I was given screenshot evidence alleging that CE is still fully functional with a workaround.

SirAndy

KenaPKK wrote: »

I made the following comment in the post What Can You Cheat? earlier today:

They used to be able to fly and spam meteors like light attacks.
I've been told CE can no longer be used. I do not know specifics, though.

I replied to you in the other thread with:

"CE and similar apps have already been adapted and can still be used to cheat."

Unfortunately, your friend is correct ...

Luigi_Vampa

God_flakes wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Whoa whoa whoa get off from your hind legs, dude. This thread you made is complaining about CE. Chief has used CE. He was banned from Mojican's guild for using CE. I can and will finger point at him.

Please finger point him elsewhere. This thread is about solving the issue of CE, not pointing out people who may or may not have used it. Naming and shaming is just going to get this thread locked. (Mods could also clean it up too )

Does it really matter at this point if they lock one thread?! You think they don't know this $hi* is going on? Geez. My eyes just rolled so hard I saw my brain.

Does it really matter at this point if you enter every thread that involves cheating/people you don't like and derail it with your accusations? You seem fine with naming and shaming but I've never seen you post any evidence. Just he said she said, they rekt me ***.

KenaPKK

SirAndy wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

I made the following comment in the post What Can You Cheat? earlier today:

They used to be able to fly and spam meteors like light attacks.
I've been told CE can no longer be used. I do not know specifics, though.

I replied to you in the other thread with:

"CE and similar apps have already been adapted and can still be used to cheat."

Unfortunately, your friend is correct ...

Yea, I saw where you said that.

Someone needs to buy an alt account, jack some lvl 10 up with 800,000 health magicka and stam, and go around one shotting raids with unmorphed skills. I doubt ZOS will do anything without another Armageddon weekend.

Gamerscape2007

I've been really struggling to to play this game, but this news finally Broken me. I lost all enjoyment for this game. Crowfall, me filled that void for me!

SirAndy

KenaPKK wrote: »

Someone needs to buy an alt account, jack some lvl 10 up with 800,000 health magicka and stam, and go around one shotting raids with unmorphed skills. I doubt ZOS will do anything without another Armageddon weekend.

The worst part about all this is that we (myself and several other closed beat testers) warned ZOS about this months before PC launch.

The whole idea that they could make a "trusted client" work to offload server computation resources was without a doubt the worst game design decision made by the ESO team.

This has been going on for 3 years now. At this point, i have no confidence that ZOS will ever be able to fix this completely.
They know what it takes (move *all* vital game decisions to the server side) but they aren't going to spent the money and resources to fix this correctly.

Instead, we will continue to see band-aids, misinformation and a lot of under the rug sweeping in the hopes that players will eventually give up complaining about it.

leepalmer95

Zos's logic amazed me:

You gap close - You get perm banned.
You hack the foundation of the game with CE, you get temp banned with a 'stern' warning, don't do it again you naughty child...
You duplicate mats, make billion in gold, break the economy and you get 3 days ban and keep your mats.
You exploit bugs such the as camo/caltraps and farm millions of ap by 1 hitting 60+ people at a time with caltraps, nothing.
You exploit the multiple mundus bug by having an advantage over everyone for months, you get it removed and thats it.
You use bugs to farm gear, it gets patched and nothing.
You use broken equipment to have an advantage in pvp/pve e.g. Salvation/Malubeth, nothing.


But hey don't you gap close into a keep, don't you use a basic game mechanic that zos somehow messed up within 1 patch, don't you use that bug which was found first week of pts, videoed, reported and ignored by zos. The same one that was let into the game and left for a month, the same type thats been in the game since it came out. The one zos decided to ignore for years until suddenly they decided to randomly post on the forum which 99.99% people don't visit and decide to suddenly perma ban people for it without communication, every other competent dev team would of communicated it.

Game could of been great if Bethesda didn't hand over their franchise and game to a rookie company who 2.5 years later still don't have a clue.

leepalmer95

KenaPKK wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

I made the following comment in the post What Can You Cheat? earlier today:

They used to be able to fly and spam meteors like light attacks.
I've been told CE can no longer be used. I do not know specifics, though.

I replied to you in the other thread with:

"CE and similar apps have already been adapted and can still be used to cheat."

Unfortunately, your friend is correct ...

