How many would you be willing to buy before you gave up?

NewBlacksmurf

0

Sale it cause I won't even waste real money on a real lottery or casino

Recremen

Milvan wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Even tho I think that all the hate towards this boxes is pretty shallow and stupid. I wouldn't buy anyone of them.

The hate is backed by prior experience with these mechanics in other titles. If I wanted to play a game with lockboxes, I'd log into STO.

I'm not sure if you are aware of it yet, they are cosmetic only you know? They don't affect the gameplay at all! Like none. It would be a predatory model if they add p2w itens, which is not the case.

Even without p2w it's predatory because for some people playing barbie is the important thing in the game, not being best at PvE/PvP. And even if there's no malicious intent (it's not like they desire to hurt their players, after all), it's still negatively affecting the rest of us because we can no longer make informed purchasing decisions or plan ahead regarding what we want to buy.

Until now, we've been able to look at the data mining, the current cost of items in the Crown Store, and our expendable income, and decide how many Crowns to buy based on what we want and either how much it will probably cost (compared to current Crown Store offerings) or how much it does cost once it's already "hit the shelves". Now, though, there's way too much uncertainty because we'll never be able to tell what's going to hit the regular Crown Store for real purchases and what's going to be cordoned off to incentivize the gambling boxes. It completely changes the relationship we have with the service provider all because they want to start offering a gambling service that they have no business including.

Abeille

Milvan wrote: »

@Abeille @starkerealm

I'm totally against the p2w model too and I would promptly drop from the game if they ever add p2w thing to those lockboxes. But in the meanwhile they aren't, so there is no reason to hate that much on those boxes: Its just cosmetic, its not mandatory, don't affect the gameplay.

Its a cheap way to make money? Yeah, but if you don't like you don't have to buy it, simple like that.

It's okay if you chose to wait until the bad stuff actually happens. A lot of people take this stand and it is a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic.

I prefer to start opposing to it as soon as I start to recognize the pattern that I saw on other MMOs. Because I don't want to have to drop the game. I want to stay. I love this game.

Acrolas

I have a hunch it's the Wild Hunt mounts that are exclusive to the box.
Hence the cool but also kind of cheeky name.
We're going on a... wild hunt... for them. Ha ha. You sure got us.

If that turns out to be true, I'll probably casually fish for one or two of them. Hopefully not the bear. *** the bear.
But I'll probably get the bear because I don't want it so much.

But maybe I'll luck out and they'll use the skeletal mounts as the exclusive tier.
But it'll probably be Wild Hunt.
Bear I hate you so so much.

starkerealm

Milvan wrote: »

@Abeille @starkerealm

I'm totally against the p2w model too and I would promptly drop from the game if they ever add p2w thing to those lockboxes. But in the meanwhile they aren't, so there is no reason to hate that much on those boxes: Its just cosmetic, its not mandatory, don't affect the gameplay.

Its a cheap way to make money? Yeah, but if you don't like you don't have to buy it, simple like that.

Actually, as I've said elsewhere, it's actually a cheap way to kill a game while raking in the cash.

It distorts the developer pipeline. After all, if you're having to choose between making content that will require minimal effort and can be knocked out by a couple artists and a coder in a week, but pull in, literally, tens of thousands of dollars, or a full content update, that requires you to commit your entire dev team for months of work, and will bring in a similar amount or less, spread across the player base... which one's going to be more appealing from a Return on Investment front?

This affects you, even if you're not buying the boxes, because, "cap'n there be whales here!"

It also distorts the bug fixes. Bugs that affect the boxes? Those need to be fixed immediately. Game breaking bugs on non-monetized content? Yeah, that can wait. And, before you give me flak, I've seen that exact thing happen before in other games.

The shift from cosmetic only over to P2W is inevitable as the sunrise. The lure of dragging more players to the boxes has proved too alluring to every other developer that tried to mess with lucky boxes ethically.

So, no, this does affect you. Why do you think so many people are putting our feet down now?

susmitds

0.

That's a big zero for ya.

Recremen

Acrolas wrote: »

I have a hunch it's the Wild Hunt mounts that are exclusive to the box.
Hence the cool but also kind of cheeky name.
We're going on a... wild hunt... for them. Ha ha. You sure got us.

If that turns out to be true, I'll probably casually fish for one or two of them. Hopefully not the bear. *** the bear.
But I'll probably get the bear because I don't want it so much.

