Why isnt there dynamic world events in Cyrodill ZOS!?!?!?

Avenias

You have one big bloody map that you can mess around with, yet until now there is not even one dynamic special event organised by u guys. If it wasnt for dedicated pvp guilds organising events, or popular players hosting cool pvp events, like the argonian dragon knight hosted by Sypher, which was bloody fun btw no matter which side u were on, pvp would be boring as hell. The least you guys can do is learn from these players/guilds and find out what ppl enjoys in pvp, then organise events of those nature. A big ass boss spawn in cyrodill that needs the help of multiple full parties to take down will be a nice start, where the winning faction gives exclusive cool *** out to those who participated. Its the bare minimum guys, the bare bloody minimum. Do something, anything.

Shogunami

There are quite a few things that ZOS failed with in ESO, Cyrodiil being the biggest failure of all.
I mean, ESO is still probably the best MMO ever made, but it's riddled with bugs, problems and stupid, laughable, idiotic and inane concepts/systems that hasn't been attended to since release.
(Indeed I got censored again, this time manually. +1 you fascists. You censor me - I find synonyms)


There are absolutley no dynamic events in the entirety of ESO. Dolmens seemed so cool before the game was released, I imagined it would be something like the rifts in Rift (It's a daedric invasion for crying out loud!!!?) where enemies came rushing out and you had to stop them or they would destroy the zone. But no, it's just this stupid thing you run up to and solo (been able to solo every single Dolmen with my NB since release, once I learned how to play properly), get not even a remotely satisfying reward except for the exp and then it's over. Gee, thanks.

In PvP it's the same thing over and over again. Find a small group, fight some other small groups and have a good time. Unless ofc it's 75% of the time when it's not even possible to have an enjoyable PvP experience - there's just a zerg, forced objectives that are pointless and lag.
That is what Cyrodiil is. Zerg, lag and no incentive to do anything really. I WANT to PvP, but ESO tries so hard to make every PvPer rage quit the game


At this point I agree with you.
Please ZOS, for the love of God and for every single one of your PvP fans, do something, ANYTHING.



Having said all of this I'm not going anywhere, not yet anyway. ESO is the only MMO I want to play and if ZOS don't toughen up and wake up it will be the last MMO I ever play.

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DRXHarbinger

There should be a pve Cyro. You know like the initial advert where all 3 alliances turned up to arms each other but somehow Mannimarco was on the wgt and sent thousands of xivkyn (somehow Xivkyn weren't around at launch but ok) out to cut them all down, we should be able to play that out, siege and everything.

Not a pve carebear cry but it was advertised and it would be fun to have a mass scale battle like that.

makreth

Avenias wrote: »

You have one big bloody map that you can mess around with, yet until now there is not even one dynamic special event organised by u guys. If it wasnt for dedicated pvp guilds organising events, or popular players hosting cool pvp events, like the argonian dragon knight hosted by Sypher, which was bloody fun btw no matter which side u were on, pvp would be boring as hell. The least you guys can do is learn from these players/guilds and find out what ppl enjoys in pvp, then organise events of those nature. A big ass boss spawn in cyrodill that needs the help of multiple full parties to take down will be a nice start, where the winning faction gives exclusive cool *** out to those who participated. Its the bare minimum guys, the bare bloody minimum. Do something, anything.

Are you serious? Remember the last time with the cake? Extreme lag, disconnections all the time etc etc in a zone.

Cyrodiil has lag on its own and you want to add that to an already heavy load by bringing groups together? Oh boy. Events are cool but I don't think they can handle anything like that for cyrodiil.

Avenias

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

There should be a pve Cyro. You know like the initial advert where all 3 alliances turned up to arms each other but somehow Mannimarco was on the wgt and sent thousands of xivkyn (somehow Xivkyn weren't around at launch but ok) out to cut them all down, we should be able to play that out, siege and everything.

Not a pve carebear cry but it was advertised and it would be fun to have a mass scale battle like that.

Im looking for mass scale event, not the crap in IC. Mass scale events where u need a *** load of players from all 3 faction to fight for the objective, if not ur faction will not win. Something big, messy, chaotic, with ppl going nuts, some screaming to themselves, some tea bagging, some crying. Last but not least, lots and lots of seige weps, make it look like all hell is breaking loose on cyrodill.

