Cloak is purging soul assault completely

Ankael07

Tested this with a friendly nightblade and each time he cloaked my soul assault would be purged off. Sometimes I couldnt even have the first tick land on him and I would still lose my ulti.

Chilla_Deluxe

Thats been how it was always since a year ago. Nothing new in shadows of the hist, try a cc then soul assault.

Ankael07

yeah Im doing that already I just wanted to report a bug. Not like Im keeping my hopes high

Skinzz

How is it a bug? Cloak removes radiant as well and both are annoyiny channeled abilities.

Ankael07

Cloak isnt suppose to remove anything but endure the dot damage to 100% reduction.

Brutusmax1mus

This is not a bug. It's how it works.

Tankqull

Ankael07 wrote: »

Cloak isnt suppose to remove anything but endure the dot damage to 100% reduction.

soul assault is not a dot - it requires having a LOS to the VISIBLE target if that is granted the dmg is delivered in a dotish behaviour, non the less DOTs are fire&forget attacks while channels are not.

so the behaviour you observed is correct as it is.

Ashamray

This is an Ultimate, it should not be removed by a simple skill like Purge or Cloak. There are already risk of interruption and it also can be blocked.
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Brrrofski

Do yourself a favour, use something else. Anything.

Skinzz

Ashamray wrote: »

This is an Ultimate, it should not be removed by a simple skill like Purge or Cloak. There are already risk of interruption and it also can be blocked.
@ZOS_GinaBruno

You know all ultimates can be blocked right? Its essentially the same thing. Theres always counters to ultimates

Takes-No-Prisoner

This is why I love cloak. Whenever you get that Jbeam spammer on you, one button press puts them in their place.

CapuchinSeven

Ashamray wrote: »

This is an Ultimate, it should not be removed by a simple skill like Purge or Cloak. There are already risk of interruption and it also can be blocked.
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Soooooo you want an I win button? Cool then in that case, my Soul Harvest can't be blocked or dodged.
Sweet glad we got that sorted.

LegacyDM

Ankael07 wrote: »

Tested this with a friendly nightblade and each time he cloaked my soul assault would be purged off. Sometimes I couldnt even have the first tick land on him and I would still lose my ulti.

Good. Working as intended. What would you have us squishy NBs do? Stand there and take a 50k beam up the ass with no defense? Remember we are the only class without class shields or instant health regen...if they change this or Jesus beam, non tank NBs are screwed with no chance to defend or escape.

Waffennacht

Im pretty sure any attack that has a time and a damage component , is considered a DoT. (Like mines and curse from not to long ago)

I'm fairly sure Soul is a Single Target damage over time channeled ability

Edit: In fact after reading the text, "...dealing x amount of magicka damage over 2.8 seconds..." that is clearly a DoT.

Sharee

Waffennacht wrote: »

Edit: In fact after reading the text, "...dealing x amount of magicka damage over 2.8 seconds..." that is clearly a DoT.

No, that's clearly a channeled ability. Poison injection is a DOT. Burning embers is a DOT.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Well is a very powerful skill that does only cost 100 ult so there has to be some draw backs.

Waffennacht

@Sharee why would a channel mean not also a dot? They are not exclusive

Waffennacht

Hurricane DoT

Flurry DOT and channeled

Rune Prison not broken on Soul, or flurry or hurricane, breaks on non dot... indicator of Dots for said moves

LegacyDM

soul assault is calculated as a dot.

Ashamray wrote: »

This is an Ultimate, it should not be removed by a simple skill like Purge or Cloak. There are already risk of interruption and it also can be blocked.
@ZOS_GinaBruno

You also know that a non tank NB will not be able to absorb the damage by blocking. A min maxed player can get soul assault anywhere between 50-70k damage. NB don't have a class shield or instant heal ability like other classes. We need a hard counter to even remotely survive these beams.

Ankael07

Im not saying nb's should just sit there and take all the damage. Given circumstances they can cloak twice and absorb all the damage instead. What Im saying is if Im preventing them to cloak somehow with AOEs or magelight they should take the remaining ticks from the ulti. Basically I will be countering their counter and I think its not really a brainless gameplay.

EsoRecon

all these stupid magplars defending their beams

runagate

Waffennacht wrote: »

Im pretty sure any attack that has a time and a damage component , is considered a DoT. (Like mines and curse from not to long ago)

I'm fairly sure Soul is a Single Target damage over time channeled ability

Edit: In fact after reading the text, "...dealing x amount of magicka damage over 2.8 seconds..." that is clearly a DoT.

