Need help with sorcerer for PvE

Foxic

Dracane wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

liv3mind wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

Magicka sorc is the hardest class to play in pvp and lowest single target in pve endgame.

um. no.

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

Magicka sorc is the hardest class to play in pvp and lowest single target in pve endgame. And zenimax seems to nerf us to vanity pets someday. Don't bother yourself reroll another class like nightblade or templar. Even if zos will try to nerf them, the army of qqers will rise and nothing gonna change for them in terms of balance

Lol magicka sorcerer battles for top dps on all mixed aoe fights which is almost all boss fights. While providing your group with spell critical and ultra powerful conduits

I hope both of you realise that he is a beginner ? For newbies spamming 1 button like sweeps and them executing with radiant will lead to waaaaay more damage output in general. Plz don't speak like all u see is a sorc with 40k dps in any vMoL boss fight ...

That's such a terrible counter argument. How do you expect someone to learn if you tell them to roll a different class and spam 2 buttons....

Magicka sorcerer doesn't even have a hard rotation.
https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=sAZH9VDft3E&feature=share

This is a video of a sorc pulling 47K on zhaj with the simple rotation and he isn't even in best in slot gear

Don't even try and tell me that nb is easier for endgame

NB is easier for endgame.

[SNIP] Magicka sorcerer has a stupidly easy rotation. You have 3 dots(I'm counting curse as a dot), and you force pulse weave til you get a frag proc

[Edited for baiting]

X3ina

Can't watch it now, working, but search "Reflective light dps" in youtube it's about 4 month old allready and then compare...

Sneak watched few seconds of the start (they couldn't kill it or what?) 58% so mostly oveload fight i guess, and what happens when overload depletes ? i guess his dps will slowly fall into the ground floor.

Foxic

X3ina wrote: »

Can't watch it now, working, but search "Reflective light dps" in youtube it's about 4 month old allready and then compare...

Sneak watched few seconds of the start (they couldn't kill it or what?) 58% so mostly oveload fight i guess, and what happens when overload depletes ? i guess his dps will slowly fall into the ground floor.

He doesn't overload at all. No-one does anymore. I personally know the person who made the reflective light build and I can tell you I haven't seen a Templar out dps a sorc in maw since it launched.

iam117

X3ina wrote: »

Can't watch it now, working, but search "Reflective light dps" in youtube it's about 4 month old allready and then compare...

Sneak watched few seconds of the start (they couldn't kill it or what?) 58% so mostly oveload fight i guess, and what happens when overload depletes ? i guess his dps will slowly fall into the ground floor.

its not an overload fight, that reflective light build, i get more dps that that on a sorc with 3 abilities and heavy attacks....... you can get that much dps on a sorc by dropping liquid lightning, wall of lightning, curse and heavy lightning attacks. thats insanely easier than a nb.

Edit: oh and no bar swaps till execute.........

Foxic

liv3mind wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

Can't watch it now, working, but search "Reflective light dps" in youtube it's about 4 month old allready and then compare...

Sneak watched few seconds of the start (they couldn't kill it or what?) 58% so mostly oveload fight i guess, and what happens when overload depletes ? i guess his dps will slowly fall into the ground floor.

its not an overload fight, that reflective light build, i get more dps that that on a sorc with 3 abilities and heavy attacks....... you can get that much dps on a sorc by dropping liquid lightning, wall of lightning, curse and heavy lightning attacks. thats insanely easier than a nb.

Edit: oh and no bar swaps till execute.........

Overload is the bane of our existence. Everyone that talks about overload has clearly not played a sorcerer since thieves guild. It just needs to go away altogether.

boom782

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

liv3mind wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

Magicka sorc is the hardest class to play in pvp and lowest single target in pve endgame.

um. no.