Avenias

Oh and preferably on the weekends where most ppl can log in.

Shogunami

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

but it was advertised and it would be fun to have a mass scale battle like that.

They advertised and promised a lot of things that they backed down on - half of the game more or less, namely the PvP which a lot of people were lead to believe was the main feature of ESO. It's what the cinematic trailers all show - large scale PvP with some deadric invasion in the mix.

altemriel

Avenias wrote: »

You have one big bloody map that you can mess around with, yet until now there is not even one dynamic special event organised by u guys. If it wasnt for dedicated pvp guilds organising events, or popular players hosting cool pvp events, like the argonian dragon knight hosted by Sypher, which was bloody fun btw no matter which side u were on, pvp would be boring as hell. The least you guys can do is learn from these players/guilds and find out what ppl enjoys in pvp, then organise events of those nature. A big ass boss spawn in cyrodill that needs the help of multiple full parties to take down will be a nice start, where the winning faction gives exclusive cool *** out to those who participated. Its the bare minimum guys, the bare bloody minimum. Do something, anything.

I totally agree with you, I totally imagine a scene like in this video 6:28
https://youtu.be/uuHWWC9xxmk?t=6m28s

a huge anchor would fall just like that from the sky and some big monsters and boss would come, it would require at least 10 players averagely to kill them, special rewards, new Cyrodiil-world-event-motifs and gold and stuff!!


@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_TristanK @lambertllb14_ESO @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

DRXHarbinger

Shogunami wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

but it was advertised and it would be fun to have a mass scale battle like that.

They advertised and promised a lot of things that they backed down on - half of the game more or less, namely the PvP which a lot of people were lead to believe was the main feature of ESO. It's what the cinematic trailers all show - large scale PvP with some deadric invasion in the mix.

And instead....there is only zergs..they should reduce the size of the map by half... half of it isn't needed and would be far far better.

Shogunami

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

And instead....there is only zergs..they should reduce the size of the map by half... half of it isn't needed and would be far far better.

I would really like old classic battlegrounds. 1v1 or 1v1v1 teams, I don't care. Anything is better than Cyrodiil tbh haha.

kevlarto_ESO

Shogunami wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

but it was advertised and it would be fun to have a mass scale battle like that.

They advertised and promised a lot of things that they backed down on - half of the game more or less, namely the PvP which a lot of people were lead to believe was the main feature of ESO. It's what the cinematic trailers all show - large scale PvP with some deadric invasion in the mix.

At one time I think a lot of the things they were talking about was in the works, then they changed the payment method and go rid of most of the original dev team, which in other games that have went through this it is a game changer and anything said before those changes are no longer valid, sad but true seen it happen in several online games, I wish for once a game would come out and the company stick to it's plans.

altemriel

or dynamic pvp events, some daedric demi-lord throws a huge arena anchor down and you can come and fight there in various setups (1v1, 1v2, 1v3, 1vx, 1vmonster(s), 1vboss(es))

ArchMikem

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

There should be a pve Cyro. You know like the initial advert where all 3 alliances turned up to arms each other but somehow Mannimarco was on the wgt and sent thousands of xivkyn (somehow Xivkyn weren't around at launch but ok) out to cut them all down, we should be able to play that out, siege and everything.

Not a pve carebear cry but it was advertised and it would be fun to have a mass scale battle like that.

The game should have been much more true to the trailers they put out. A massive siege to liberate a Daedric occupied Imperial City would have been INSANELY more enjoyable than the infuriating PvP we actually get. Instead of the awesome siege of the city walls we were teased to, we invade the Imperial City through sewer tunnels, to which we then go on Daedra hunting parties for Stones, while getting ganked by Nightblades from the other Alliances here and there?

Jade1986

Shogunami wrote: »

There are quite a few things that ZOS failed with in ESO, Cyrodiil being the biggest failure of all.
I mean, ESO is still probably the best MMO ever made, but it's riddled with bugs and problems and re-tarded (why the frakk would you censor this word? I mean it, by the very definition of the word - it's re-tarded, not thought through, way behind other games, poorly developed. Don't you dare censor me, you fascists!) concepts/systems that hasn't been attended to since release.

