[Concept] Setting the Rank new Guild Members start as

UltimaJoe777

If we could do this we could actually establish ranks one could actually be demoted to for breaking rules, being inactive, etc. without actually kicking them out. Right now all new recruits start at the lowest rank in the guild, but if we could set what rank they start at instead of the lowest that would give us more freedom over rank purpose!

Nestor

You can already do that. Sort of.

In our guild, members come in at L1, what ever that is named. Then, if we want to Silence them because they cuss up guild chat or are other wise annoying other guild mates, we "promote" them to the next rank that has less privileges, like no Chat. What is weird is if we want to promote someone, then we move them to the 2nd rank, which is a demotion, then move them to the third, or whatever is appropriate to give them the promotion.

I agree it's kind of backwards to do this. But not all guilds might want to demote problem members, instead just show them the door. So, this way people can set up the ranks the way that they want.

Would it be nice if we could start a member at say L2, leaving L1 for putting them on probation? Yes.

UltimaJoe777

Nestor wrote: »

You can already do that. Sort of.

In our guild, members come in at L1, what ever that is named. Then, if we want to Silence them because they cuss up guild chat or are other wise annoying other guild mates, we "promote" them to the next rank that has less privileges, like no Chat. What is weird is if we want to promote someone, then we move them to the 2nd rank, which is a demotion, then move them to the third, or whatever is appropriate to give them the promotion.

I agree it's kind of backwards to do this. But not all guilds might want to demote problem members, instead just show them the door. So, this way people can set up the ranks the way that they want.

Would it be nice if we could start a member at say L2, leaving L1 for putting them on probation? Yes.

Yeah that's why I propose we be able to set what rank newcomers start as, so we can DEMOTE them to a "punishing" rank instead of promote them.

MissBizz

Nestor wrote: »

You can already do that. Sort of.

In our guild, members come in at L1, what ever that is named. Then, if we want to Silence them because they cuss up guild chat or are other wise annoying other guild mates, we "promote" them to the next rank that has less privileges, like no Chat. What is weird is if we want to promote someone, then we move them to the 2nd rank, which is a demotion, then move them to the third, or whatever is appropriate to give them the promotion.

I agree it's kind of backwards to do this. But not all guilds might want to demote problem members, instead just show them the door. So, this way people can set up the ranks the way that they want.

Would it be nice if we could start a member at say L2, leaving L1 for putting them on probation? Yes.

We never need to "fake" demote them, it's just you need to make sure they get promoted twice when receiving an actual promotion (since promoting them once puts them as silenced).

I would really enjoy being able to set what rank a guild member starts as (I was actually the one that implemented that weird plan Nestor explains) but it would be nice to give moderating members just the ability to demote (to the lower "temp ban" rank) rather than them being able to promote. We've never had issues, but hey, some people never have issues with guild banks being cleaned out either.

Dubhliam

This can be easily set up by a guild if that bothers someone.

Simply make the lowest level muted/penalized.
Anyone that has the invite right should also have the promote right.
Then whenever someone gets invited, he should promote that new member right after that.

starkerealm

Dubhliam wrote: »

This can be easily set up by a guild if that bothers someone.

Simply make the lowest level muted/penalized.
Anyone that has the invite right should also have the promote right.
Then whenever someone gets invited, he should promote that new member right after that.

That can lead to a host of issues regarding permissions. Especially if the general rank and file has invite permissions, but not promotion permissions (which is a fairly reasonable situation to be in).

UltimaJoe777

Dubhliam wrote: »

This can be easily set up by a guild if that bothers someone.

Simply make the lowest level muted/penalized.
Anyone that has the invite right should also have the promote right.
Then whenever someone gets invited, he should promote that new member right after that.

Which can easily lead to problems to be honest. Many guilds prefer to have most of their members able to recruit, while only a few able to fiddle with ranks depending on trust levels.

MissBizz

Dubhliam wrote: »

This can be easily set up by a guild if that bothers someone.

Simply make the lowest level muted/penalized.
Anyone that has the invite right should also have the promote right.
Then whenever someone gets invited, he should promote that new member right after that.

@Dubhliam That doesn't work very good if the person you are inviting isn't online to accept. Then when they do accept... they can't do anything, because the "inviter" may no longer be online.

Dubhliam

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

This can be easily set up by a guild if that bothers someone.

Simply make the lowest level muted/penalized.
Anyone that has the invite right should also have the promote right.
Then whenever someone gets invited, he should promote that new member right after that.

Which can easily lead to problems to be honest. Many guilds prefer to have most of their members able to recruit, while only a few able to fiddle with ranks depending on trust levels.

I understand guilds usually give invitation rights more freely than the promote rights, but I find that if you have a healthy base of officers, there will always be one officer online to do the invitation.
More serious guilds don't give invitation rights to lower ranks.

MissBizz wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

This can be easily set up by a guild if that bothers someone.

Simply make the lowest level muted/penalized.
Anyone that has the invite right should also have the promote right.
Then whenever someone gets invited, he should promote that new member right after that.

@Dubhliam That doesn't work very good if the person you are inviting isn't online to accept. Then when they do accept... they can't do anything, because the "inviter" may no longer be online.

Yes, that could be a problem.

But then again, all of this is done just to organize the guild ranks in cascading order.
It comes down to how much people are willing to sacrifice in order to have an organized guild ranking system.

Nevertheless, I don't think @UltimaJoe777 's suggestion is a bad one.
It wouldn't be that hard to implement.

@ZOS_RichLambert even mentioned that there will be updates that will improve on the tools guilds have, we actually might see some improvements in the ranking system in the (not so) near future.
He mentioned that recruiting options would be the first to come, and this is closely connected to it.

AlnilamE

Nestor wrote: »

You can already do that. Sort of.

In our guild, members come in at L1, what ever that is named. Then, if we want to Silence them because they cuss up guild chat or are other wise annoying other guild mates, we "promote" them to the next rank that has less privileges, like no Chat. What is weird is if we want to promote someone, then we move them to the 2nd rank, which is a demotion, then move them to the third, or whatever is appropriate to give them the promotion.

I agree it's kind of backwards to do this. But not all guilds might want to demote problem members, instead just show them the door. So, this way people can set up the ranks the way that they want.

Would it be nice if we could start a member at say L2, leaving L1 for putting them on probation? Yes.

Yeah, we do the same thing. The OP's idea is definitely a "nice to have" though.