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

Magicka sorc is the hardest class to play in pvp and lowest single target in pve endgame. And zenimax seems to nerf us to vanity pets someday. Don't bother yourself reroll another class like nightblade or templar. Even if zos will try to nerf them, the army of qqers will rise and nothing gonna change for them in terms of balance

Lol magicka sorcerer battles for top dps on all mixed aoe fights which is almost all boss fights. While providing your group with spell critical and ultra powerful conduits

I hope both of you realise that he is a beginner ? For newbies spamming 1 button like sweeps and them executing with radiant will lead to waaaaay more damage output in general. Plz don't speak like all u see is a sorc with 40k dps in any vMoL boss fight ...

That's such a terrible counter argument. How do you expect someone to learn if you tell them to roll a different class and spam 2 buttons....

Magicka sorcerer doesn't even have a hard rotation.
https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=sAZH9VDft3E&feature=share

This is a video of a sorc pulling 47K on zhaj with the simple rotation and he isn't even in best in slot gear

Don't even try and tell me that nb is easier for endgame

NB is easier for endgame.

[SNIP] Magicka sorcerer has a stupidly easy rotation. You have 3 dots(I'm counting curse as a dot), and you force pulse weave til you get a frag proc

[Edited for baiting]

Quick question...I see people mention frag proc. I know crystal fragments has the 35% chance of dealing more dmg and what not after another spell, but is there some way to know when that is? You guys talk as if you only use crystal frag when it has the buff. Currently I just cast it whenever and hope it has the buff.

iam117

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

liv3mind wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

Can't watch it now, working, but search "Reflective light dps" in youtube it's about 4 month old allready and then compare...

Sneak watched few seconds of the start (they couldn't kill it or what?) 58% so mostly oveload fight i guess, and what happens when overload depletes ? i guess his dps will slowly fall into the ground floor.

its not an overload fight, that reflective light build, i get more dps that that on a sorc with 3 abilities and heavy attacks....... you can get that much dps on a sorc by dropping liquid lightning, wall of lightning, curse and heavy lightning attacks. thats insanely easier than a nb.

Edit: oh and no bar swaps till execute.........

Overload is the bane of our existence. Everyone that talks about overload has clearly not played a sorcerer since thieves guild. It just needs to go away altogether.

agree, but i still use overload, i put surge and ward on it for Rakkhat meteors, but thats all the use it gets lol. no point anymore, you can get more dps without overload, even on short fights.

iam117

boom782 wrote: »

Quick question...I see people mention frag proc. I know crystal fragments has the 35% chance of dealing more dmg and what not after another spell, but is there some way to know when that is? You guys talk as if you only use crystal frag when it has the buff. Currently I just cast it whenever and hope it has the buff.

it lights up when its procced

boom782

liv3mind wrote: »

boom782 wrote: »

Quick question...I see people mention frag proc. I know crystal fragments has the 35% chance of dealing more dmg and what not after another spell, but is there some way to know when that is? You guys talk as if you only use crystal frag when it has the buff. Currently I just cast it whenever and hope it has the buff.

it lights up when its procced

Hmm, it doesn't do that on Xb1 which is stupid. Just tested it and nothing on my skill bar changed what so ever.

X3ina

Even if i agree with u about overload (cancer). Was looking for a dps parses in tamrielfoundry....found a sorc but nothing serious for a templar.
Watched the clip, and lol its just a aoe popcorn on the ground... pure single target damage he does to the boss is literally low. Even if considering pretty high uptime of raid buffs. And in same situation mtemplar could profit more from spear, wall of fire and reflective light spam imo... esp in loooong execute phases.

The thing is as a sorc u have litterally nothing... except that crit buff. While templar has a spellpower (??? not sure was it spellpower or spellcrit) buff.

P.s.: i haven't raided for a big period but if peeps are linking mixed aoe dps like this ... i can do about ~70k+ish dps on my mdk.

Beardimus

Cool, cheers for the reply @Dracane I didn't realise you ran pets, I'm spinning up a Pet Healer hybrid, might take some tips. You PvP them pets too?

Foxic

X3ina wrote: »

Even if i agree with u about overload (cancer). Was looking for a dps parses in tamrielfoundry....found a sorc but nothing serious for a templar.
Watched the clip, and lol its just a aoe popcorn on the ground... pure single target damage he does to the boss is literally low. Even if considering pretty high uptime of raid buffs. And in same situation mtemplar could profit more from spear, wall of fire and reflective light spam imo... esp in loooong execute phases.