There are absolutley no dynamic events in the entirety of ESO. Dolmens seemed so cool before the game was released, I imagined it would be something like the rifts in Rift (It's a daedric invasion for crying out loud!!!?) where enemies came rushing out and you had to stop them or they would destroy the zone. But no, it's just this stupid thing you run up to and solo (been able to solo every single Dolmen with my NB since release, once I learned how to play properly), get not even a remotely satisfying reward except for the exp and then it's over. Gee, thanks.

In PvP it's the same thing over and over again. Find a small group, fight some other small groups and have a good time. Unless ofc it's 75% of the time when it's not even possible to have an enjoyable PvP experience - there's just a zerg, forced objectives that are pointless and lag.
That is what Cyrodiil is. Zerg, lag and no incentive to do anything really. I WANT to PvP, but ESO tries so hard to make every PvPer rage quit the game


At this point I agree with you.
Please ZOS, for the love of God and for every single one of your PvP fans, do something, ANYTHING.



Having said all of this I'm not going anywhere, not yet anyway. ESO is the only MMO I want to play and if ZOS don't toughen up and wake up it will be the last MMO I ever play.

Cyro used to be pretty much lag free, and was full of wildlife and other stuff, but all that was removed because they changed server types way back.

We do need some events though. There are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many holidays and events in TES universe.

drakhan2002_ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

The game should have been much more true to the trailers they put out.

No offense here...but do you also buy books based on their cover?

It seems like a few people in this thread feel like they are not getting what they want from this game, yet they still feel it worth playing. If that's the case, why complain? Just curious. If you're not happy, there are other games out there probably offer a better PVP experience.

Sotha_Sil

Avenias wrote: »

You have one big bloody map that you can mess around with, yet until now there is not even one dynamic special event organised by u guys. If it wasnt for dedicated pvp guilds organising events, or popular players hosting cool pvp events, like the argonian dragon knight hosted by Sypher, which was bloody fun btw no matter which side u were on, pvp would be boring as hell. The least you guys can do is learn from these players/guilds and find out what ppl enjoys in pvp, then organise events of those nature. A big ass boss spawn in cyrodill that needs the help of multiple full parties to take down will be a nice start, where the winning faction gives exclusive cool *** out to those who participated. Its the bare minimum guys, the bare bloody minimum. Do something, anything.

I think this is what they had in mind when they designed molag bal in IC. However it turned out to be a disappointment because the rewards were strictly pve and it was just there for grinding, not connected to pvp & cyrodiil at all, which is a shame really. IC could have been that badass place where you fight against daedric events to get to the ruby throne where all three alliance would fight at the same place to crown an IC emperor. But, yeah i'm dreaming.

ArchMikem

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

The game should have been much more true to the trailers they put out.

No offense here...but do you also buy books based on their cover?

It seems like a few people in this thread feel like they are not getting what they want from this game, yet they still feel it worth playing. If that's the case, why complain? Just curious. If you're not happy, there are other games out there probably offer a better PVP experience.

"Don't judge a book by it's cover" doesn't actually apply to real books for me. Illustrations are supposed to aid you in visualizing the world you're diving into. (The summary on the back also helps.) But we're not talking about books.

In general, the act of misleading is widely frowned upon, no matter the topic. I'm not complaining though, I myself was just describing an opinion that could be taken as criticism. And I feel my criticism wasn't too negative. Though I'll always be biased against Competitive Multiplayer.

tryia3b14a_ESO

What you guys are asking for are called raids in other games and it is the single least popular type of content as far as number of players that participate. The larger scale the raid, the less people will do them. Games like WoW even introduced mini "flex" versions of raids and did away with the 40 player versions of them to make the content that they spent so much time on accessible to more people.

Personally, I have 0 interest in large scale pve battles. I did 40 person raiding in Everquest and in vanilla WoW, but I don't have that kind of time anymore.