Yea, I saw where you said that.

Someone needs to buy an alt account, jack some lvl 10 up with 800,000 health magicka and stam, and go around one shotting raids with unmorphed skills. I doubt ZOS will do anything without another Armageddon weekend.

I can imagine this scenerio.

stam sorc, pop an imov pot, goes full speed build and just runs through a zerg with hurricane and watches as everyone dies.

Or just caltraps a ball group, like to see aoe save the pugs when they get hit with a 200,000 tooltip caltraps.

KenaPKK

leepalmer95 wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

I made the following comment in the post What Can You Cheat? earlier today:

They used to be able to fly and spam meteors like light attacks.
I've been told CE can no longer be used. I do not know specifics, though.

I replied to you in the other thread with:

"CE and similar apps have already been adapted and can still be used to cheat."

Unfortunately, your friend is correct ...

Yea, I saw where you said that.

Someone needs to buy an alt account, jack some lvl 10 up with 800,000 health magicka and stam, and go around one shotting raids with unmorphed skills. I doubt ZOS will do anything without another Armageddon weekend.

I can imagine this scenerio.

stam sorc, pop an imov pot, goes full speed build and just runs through a zerg with hurricane and watches as everyone dies.

Or just caltraps a ball group, like to see aoe save the pugs when they get hit with a 200,000 tooltip caltraps.

LOL I prefer the lawnmower stam sorc!!

Sheezabeast

Ara_Valleria

Disgusting.

@KenaPKK you should have posted this on the official thread, just to reach a bigger audience.
ZOS wont even look at this unless there is an uproar from majority of ESO/pve community, or a divine meteor shower followed by ascension of Demi-gods, like last time.

Rohamad_Ali

Rohamad_Ali

Go ahead an blow up Cyrodiil again . Release the kraken . Embarrassing ZOS a second time won't change anything . It's like Sir Andy said , they won't move everything server side , the won't buy a overwatch system or pay ingame GM's to monitor anything . Besides you'll just get unbanned in a week anyway . Silly bothering with this issue . I could rather be doing anything thing else then worried or waiting for ZOS to find a fix .

Force-Siphon

This is pathetic that it's still going on

leepalmer95

I still can't believe an mmo can be hacked with CE in 2016.

It's CE.

Games like runescape couldn't be hacked with CE even when it first came out like 15 years ago.

The message here is runescape in 2001 had better cheat protection than a full on mmorpg in 2016.

Chief_

I honestly thought that it was over. Pretty disappointing zos.

OGLezard

@ZOS_RichLambert you are aware it is back yes?

SleepyTroll

What if everyone started sending emails to the big mmoprg websites or what ever to make an article about it. I'm sure they could run an article talking about how a aaa mmo in 2016 can still be hacked with CE. Everyone allready loves to hate on ESO. Maybe that would get ZOS atention without risking players getting banned again.

Maybe this is against the tos though idk. Would love for this all to be over though.

OGLezard

SleepyTroll wrote: »

What if everyone started sending emails to the big mmoprg websites or what ever to make an article about it. I'm sure they could run an article talking about how a aaa mmo in 2016 can still be hacked with CE. Everyone allready loves to hate on ESO. Maybe that would get ZOS atention without risking players getting banned again.

Do i smell another eso revamp: Elderscrolls Online: Cheat Engine United?

Scamandros

I think its something to do with those grass munching lizards and their multiple stomachs. Allows them to digest multiple food portions at once until it reaches 90k. I never trusted them in the first place

Wollust

Post this under General Discussion, we all know the Aliance War has been forsaken by ZoS.
This needs attention.

Kelces

I have seen this happening with other games and the companies always had similar issues, you can't really blame them. It's hard to catch up with those kinds of applications. They regularly update the versions and maybe even receive donations, just as it is the case with addons. When you think about that, completely getting rid of this problem is close to impossible.

Even if ZOS was to implement a spy-program to seek out third party programs, it would probably make little difference as it was in other games. I get the feeling, it may be even some people, who have detailed knowledge about the game as the developers themselves. That's how so called "private servers" come about.

kevlarto_ESO

Remember when CE first came to light in a big way, then we had like a week of pvp, that was totally different, was the most balance week in pvp I ever seen in the game, it was like night and day, and the amount of people using the cheat engine was staggering, and all those so called 1v x'ers stopped posting videos we learned that a lot of these players that tried to sell themselves as exceptional players turned out to be cheaters, what a shame, sad thing now is if your are a pro player there will be that cloud of cheating over everyone's head.