The thing is as a sorc u have litterally nothing... except that crit buff. While templar has a spellpower (??? not sure was it spellpower or spellcrit) buff.

P.s.: i haven't raided for a big period but if peeps are linking mixed aoe dps like this ... i can do about ~70k+ish dps on my mdk.

You have nothing to back up what you're saying. And even admitted you haven't raided in a long time. So it doesn't matter what you think, what matters is what has been documented and proved. I'm sure his single target on that fight was over 35K but it isn't the dps job to just focus the boss. All of the adds in all of the new trial boss fights need to die.(except maybe foundation stone) you're looking at dps from an outdated mindset

Also if you link me a 70K dps parse on a trial boss I'll eat my foot

Edit : the sorcerer critical buff provides more raid dps than 5% spell damage that Templar's give

iam117

X3ina wrote: »

Even if i agree with u about overload (cancer). Was looking for a dps parses in tamrielfoundry....found a sorc but nothing serious for a templar.
Watched the clip, and lol its just a aoe popcorn on the ground... pure single target damage he does to the boss is literally low. Even if considering pretty high uptime of raid buffs. And in same situation mtemplar could profit more from spear, wall of fire and reflective light spam imo... esp in loooong execute phases.

The thing is as a sorc u have litterally nothing... except that crit buff. While templar has a spellpower (??? not sure was it spellpower or spellcrit) buff.

P.s.: i haven't raided for a big period but if peeps are linking mixed aoe dps like this ... i can do about ~70k+ish dps on my mdk.

im sorry, i dont mean this in an offensive way, but i dont think you know what your talking about.

iam117

boom782 wrote: »

liv3mind wrote: »

boom782 wrote: »

Quick question...I see people mention frag proc. I know crystal fragments has the 35% chance of dealing more dmg and what not after another spell, but is there some way to know when that is? You guys talk as if you only use crystal frag when it has the buff. Currently I just cast it whenever and hope it has the buff.

it lights up when its procced

Hmm, it doesn't do that on Xb1 which is stupid. Just tested it and nothing on my skill bar changed what so ever.

thats lame, i dont play on console, but i would think there would ahve to be way to see the proc?

boom782

liv3mind wrote: »

boom782 wrote: »

liv3mind wrote: »

boom782 wrote: »

Quick question...I see people mention frag proc. I know crystal fragments has the 35% chance of dealing more dmg and what not after another spell, but is there some way to know when that is? You guys talk as if you only use crystal frag when it has the buff. Currently I just cast it whenever and hope it has the buff.

it lights up when its procced

Hmm, it doesn't do that on Xb1 which is stupid. Just tested it and nothing on my skill bar changed what so ever.

thats lame, i dont play on console, but i would think there would ahve to be way to see the proc?

I completely agree. I noticed it is in my character sheet where I find other buff info but not noticeable on my skills bar.

Anyways, I swapped out winged twilight for inner light to start leveling that up. I also tried swapping out clannifer for bound aegis but without the clannifer as my tank and main heal I didn't do so well.

It looks like I'll continue to run a bet build while I solo level.

Dracane

Beardimus wrote: »

Cool, cheers for the reply @Dracane I didn't realise you ran pets, I'm spinning up a Pet Healer hybrid, might take some tips. You PvP them pets too?

I use pets everywhere. I am 95% pvp player.
I also use them when I tank in pve, heal or dps. But Sorc DPS is not very good, so i usually stick with tanking.

Mush55

boom782 wrote: »

liv3mind wrote: »

boom782 wrote: »

Quick question...I see people mention frag proc. I know crystal fragments has the 35% chance of dealing more dmg and what not after another spell, but is there some way to know when that is? You guys talk as if you only use crystal frag when it has the buff. Currently I just cast it whenever and hope it has the buff.

it lights up when its procced

Hmm, it doesn't do that on Xb1 which is stupid. Just tested it and nothing on my skill bar changed what so ever.