If a gaint boss started taking over Cyrodiil, I'd be one of the players trying to ninja keeps while the other factions are occupied. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make a pvper care about pve.

Necrelios

They have so much room and potential for some kind of huge daedric invasions with all faction large scale wars like in the cinematics too. It seems like the kind of thing that would be fun to work on, from a developer perspective it would be a fun and challenging project. It would be awesome to see something like this eventually.

I thought there was supposed to be some huge war brewing with the daedric princes too so that is like the perfect setting for something like this. It would explain things like maelstrom arena, and all the little hints laid out like bread crumbs in the DLC's which all point to something big happening SOON™.

Avenias

tryia3b14a_ESO wrote: »

What you guys are asking for are called raids in other games and it is the single least popular type of content as far as number of players that participate. The larger scale the raid, the less people will do them. Games like WoW even introduced mini "flex" versions of raids and did away with the 40 player versions of them to make the content that they spent so much time on accessible to more people.

Personally, I have 0 interest in large scale pve battles. I did 40 person raiding in Everquest and in vanilla WoW, but I don't have that kind of time anymore.

If a gaint boss started taking over Cyrodiil, I'd be one of the players trying to ninja keeps while the other factions are occupied. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make a pvper care about pve.

Yes its a raid, but its a open raid. No waiting time, u gather up and go.

tplink3r1

Avenias wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

There should be a pve Cyro. You know like the initial advert where all 3 alliances turned up to arms each other but somehow Mannimarco was on the wgt and sent thousands of xivkyn (somehow Xivkyn weren't around at launch but ok) out to cut them all down, we should be able to play that out, siege and everything.

Not a pve carebear cry but it was advertised and it would be fun to have a mass scale battle like that.

Im looking for mass scale event, not the crap in IC. Mass scale events where u need a *** load of players from all 3 faction to fight for the objective, if not ur faction will not win. Something big, messy, chaotic, with ppl going nuts, some screaming to themselves, some tea bagging, some crying. Last but not least, lots and lots of seige weps, make it look like all hell is breaking loose on cyrodill.

Lol

DRXHarbinger

Avenias wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

There should be a pve Cyro. You know like the initial advert where all 3 alliances turned up to arms each other but somehow Mannimarco was on the wgt and sent thousands of xivkyn (somehow Xivkyn weren't around at launch but ok) out to cut them all down, we should be able to play that out, siege and everything.

Not a pve carebear cry but it was advertised and it would be fun to have a mass scale battle like that.

Im looking for mass scale event, not the crap in IC. Mass scale events where u need a *** load of players from all 3 faction to fight for the objective, if not ur faction will not win. Something big, messy, chaotic, with ppl going nuts, some screaming to themselves, some tea bagging, some crying. Last but not least, lots and lots of seige weps, make it look like all hell is breaking loose on cyrodill.

Never said IC. Watch the cinematic that'd loaded into the game. WGT is right in the middle of a massive field essentially and all 3 alliances and the Xivkyn are having a right ruck. Massive flesh abominations everywhere, siege up. Would be great to actually have this. Maxed out servers, 1000 xivkyn and bosses to burn with ballista, would be a great new "zone capture" fight for the tower...but then they added a feeble Kena to control it instead and locked it behind a dungeon...poor show.

Avenias

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Avenias wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

There should be a pve Cyro. You know like the initial advert where all 3 alliances turned up to arms each other but somehow Mannimarco was on the wgt and sent thousands of xivkyn (somehow Xivkyn weren't around at launch but ok) out to cut them all down, we should be able to play that out, siege and everything.

Not a pve carebear cry but it was advertised and it would be fun to have a mass scale battle like that.

Im looking for mass scale event, not the crap in IC. Mass scale events where u need a *** load of players from all 3 faction to fight for the objective, if not ur faction will not win. Something big, messy, chaotic, with ppl going nuts, some screaming to themselves, some tea bagging, some crying. Last but not least, lots and lots of seige weps, make it look like all hell is breaking loose on cyrodill.