This just reinforces what a lot of us believed that there is still way to use the CE and not get detected, and there plenty of cheating scum ready to jump on the cheat wagon again, do they not realize this is just killing the game, this is getting me close to saying goodbye, and I am huge fan of the game.

There are no legit builds in the game, that lets you dodge roll infinitely or just dodge with out rolling 10+ times in a row, block infinitely, take damage from 20 players while putting out massive damage at the same time, these are all cheats, broken game mechanics, Zos you can't be soft on cheater, because cheating and lying about cheating goes hand in hand.

I was watching a some what well known twitch stream the other day watched the streamer roll dodge at least 20 times never lost stamina, in fact while rolling gained the stamina back in the roll, again no legit build will allow this.


The use of any kind of cheating, and exploiting should not have to be tolerated by the players that are here to play and have fun and play honest, it is a real crying shame in today's gaming.

God_flakes

Typhoios wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Whoa whoa whoa get off from your hind legs, dude. This thread you made is complaining about CE. Chief has used CE. He was banned from Mojican's guild for using CE. I can and will finger point at him.

Please finger point him elsewhere. This thread is about solving the issue of CE, not pointing out people who may or may not have used it. Naming and shaming is just going to get this thread locked. (Mods could also clean it up too )

Does it really matter at this point if they lock one thread?! You think they don't know this $hi* is going on? Geez. My eyes just rolled so hard I saw my brain.

Does it really matter at this point if you enter every thread that involves cheating/people you don't like and derail it with your accusations? You seem fine with naming and shaming but I've never seen you post any evidence. Just he said she said, they rekt me ***.

Why are you so defensive of Chief/Jordaen? @manny254

Rylana

*sigh*

Good job guys, abusing this destroyed our gaming community, well fricken done.

Idiots.

Luigi_Vampa

God_flakes wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Whoa whoa whoa get off from your hind legs, dude. This thread you made is complaining about CE. Chief has used CE. He was banned from Mojican's guild for using CE. I can and will finger point at him.

Please finger point him elsewhere. This thread is about solving the issue of CE, not pointing out people who may or may not have used it. Naming and shaming is just going to get this thread locked. (Mods could also clean it up too )

Does it really matter at this point if they lock one thread?! You think they don't know this $hi* is going on? Geez. My eyes just rolled so hard I saw my brain.

Does it really matter at this point if you enter every thread that involves cheating/people you don't like and derail it with your accusations? You seem fine with naming and shaming but I've never seen you post any evidence. Just he said she said, they rekt me ***.

Why are you so defensive of Chief/Jordaen? @manny254

I'm not. I don't know these guys personally. I play on PC EU so I only know this NA drama from the forums. I just find it annoying that there are these players that apparently can't post anything without you or some of the others (I don't know if you're all friends or what) coming in and throwing around accusations. It seems like you never have any evidence, just accusations.

Even if the video isn't related you guys will try to start stuff. Jules congratulated a guy on his small scale video and some idiot has to come in and reference that 'Exposed' thread quoting her and commenting "How did you get away with it?" Not everything is about them or about you. Send your complaints and evidence to ZOS.

I'm not saying these guys don't cheat. I don't know. I've never played with them or against them. I'm just tired of reading the same he said, she said nonsense. You say he was banned. He says he wasn't. Where do we go from there?

I'm not defending these players. I don't think they would even need me to do so. I'm just tired of every CE thread (and some that have nothing to do with cheating) devolving in to these arguments about who is cheating. That is for ZOS to work out and you should send evidence and complaints to them. All you are doing is adding to this notion that is already prevalent in game that anyone who is good or 1vXs some scrubs is a cheater.

I want to get this CE under control, not just have a witch hunt over people you think used it. We can't change how ZOS has addressed this in the past we can just try to work with them to find out ways to prevent it. That is what Kena's thread is about. It is letting ZOS know that there is a workaround so hopefully they can check it out and increase the security of their CE checks. What the thread isn't is a soapbox for you to stand on and call out all the players that you don't like/expect of cheating.

ZOS_PeterT

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