But maybe I'll luck out and they'll use the skeletal mounts as the exclusive tier.
But it'll probably be Wild Hunt.
Bear I hate you so so much.

So you're saying that you'd rather make an informed purchase and get the item you actually desire instead of gambling? What a surprise!

starkerealm

Abeille wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

@Abeille @starkerealm

I'm totally against the p2w model too and I would promptly drop from the game if they ever add p2w thing to those lockboxes. But in the meanwhile they aren't, so there is no reason to hate that much on those boxes: Its just cosmetic, its not mandatory, don't affect the gameplay.

Its a cheap way to make money? Yeah, but if you don't like you don't have to buy it, simple like that.

It's okay if you chose to wait until the bad stuff actually happens. A lot of people take this stand and it is a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic.

I prefer to start opposing to it as soon as I start to recognize the pattern that I saw on other MMOs. Because I don't want to have to drop the game. I want to stay. I love this game.

Hell, my significant other already dropped the game. She got burned by too many MMOs starting with cosmetic only crates, and drifting over into P2W. Canceled her subscription on Saturday after the news broke and Gina didn't immediately walk it back.

Bouldercleave

Although not as dramatic as many here, my answer would be 0.

I'm not going to quit
I'm not going to rant

I'm just simply not going to buy ONE of these RNG boxes - I don't care if a leprechaun blowing gold pieces out of his butt is in one of them.

Tandor

Recremen wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Even tho I think that all the hate towards this boxes is pretty shallow and stupid. I wouldn't buy anyone of them.

The hate is backed by prior experience with these mechanics in other titles. If I wanted to play a game with lockboxes, I'd log into STO.

I'm not sure if you are aware of it yet, they are cosmetic only you know? They don't affect the gameplay at all! Like none. It would be a predatory model if they add p2w itens, which is not the case.

Even without p2w it's predatory because for some people playing barbie is the important thing in the game, not being best at PvE/PvP. And even if there's no malicious intent (it's not like they desire to hurt their players, after all), it's still negatively affecting the rest of us because we can no longer make informed purchasing decisions or plan ahead regarding what we want to buy.

Until now, we've been able to look at the data mining, the current cost of items in the Crown Store, and our expendable income, and decide how many Crowns to buy based on what we want and either how much it will probably cost (compared to current Crown Store offerings) or how much it does cost once it's already "hit the shelves". Now, though, there's way too much uncertainty because we'll never be able to tell what's going to hit the regular Crown Store for real purchases and what's going to be cordoned off to incentivize the gambling boxes. It completely changes the relationship we have with the service provider all because they want to start offering a gambling service that they have no business including.

Your objection is that you can no longer make informed decisions based on data mining? Really?

freespirit

I'm beginning to wonder........

From what I've read so far people are overwhelmingly against these boxes.....

So from previous decisions derived by large numbers of "nerf" threads where ZoS did infact react......

Will they listen to us now??

Oh wait these boxes will make them money, so most unlikely!!

Bouldercleave

freespirit wrote: »

I'm beginning to wonder........

From what I've read so far people are overwhelmingly against these boxes.....

So from previous decisions derived by large numbers of "nerf" threads where ZoS did infact react......

Will they listen to us now??

Oh wait these boxes will make them money, so most unlikely!!

I don't know what you do for a living, but I doubt seriously that you are willing to do it for free...

JimT722

Abeille wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

@Abeille @starkerealm

I'm totally against the p2w model too and I would promptly drop from the game if they ever add p2w thing to those lockboxes. But in the meanwhile they aren't, so there is no reason to hate that much on those boxes: Its just cosmetic, its not mandatory, don't affect the gameplay.

Its a cheap way to make money? Yeah, but if you don't like you don't have to buy it, simple like that.

It's okay if you chose to wait until the bad stuff actually happens. A lot of people take this stand and it is a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic.

I prefer to start opposing to it as soon as I start to recognize the pattern that I saw on other MMOs. Because I don't want to have to drop the game. I want to stay. I love this game.

This is exactly how I feel. Been playing since May 2014. I want to support this game. Release content and I will buy it. Cool cosmetics? If I like it, sure I will buy.

Release more purchasable content and I will likely spend money. Crown store items are trickled out at a snails pace and aren't going to please everyone.

I will not support the game with random boxes as it obvious trickery and a shameful one at that. This game is on a slippery slope. I love this game and am concerned where it is heading.

