Reactions to Criticism

CapnPhoton

You could just ignore them...

So many non-constructive posts and replies such as rants, complaints about ZOS and players are just people looking for attention.

Ya know?

I_killed_Vivec

A post complaining about the way people complain about complaints other people make??????

There are a lot of people "complaining" here who are really just upset that the game isn't implemented the way they want it.

It doesn't matter if it's unpopular, it doesn't matter if it's infeasible, impractical or uneconomical. It doesn't even matter if it's been discussed to death many, many, many times before. They want the game their way and won't be happy until it is.

And if you happen to disagree then you are a "fanboi", someone who deludedly supports ZoS no matter what they do (or indeed don't do).

You're not necessarily wrong if you don't happen to agree with criticism...

Mettaricana

The one I hate the most is the classic "I'd rather they fix bugs than divert any attention, resource , thought to (insert idea here)" its like people who care only about trials shot down my topic for group dungeons a while back because it wasn't about trials...

Elfbait

Mettaricana wrote: »

The one I hate the most is the classic "I'd rather they fix bugs than divert any attention, resource , thought to (insert idea here)" its like people who care only about trials shot down my topic for group dungeons a while back because it wasn't about trials...

That one is totally ridiculous, I agree. It reveals such a naive understanding of how things work. Like... there are multiple departments, each with their own sphere of tasks and concerns. It's not a zero sum game.

Bromburak

Mashille wrote: »

In addition a lot of people who provide criticism to something ZOS does are not hating on the game or trying to be rude or offensive towards the developers, they are simply providing feedback so that the game can improve because they want the game to improve and get better. Most likely because they like the game and / or are passionate about it and want to see it develop further into the future.

Deciders only care about player statistics and revenue. So everything seems to be alright from their perspective right now. The reality is as long customers don't quit to demonstrate that they are totally pissed off with the way of how ZOS is dealing with certain things in the game, there is no reason for a company to believe something is wrong.

Unfortunately some issues did run out of control and it doesn't really seem like it's taken care off or that ZOS was really paying attention to some of the feedback. Of course many times they do, but we cannot use this as an excuse to justify other open issues.
And yes this can be frustrating for staff as well, because they are passionated and work hard and it's barely appreciated.
But that's how business works and as a gaming company you must have a common understanding of game quality and this includes feedback and communication or you have a serious problem as a professional business.

Some players may have valid points others don't. It totally doesn't matter how we think about it, the question is how ZOS deals with it. It only turns into a real problem when a community needs to discuss well known issues with the game over and over again.This is a really bad sign because obviously these issues were postponed instead being adressed and communicated properly. It causes friction in any community because thousands of players have different opinions and expectations.

Egonieser

Anhedonie wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

'Well You make a better one then'. 'You make a better game'. 'You work out how to fix the bugs'. 'You create a system that isn't exploitable'

Don't have to be a cook to tell if food is ***.

Exactly!
Those comments really annoy me, as people who actually make them are really flat-out ignorant, blind fanboys/girls or just trolls.
It is not our job to make a better game, to do a better job or whatnot, that is the responsibility or the service provider. Our job is to pay them cash, their job is to provide us with a working product for our cash, there are no excuses - anything below the standard is considered sub-par and unprofessional and just makes the service provider look bad (and those that defend them for that).
If some people are alright for paying for a broken product and then pat them on the back - well, no coment.... Not everybody will find it right.

Oh yeah.. No amount of positives in this game can justify the continued and increasing existence of negatives. Just because there are some pretty sunsents and amazing quests doesn't justify another part of the game being completely broken. Yeah, there are players who don't PvP, who don't experience lag or crashes, or many other of the hundred issues, that does not mean they have the right to bash those that do have the issue and are wanting ZoS to fix it, only because they are oblivious to anything outside their little bubble.. "Oh damn, I'm having a blast and have no issues this game is damn good - those that complain are probably just trolls and naysayers and cancer to the game because I don't see any issues"...

There's probably more I could add, but these are a few things that annoy me personally the most.

starkerealm

notimetocare wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

OP, one rebuke against criticism I"m getting tired of seeing is "they need to make money to improve their game." The idea is that if we subscribe and spend money on their sometimes overpriced items, they can use that money to improve the quality of the game, rather than using normal principles of economics and spending your money on a quality product.

Bit of a strawman. Most of the time that is abreaponse to "well im going to stop subbibg/buying until they fix the game" no money, no mmo so it is a pretty valid rebuke

Yeah, I've got to agree with @notimetocare here.

There's a legitimate grievance saying, things in the crown shop tend to be a bit pricier than they should be, but you don't often see the, "I'm gonna throw the baby out with the bathwater," come up in response to that. With one recent exception: a lot of players were very disappointed with the Breton hero costume.

Still, the "no money, no MMO," thing really only comes up when someone insists everything in the crownstore should be free (which... okay, whatever, you're entitled to that opinion, but it is an alternate revenue stream to help keep the game going), and as NoTime pointed out, when you have people saying they won't support the game until the bugs are fixed.

starkerealm

out51d3r wrote: »

I have a pretty short posting history, most of it is focused on ZOS's poor handling of bugs, exploits, and cheating. So I'm not afraid to criticize them.

On the other hand though, it's important to recognize that the average player would make a terrible game designer. Sometimes their criticisms are without merit, and their ideas would damage the game if implemented. Sometimes criticism needs to be criticized. And if your criticism is full of "ZOS is stupid", don't be surprised when you recieve "your idea is stupid" in response.

One of the things that always surprises me... well, no, that's not fair, it doesn't surprise me, but it does disappoint me, are the players who wander in with their pet mechanic from another MMO, saying, "well, but this other game does this, so why can't ESO?" And then you look at the other game, and the system they're talking about is actively predatory.

I'm talking about people actually asking for a rental system in the crown store. Or turning Crowns into a grind currency. I could be wrong, but I could swear I remember a thread asking for lockboxes last year sometime.

And of course people asking for a Vampire Lord transform, because that is stupid.