I totally agree with your logic. I was going to mention the 2.8 second duration.

But for whatever reason "channeled" spells are their own category in ESO. Soul Assault has never proc'd Skoria that I've noticed, though admittedly that's from being on the receiving end 100x more often than the one casting it.

zuto40

Without cloak nightblade would be outclassed by nearly everyone lol, it was hard enough using it last patch when everything broke it, this should never change

Waffennacht

@runagate never tried it with skoria, but I know it doesn't break rune prison. Skoria has only 6% proc chance and I kinda doubt the full soul burn is ever seen, it's very likely it just hasn't been witnessed yet

runagate

Waffennacht wrote: »

@runagate never tried it with skoria, but I know it doesn't break rune prison. Skoria has only 6% proc chance and I kinda doubt the full soul burn is ever seen, it's very likely it just hasn't been witnessed yet

I'll test it when I get home from work. I'm trying to level up Soul Assault to get the Soul Shatter morph on one of my many characters, who is a mDK with Skoria.

Vaoh

Please don't change this. I don't play a Nightblade, but this is how it should be.

If they want to cast their Cloak, we have a million different ways to stop them. Try to build up a good burst and CC before casting your Ult instead of just Soul Assaulting away. These are things that make combat interesting.

If I channel a skill on that NB he might Cloak it. If I shoot a projectile at a DK he might reflect it. If I stack DoTs on a Templar he will Purge them. If I root the Magicka Sorc he can only Bolt Escape forward and is basically dead. Smart play. See what I mean? Stuff like this.

Imo, the change to Meteor was extremely stupid. I liked how it used to be both Cloakable and Reflectable. You also cannot Dodge Roll it. If you cast Meteor now, it WILL hit your target. No questions, just mash you buttons to fire and forget. Dumbing down ESO. Changing Soul Assault (and all channels) to utterly negate Cloak would be an absolutely horrible change.

Sharee

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Sharee why would a channel mean not also a dot? They are not exclusive

They actually are exclusive, because that is how ZOS categorized the spells. They differentiate between a DOT spell and a channeled spell, even tho a channeled spell by definition also deals it's damage over time. From game mechanics point of view, the two are a different category of spells that behaves differently in certain situations.

For example, take the dual wield skill flurry. It clearly deals it's damage over a period of time - yet, as far as game mechanic is concerned, it is a channel spell, not a DOT. Using this skill with maelstrom daggers procs a buff that gives damage bonus to the next "single-target damage over time effect" - yet it does not boost the next flurry.

The interaction between soul assault/radiant destruction and cloak works the same - they are considered channels, not DOTs, and thus cloak cancels them, instead of suppressing the ticks like it would with a DOT spell.

Mayrael

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

This is why I love cloak. Whenever you get that Jbeam spammer on you, one button press puts them in their place.

Yeah you get it, but somehow 80% (number out of my a**) ppl on this forum QQ about RD. Learn from this guy, rly.

And if it goes to SA, its always used to be like that and nobody complained as SA is quite cheap and powerful attack.

Sharee

Mayrael wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

This is why I love cloak. Whenever you get that Jbeam spammer on you, one button press puts them in their place.

Yeah you get it, but somehow 80% (number out of my a**) ppl on this forum QQ about RD. Learn from this guy, rly.

It's probably because 80% of this forum aren't nightblades.

Ashamray

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Ashamray wrote: »

This is an Ultimate, it should not be removed by a simple skill like Purge or Cloak. There are already risk of interruption and it also can be blocked.
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Soooooo you want an I win button? Cool then in that case, my Soul Harvest can't be blocked or dodged.
Sweet glad we got that sorted.

It won't be a win button. Its damage isn't really high. In PvE as I know this ultie is even dps loss.
BTW inappropriate comparison. If you want Soul Harvest unblockable and undodgeable, you will get a DoT with cast time

bowmanz607

it is a dot so it gets purged. a channel can be a dot. it is damage over time. soul assualt gives you damage over time. plus, it is boosted by the dot champ star. it is a dot.

other dots operate by being casted and sitting on the player for the dot to tick. soul assualt requires the channel to keep the dot up. since cloak suppresses dots it purges it. it operates differently than other dots because you have broken the channel by suppressing the dot. (after all does not make much since to suppress it but still having it channel on you until you are out of cloak.). other dots are suppressed but stay because it was an instant cast ability that stuck to the player. not a beam of light.

this is not a bug. working as intended