You get a purple crystaly bracelet like thing around your hands when it procs , bit hard to see but it's there

ScottishTornado85

Can I ask what server you are on? I am on the XB1 EU server and would be happy to help you get to grips with what you need to do. I have played as a sorc since console release.

boom782

ScottishTornado85 wrote: »

Can I ask what server you are on? I am on the XB1 EU server and would be happy to help you get to grips with what you need to do. I have played as a sorc since console release.

The US server unfortunately. I really appreciate the offer though. I forget how much of a learning curve many MMO's have and I feel this one has even less 'tutorials and guides'. It probably doesn't help that I am jumping in about 18 months after launch and with about 4-5 DLC's.

IwakuraLain42

Using in the Bound Aegis/Inner Light combo will seriously restrict your utility, but if you want to try it then I would recommend replacing Curse with Hardend Ward or you will be dead very soon.

ScottishTornado85

boom782 wrote: »

ScottishTornado85 wrote: »

Can I ask what server you are on? I am on the XB1 EU server and would be happy to help you get to grips with what you need to do. I have played as a sorc since console release.

The US server unfortunately. I really appreciate the offer though. I forget how much of a learning curve many MMO's have and I feel this one has even less 'tutorials and guides'. It probably doesn't help that I am jumping in about 18 months after launch and with about 4-5 DLC's.

If you can get your hands on Julianos and Magnus, grab the theif mundus stone. all the gear in divines. Get your crit up to 70%

I set my bars like:

Bar1 Destro
Crushing Shock(I use this morph for maelstrom but the other is probably better), Elemental blockade, Crystal frag, Inner light, bound aegis. Energy Overload

Bar 2 dual wield
Hardened ward, Liquid lightning, Harness Magika, Power Surge, Bound aegis, Shooting Star.

I usually drop bound aegis for stuff like maelstrom but in 4 man group content running that set up is solid.

Until you find your own rotation, I would buff up, put down your Dots and the light attack weave crushing shock(or the the morph) until you need to reapply yours buffs and DoTs. Use energy Overload for huge damage and to restore your magika.

Hope this helps.

SirMewser

boom782 wrote: »

I have a High Elf Sorc with 96 CP currently and I am still VERY new to ESO.

My build while leveling was unstable clannifer, endless furry, crystal frag, liquid lightning, and either twilight pet or another AoE. Using a destro staff and all points into Magicka. Leveling seemed pretty painless.

Now I read pet builds are no good for groups and its time for me to start trying dungeons and progressing past solo play.

Can anyone make any suggestions? I try to read the forums a lot but there are just so many different ways to take a sorcerer it seems. I prefer DPS but if I am never going to be able to get a group with a DPS source then I'd consider another route.

I looked at Yolo's build but it talks about a lot of gear, skills, and equipment that all come much later or require dungeon farming to get but I need a decent build to ALLOW me to dungeon farm.

Thank you so much in advance for your time!

I am just going to post this here.


I tank, dps, and heal at times (currently tanking).
I use pets endgame, rarely do they ever die in trials/vet dungeon. You can do anything in this game if you are dedicated enough to try and make it work.

A lot of it is the armor you're running so don't be discouraged about skill performance till you know and have the gear you want to complement a certain playstyle.

If curious about my setup.
My gear:
2x Maw of the Infernal
3x Grace of Ancients
5x Necropotence
2x Magnus Gift S&B (front bar) enchanted with crushing and max magic.
2x Trial by Fire S&B (back bar) enchanted with Hardening and max health.

My skills:
Bound Ægis : 1 : Bound Aegis
Inner Light : 2 : Pierce Armor
Hardened Ward : 3 : Daedric Prey
Volatile Familiar : 4 : Volatile Familiar
Twilight Matriarch : 5 : Twilight Matriarch
Replenishing Barrier : Ult : Greater Storm Atronach

If I use lightning staff I use full spell power enchanted accessories with precise and swap Pierce Armor for Elemental Drain while chugging spell power pots.

boom782

1.) How do I find out what mats I need to have someone craft the julianas set? I have tried googling it with no luck.

2.) Once I find that out do I just roam around checking guild traders till I find it if I just want to purchase instead of farming?