Lol

I was describing a seige battle i took part in, within the BWB campaign. It was AD (attackers) vs DC(defenders). If im not wrong it was at alessia. So the battle took about 2hr 30min, give or take, and i was on the AD team. After about 2hrs, ppl started to go nuts, literally. Some were on the chat with all caps rage, idk who they were talking to. Some were tea bagging the dead DC, some with the emote shovel, some crying, some dancing. Eventually the defenders started to run out of seige equipments and their nunbers slowly dwindled to the point where it was ok to just charge in and flush out the remainders. It was a bloody fun battle and well worth the time and effort. Had to burn a lot of FCs though.

Snowstrider

I agree. Esos world just feels so dull and soulless and its a shame since i love tamriel.
There just isnt a sense of community

Avenias

Snowstrider wrote: »

I agree. Esos world just feels so dull and soulless and its a shame since i love tamriel.
There just isnt a sense of community

There is a strong community out here. Dedicated guilds, popular players hosting seige battles and stuff. But there is only so much a player can do to compensate the lack of effort from the devs part.

Miszou

Guild Wars 2 has giant world bosses that requires hundreds of players to take down. It's kinda fun but the game had several other flaws that caused me to stop playing as soon as I reached max level.

In all honesty though, PvP in MMO's is always a bit crap, due largely to the huge gear disparity between casuals and people that started practicing and theory-crafting in the closed beta...

If I want to PvP, I'll pull up a first-person shooter (or something similar), where the playing field is actually balanced and real skill matters far more than gear. Global Agenda was a perfect example of this.

Avenias

Miszou wrote: »

Guild Wars 2 has giant world bosses that requires hundreds of players to take down. It's kinda fun but the game had several other flaws that caused me to stop playing as soon as I reached max level.

In all honesty though, PvP in MMO's is always a bit crap, due largely to the huge gear disparity between casuals and people that started practicing and theory-crafting in the closed beta...

If I want to PvP, I'll pull up a first-person shooter (or something similar), where the playing field is actually balanced and real skill matters far more than gear. Global Agenda was a perfect example of this.

Thats why i wouldnt touch vet pvp even with a 10foot pole. BWB is much much more balanced. Occasionally u will see macros and cheat engines, but thats about it. No where near as much powercreep as the vet pvp areas.

AgentofKhaoss

Maybe I'm thinking too big, but couldn't they add the aspect of a random Daedra attack on a keep. Siege, the Daedra just stand around. Or can you add an imperial push too.

The NPC push wouldn't be too difficult unless you are severely under manned. Make late night pvp more interesting and make those after hours emperors have to work harder to get the crown.

To take it farther, have the mobs in the imperial city move in a more random pattern rather than just spawn. Maybe that is too much to ask.

Jade1986

AgentofKhaoss wrote: »

Maybe I'm thinking too big, but couldn't they add the aspect of a random Daedra attack on a keep. Siege, the Daedra just stand around. Or can you add an imperial push too.

The NPC push wouldn't be too difficult unless you are severely under manned. Make late night pvp more interesting and make those after hours emperors have to work harder to get the crown.

To take it farther, have the mobs in the imperial city move in a more random pattern rather than just spawn. Maybe that is too much to ask.

That sounds perfectly reasonable actually.

Kalante

It would be cool if there was an instant event were a huge boss with 1 billion health spawned near the keep and one shot everyone. That would be pretty awesome. A successful defense would be easy 50k AP along with the defence tick overall netting probably a good 60k to 100k AP depending how long the fight took. The only thing is that the castle walls would need to scale along with the event in order to take more abuse other than just the regular 200k health that they have.

They need to make instant events that grant AP depending on the difficulty. The one i made being on the harder side.

Bromburak

Shogunami wrote: »

There are quite a few things that ZOS failed with in ESO, Cyrodiil being the biggest failure of all.

I don't agree and imo @ZOS_BrianWheeler is one of the best PvP designers in this business since DAOC.
The question is why some of the outstanding mechanics and innovations from DAOC didn't find their way into ESO or only a very simplified version of it.

Sure it's a different game and I am not expecting Brian to copy DAOC but when you compare something like relic raids with scroll raids or DAOC PvP dungeons with IC then ESO really looks bad but it's not the biggest failure.

I would say that performance and combat is the biggest failure of all.