Recremen

Tandor wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Even tho I think that all the hate towards this boxes is pretty shallow and stupid. I wouldn't buy anyone of them.

The hate is backed by prior experience with these mechanics in other titles. If I wanted to play a game with lockboxes, I'd log into STO.

I'm not sure if you are aware of it yet, they are cosmetic only you know? They don't affect the gameplay at all! Like none. It would be a predatory model if they add p2w itens, which is not the case.

Even without p2w it's predatory because for some people playing barbie is the important thing in the game, not being best at PvE/PvP. And even if there's no malicious intent (it's not like they desire to hurt their players, after all), it's still negatively affecting the rest of us because we can no longer make informed purchasing decisions or plan ahead regarding what we want to buy.

Until now, we've been able to look at the data mining, the current cost of items in the Crown Store, and our expendable income, and decide how many Crowns to buy based on what we want and either how much it will probably cost (compared to current Crown Store offerings) or how much it does cost once it's already "hit the shelves". Now, though, there's way too much uncertainty because we'll never be able to tell what's going to hit the regular Crown Store for real purchases and what's going to be cordoned off to incentivize the gambling boxes. It completely changes the relationship we have with the service provider all because they want to start offering a gambling service that they have no business including.

Your objection is that you can no longer make informed decisions based on data mining? Really?

No, data mining is only one of the ways you can make decisions about how much fiat currency Crowns to purchase. As I already said, you also make decisions based on what is actually in the Crown Store at the time. But if something is locked up to be used as incentive for the gambling boxes, it is completely impossible to make an informed purchase. Rather than being able to say "Oh, this dress is beautiful and within what I'm willing to pay for it, I will purchase this dress:, you have to gamble and just hope. Even if you could see the loot table and drop rates and calculate the averages, you'll never be able to make an informed decision because there is no upper limit to how much you'll need to gamble. You can't just say "I'll drop 5k Crowns on boxes and that will guarantee that I get the mount I want". You can't do it for 10k Crowns, you can't do it for a billion Crowns. It is an absolute ruination of our normal market interaction.

Shad0wfire99

Zero. It's a mount, just like every other mount.

mtwiggz

Zero.

Unless there's a Rainbow Unicorn mount. Then I'd spend all of my life savings, cash in my 401k and Roth IRA and be broke just to ride in style.

The_Payne_Train

I would rather a be able to farm it or do hard content obtain a quest and go from there don't like the idea of buying crown stores

starkerealm

JimT722 wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

@Abeille @starkerealm

I'm totally against the p2w model too and I would promptly drop from the game if they ever add p2w thing to those lockboxes. But in the meanwhile they aren't, so there is no reason to hate that much on those boxes: Its just cosmetic, its not mandatory, don't affect the gameplay.

Its a cheap way to make money? Yeah, but if you don't like you don't have to buy it, simple like that.

It's okay if you chose to wait until the bad stuff actually happens. A lot of people take this stand and it is a matter of being optimistic or pessimistic.

I prefer to start opposing to it as soon as I start to recognize the pattern that I saw on other MMOs. Because I don't want to have to drop the game. I want to stay. I love this game.

This is exactly how I feel. Been playing since May 2014. I want to support this game. Release content and I will buy it. Cool cosmetics? If I like it, sure I will buy.

Release more purchasable content and I will likely spend money. Crown store items are trickled out at a snails pace and aren't going to please everyone.

I will not support the game with random boxes as it obvious trickery and a shameful one at that. This game is on a slippery slope. I love this game and am concerned where it is heading.

You know the legitimately *** up thing? If they'd simply released a bunch of those skeletal and wild hunt mounts... well, the wild hunt mounts anyway, at once. I probably would have bought a couple I don't know for certain which ones, probably the senche and guar, but I would have purchased them.

I'm not adverse to spending a lot of money on the game. But, not this. *** this.

freespirit

Bouldercleave wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

I'm beginning to wonder........

From what I've read so far people are overwhelmingly against these boxes.....

So from previous decisions derived by large numbers of "nerf" threads where ZoS did infact react......

Will they listen to us now??

Oh wait these boxes will make them money, so most unlikely!!

I don't know what you do for a living, but I doubt seriously that you are willing to do it for free...

Your point being?

I know ZoS needs to make money, I was merely wondering whether in the face of pretty overwhelming dislike for the idea of these boxes if ZoS would take note and change their plans.

starkerealm

Bouldercleave wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

I'm beginning to wonder........

