they need to remain in the shadows indefinitely? What about a DK spamming burning embers in your face while consistently stunning you?

Pls, what? U always will get stunned? The amount oft frags getting dodged by this *** in a already stunned target is incredible lol

kongkim

20% id fine. if its less no one will use it :S

DRXHarbinger

Getting stunned or rooted should just remove the effect, that would be perfectly fair. Nothing worse than getting a frag in then my next 5 attacks miss and oh look he still killed me on 5% health cool stuff.

Lord_Eomer

Its a one big thing in PVP,

Its ok for PVE, infacf nobody uses this in PVE

dsalter

dodge chance as an ability in ESO just doesnt make sense, it's ment to be an active combat game and then they throw dodge and miss chances on it without counter stats >.>

Rohamad_Ali

One thread everyone complains about roots , stuns and knock downs , in the next the defenses against them . Make up your minds .

Lucius_Aelius

It seems strange to me too, having both passive Dodging and active Dodging is excessive, you should have one or the other but not both. It's not the biggest issue in PvP, but it would be better if anything providing passive dodge chance was changed to reduce cost of roll dodge or some such.

Bdawwg

I think placing a battle spirit affect on it would be beneficial, leave it alone for pve because it's not causing harm there.
For pvp I dunno reduce it to 10% maybe or make so that if cc'd it is inactivated. I don't see why if you're knocked down you can evade an attack I mean you're physically on the floor you'd have to be blind to miss someone.

RoyJade

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

20% chance to dodge an attack, this also means..

20% chance to not get stunned (big for pvp)
20% chance to FULLY negate the damage of an incoming DOT ability
20% reduced block costs (a miss is a free block)
20% stronger shields

The only build that wouldn't greatly benefit from this buff is a build that never takes damage or gets attacked.

/diversity

20% to not get stunned is a lie, you will always get stunned from a hard CC even a soft CC such as talons (to get out you must re-apply)
20% to fully negate DoT is a lie as well, you cannot negate or 'dodge' DoT affects as it's already applied to you. If you said incoming damage then I'd agree with you.
20% reduced block cost is also a lie because it's not gaurenteed that the incoming damage will be missed and if so in PvP that is completely stupid reasoning as you're going to get attacked more than once from a target(s).
20% strong shields doesn't even make any sense where do you see me using hardened ward.. oh wait that's a sorc ability..

I will say Major Evasion is strong and you know what, everyone can use it so #DealWitItYo. Do you need Major Evasion to be good in PvP, nope you don't. On my Mag DK I've faced rolled plenty of stam NBs thanks to my talons, even if they have a dodge chance that will not matter.

Honestly if you wanna complain about something I'd also say what about a Sorc consistently stacking so many shields where I just go screw this I'm out. What about a Magplar who is 30% health from dying but takes 1 BoL and is back in the game again? What about a Mag NB that cloaks so much as if they need to remain in the shadows indefinitely? What about a DK spamming burning embers in your face while consistently stunning you?

Talon is a magicka AOE, and magicka AOE are undodgeable. You can fully dodge all projectiles (magicka or stamina one), you can dodge gap closer, close combat skill, physical aoe, but no magicka aoe. Talon, inhale, sap essence, sweeps (but jabs are dodgeable), detonation and other can't be dodged.

That's why lotus fan's spamming as a magNB is the best tool against perma roller. The aoe part keep hitting the enemy, and you stay close to him. But it's more than annoying.

Waseem

do the same thing done to hardened ward and harness magicka, make it 6 seconds skill

GreenSoup2HoT

Considering how overpowered the CP passive unchained is.... every build in pvp could get away with using Shuffle.

In my opinion this passive alone is what is plaguing pvp hardcore right now. Ever think why a Black Rose wearer with little to no regen can refresh ALL of there buffs?... well its because they can abuse Unchained. Ever wonder why you can't ever get a stamina build to run out of stamina?... probably because of unchained. Wanna know the reason why everyone is a redguard stamplar with maxed out resource pools with no regen?.... UNCHAINED!

With unchained, you don't have to care about your resources. Just make sure to never cast anything until after you cc break for 3 seconds. If unchained was say 10% and matched the power of the other CP passives at rank 120, a lot of META builds would not be possible or as efficient as they are. It's about time people realize it's unchained that is plaguing this game.

Shuffle in my opinion is fine since there is un-dodge-able ability's and plenty of DoT's that are lethal. Most of the time when i see people complaining about shuffle.. they are really complaining about players who utilize roll dodge very effectively and getting outplayed (not saying op has done this but it happens a lot).

Imho if Unchained was nerfed stamina would be a lot more balanced compared to there magicka counter-part. Imagine a passive that granted 80% reduce magicka cost after cc-breaking and think how OP that would be for a second... #nerfunchained

lucky_Sage

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

20% chance to dodge an attack, this also means..

20% chance to not get stunned (big for pvp)
20% chance to FULLY negate the damage of an incoming DOT ability
20% reduced block costs (a miss is a free block)
20% stronger shields

The only build that wouldn't greatly benefit from this buff is a build that never takes damage or gets attacked.

/diversity

20% to not get stunned is a lie, you will always get stunned from a hard CC even a soft CC such as talons (to get out you must re-apply)
20% to fully negate DoT is a lie as well, you cannot negate or 'dodge' DoT affects as it's already applied to you. If you said incoming damage then I'd agree with you.
20% reduced block cost is also a lie because it's not gaurenteed that the incoming damage will be missed and if so in PvP that is completely stupid reasoning as you're going to get attacked more than once from a target(s).
20% strong shields doesn't even make any sense where do you see me using hardened ward.. oh wait that's a sorc ability..

I will say Major Evasion is strong and you know what, everyone can use it so #DealWitItYo. Do you need Major Evasion to be good in PvP, nope you don't. On my Mag DK I've faced rolled plenty of stam NBs thanks to my talons, even if they have a dodge chance that will not matter.

Honestly if you wanna complain about something I'd also say what about a Sorc consistently stacking so many shields where I just go screw this I'm out. What about a Magplar who is 30% health from dying but takes 1 BoL and is back in the game again? What about a Mag NB that cloaks so much as if they need to remain in the shadows indefinitely? What about a DK spamming burning embers in your face while consistently stunning you?

thats not true you can dodge already aplied dots ive seen on multiple times

Ashamray

Elude is so cool that I use it on my mplar after breaking CC thanks to Unchained CP perk.

ku5h

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

One thread everyone complains about roots , stuns and knock downs , in the next the defenses against them . Make up your minds .

Ppl are actually taking about Major Evasion, not snare immunity you get from Shuffle...

dsalter

as i said above, passive dodge chance just shouldnt be a passive or ability in this game since we have roll dodges. just allows people to be more tanky than designed purely by luck but the only luck stats wise we should even have is either proc chance or crit. thats all.

tho have to admit unchained is over-performing.