3.) Is there a particular zone that is better to shout in to find someone able to craft it? Or a website to post on maybe? I noticed it is against TOS on this site.

Thanks!

boom782

Wow, just found someone to make me a 5 piece julianos and 3 piece magnus for CP 130 for 4k gold. I was expecting much more!

boom782

Since we are using 1 piece of medium and heavy armor, are any of the passives for those pieces worth putting points into?

Xvorg

X3ina wrote: »

Magicka sorc is the hardest class to play in pvp and lowest single target in pve endgame. And zenimax seems to nerf us to vanity pets someday. Don't bother yourself reroll another class like nightblade or templar. Even if zos will try to nerf them, the army of qqers will rise and nothing gonna change for them in terms of balance

If mSorc are ZoS vanity pets, then mDK are dead pets

Asardes

Light armor - all passives and harness magicka active skills
Medium armor - only the wind walker passive
Heavy armor - resolve, juggernaut and probably constitution are useful
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Armor+Skills

hrothbern

liv3mind wrote: »

boom782 wrote: »

liv3mind wrote: »

boom782 wrote: »

Quick question...I see people mention frag proc. I know crystal fragments has the 35% chance of dealing more dmg and what not after another spell, but is there some way to know when that is? You guys talk as if you only use crystal frag when it has the buff. Currently I just cast it whenever and hope it has the buff.

it lights up when its procced

Hmm, it doesn't do that on Xb1 which is stupid. Just tested it and nothing on my skill bar changed what so ever.

thats lame, i dont play on console, but i would think there would ahve to be way to see the proc?

On PC you can see the proc by the purple aura and rotating small shards around your hands and wrists.
The same color purple you see when you hard cast Frags, and smaller shards.

When you have Power Surge up, it is a bit more difficult to see
But Surge is more blueish-white sparks

Just test it for yourself

boom782

hrothbern wrote: »

liv3mind wrote: »

boom782 wrote: »

liv3mind wrote: »

boom782 wrote: »

Quick question...I see people mention frag proc. I know crystal fragments has the 35% chance of dealing more dmg and what not after another spell, but is there some way to know when that is? You guys talk as if you only use crystal frag when it has the buff. Currently I just cast it whenever and hope it has the buff.

it lights up when its procced

Hmm, it doesn't do that on Xb1 which is stupid. Just tested it and nothing on my skill bar changed what so ever.

thats lame, i dont play on console, but i would think there would ahve to be way to see the proc?

On PC you can see the proc by the purple aura and rotating small shards around your hands and wrists.
The same color purple you see when you hard cast Frags, and smaller shards.

When you have Power Surge up, it is a bit more difficult to see
But Surge is more blueish-white sparks

Just test it for yourself

Yep, I see it now. Like you said, my characters hands turn purple when it is ready to proc. I was expecting my skills bar to highlight or change color so wasn't looking at my character.

hrothbern

boom782 wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

liv3mind wrote: »

boom782 wrote: »

liv3mind wrote: »

boom782 wrote: »

Quick question...I see people mention frag proc. I know crystal fragments has the 35% chance of dealing more dmg and what not after another spell, but is there some way to know when that is? You guys talk as if you only use crystal frag when it has the buff. Currently I just cast it whenever and hope it has the buff.

it lights up when its procced

Hmm, it doesn't do that on Xb1 which is stupid. Just tested it and nothing on my skill bar changed what so ever.

thats lame, i dont play on console, but i would think there would ahve to be way to see the proc?

On PC you can see the proc by the purple aura and rotating small shards around your hands and wrists.
The same color purple you see when you hard cast Frags, and smaller shards.

When you have Power Surge up, it is a bit more difficult to see
But Surge is more blueish-white sparks

Just test it for yourself

Yep, I see it now. Like you said, my characters hands turn purple when it is ready to proc. I was expecting my skills bar to highlight or change color so wasn't looking at my character.

This effect is very well visible when you play 1st person.
Looks beautiful
I did that for more than a year.
But you miss so much overview on the combat situation that I had to fall back to 3rd person.