From what I've read so far people are overwhelmingly against these boxes.....

So from previous decisions derived by large numbers of "nerf" threads where ZoS did infact react......

Will they listen to us now??

Oh wait these boxes will make them money, so most unlikely!!

I don't know what you do for a living, but I doubt seriously that you are willing to do it for free...

You know we're actually paying ZOS, right? It's not like we're mooching off the game for free. They've been getting 15 bucks a month + about ~200 a year in additional crown purchases from me. You know, past tense.

Abeille

Bouldercleave wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

I'm beginning to wonder........

From what I've read so far people are overwhelmingly against these boxes.....

So from previous decisions derived by large numbers of "nerf" threads where ZoS did infact react......

Will they listen to us now??

Oh wait these boxes will make them money, so most unlikely!!

I don't know what you do for a living, but I doubt seriously that you are willing to do it for free...

So... If they are doing it for free now that we don't have the boxes, what exactly are the Crown Store, ESO+ and initial purchases for?

Arthg

Zero.

No mount beats my trusty brown-paint horse.

SleepyTroll

Let's say I did buy some, Wich I'm not but let's say I did. The second I see some of those crown potions or soul gems come out of that *** I would throw my computer out the window. But if it was strictly only mounts and costumes and I was going to buy them I would spend as much was needed to afford what ever it was with that new currency they talked about.

UrQuan

I'd be OK with buying one to see what I get. But unless the boxes are implemented differently than what's been described, one is all I'll ever buy.

MissBizz

Bouldercleave wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

I'm beginning to wonder........

From what I've read so far people are overwhelmingly against these boxes.....

So from previous decisions derived by large numbers of "nerf" threads where ZoS did infact react......

Will they listen to us now??

Oh wait these boxes will make them money, so most unlikely!!

I don't know what you do for a living, but I doubt seriously that you are willing to do it for free...

Sorry for being cheeky here, but...

Do you pick out of a hat what your wage is every paycheck? With $1/hr being in there 20 more times than whatever an appropriate wage for you job is? That's the equivalent here. Many folks (such as myself) are willing and do spend plenty of money on this game. It's the RNG factor that is distasteful.

Katahdin

Zero
I really hate this type of mechanic in games. I was burned over and over by the same mechanic in another game.

If its the wildhunt or skeletal mounts I dont care, I have more than enough mounts for my characters and there is only one or two others I would like and they arent those.

Miszou

mtwiggz wrote: »

Zero.

Unless there's a Rainbow Unicorn mount. Then I'd spend all of my life savings, cash in my 401k and Roth IRA and be broke just to ride in style.

You jest, but I knew someone in Dragon Nest that spent his rent ($600+) on lucky eggs, just to get a pink pony mount. He never did get the mount, but it went on sale in the store a month later.

That said, I'll probably buy a few of them - or at least open the free one that we'll be given. The first one's always free, right...?

Honestly, I'm completely indifferent to the things. I'm sitting on over 10,000 Crowns right now and as a sub I already have all the DLC, so I literally have nothing to spend them on. I'd throw a few crowns at this just to see what's what.

Oh yeah, and in Tera there is a server wide announcement in the middle of your screen every time someone got something awesome from a lockbox. It happened fairly often, to give the impression that the good loot was far more common that it really was...

Lumenn

Well definitely not an impartial poll, Skewed so only buyers are "heard" but I'm gonna go with zero

UrQuan

Miszou wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Zero.

Unless there's a Rainbow Unicorn mount. Then I'd spend all of my life savings, cash in my 401k and Roth IRA and be broke just to ride in style.

You jest, but I knew someone in Dragon Nest that spent his rent ($600+) on lucky eggs, just to get a pink pony mount. He never did get the mount, but it went on sale in the store a month later.

Yikes

Miszou wrote: »

Oh yeah, and in Tera there is a server wide announcement in the middle of your screen every time someone got something awesome from a lockbox. It happened fairly often, to give the impression that the good loot was far more common that it really was...

Oh. My. God. That would literally get me to stop playing a game.

Korah_Eaglecry

Zero for me. I unsubbed and Im thinking about uninstalling the game all together. The only thing holding me here is the amount of time and money Ive already sunk into this game. I was actually looking forward to the Housing Update. The one thing that made me like this game so much was the fact that there wasnt gambling in this game. And here I am, two years into this and contemplating walking away and finding something else to sink my time and money into.