Problems with first dongeons

esometric

Ok so today i finish all Grahtwood and left only with Elden Hollow dongeon go to finder select this dongeon and start whait in 2 haurs of normal day time i cant find a group, so what reason of this finder ? Maby time to create tool something like group recruit for gold, there you can search other players who add hem self to base of players who can help in group quests boses and dongeons every player can add hes zones and levels what they can help and price of haur help, you just can select players from list make group and then this quest or objective will be finish system will pay from your money for players who helps its like job market or something.

Nestor

If your queing as a DPS, it can take a while to get a group for a specific dungeon. Try getting some people to get a partial group with and that will form the group much faster. Or, roll a Healer or learn the Resto Staff and heal on the character your on now.

Also, queing for one specific dungeon is going to take a while, even more so if you go in as a DPS.

Also, in case you did not know, you can do any group dungeon in any alliance that is on the same level as you are now (for example you can do Wayrest Sewers too) just by traveling directly to the dungeon from the map/wayshrine. In other words, you can always come back and do this dungeon later. But, more importantly, you could que for other dungeons on the same level for the other alliances, then once you find a group, ask them to do Elden Hollow with you after the dungeon you qued for.

starkerealm

Beware the ***eons!

But, seriously, the group finder is kinda bjorked.

Also, for the love of Cthulhu, please use a spell checker.

starkerealm

You know... the auto-censor picking that up is fine by me.

esometric

i think finder group for gold or renting other players system was better and more interesting for people who play long time its like new atraction for guilds start make oficial services for solo players.

Danksta

esometric wrote: »

i think finder group for gold or renting other players system was better and more interesting for people who play long time its like new atraction for guilds start make oficial services for solo players.

The problem with this idea is with the amount of money most new players have they wouldn't be able to afford the services of veteran players, outside of the ones that would've been willing to help for free.

esometric

Danksta wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

i think finder group for gold or renting other players system was better and more interesting for people who play long time its like new atraction for guilds start make oficial services for solo players.

The problem with this idea is with the amount of money most new players have they wouldn't be able to afford the services of veteran players, outside of the ones that would've been willing to help for free.

So for this and need job market every player or guilds can add own price and player can choose

daemonios

esometric wrote: »

Ok so today i finish all Grahtwood and left only with Elden Hollow dongeon go to finder select this dongeon and start whait in 2 haurs of normal day time i cant find a group, so what reason of this finder ? Maby time to create tool something like group recruit for gold, there you can search other players who add hem self to base of players who can help in group quests boses and dongeons every player can add hes zones and levels what they can help and price of haur help, you just can select players from list make group and then this quest or objective will be finish system will pay from your money for players who helps its like job market or something.

Group dungeons come in two varieties: normal and veteran (though sadly not all normal dungeons have a veteran version). You can only do veteran versions of the dungeons once you reach level 50. The difficulty and loot in normal group dungeons are much lower than in the veteran ones, to the point that few people run them unless they happen to be the daily pledge. Pledges are quests that advance your Undaunted skill line. You will be invited to start doing them when you reach level 45.

If you want to clear the lower level, normal versions of group dungeons, I recommend you join a PvE guild and ask your guildies to come along. If you're relying on the group finder, you'll mostly be out of luck unless you queue for whatever dungeon happens to be the normal pledge for the day. Also, different roles make it easier or harder to find a group - damage dealers are a dime a dozen, therefore it takes longer to queue as DD. Healers and tanks are rarer and manage to get groups faster.

starkerealm wrote: »

Beware the ***eons!

But, seriously, the group finder is kinda bjorked.

I don't see how the OP implies anything wrong with the group finder. Very few people run normal dungeons at all except for the daily normal pledge. If you only have a dozen people queuing and 10 are DDs, you're not going to get a group

starkerealm wrote: »

Also, for the love of Cthulhu, please use a spell checker.

Says the guy who wrote "bjorked" instead of "borked"? Or were you going for Björked?

TheDarkoil

You will do all dungeons many times over when you start doing silver pledges and daily random normals, like with everything else in this game, there is no rush!

starkerealm

daemonios wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Also, for the love of Cthulhu, please use a spell checker.

Says the guy who wrote "bjorked" instead of "borked"? Or were you going for Björked?

The Slavic J sound is very important to the pronunciation.

esometric

TheDarkoil wrote: »

You will do all dungeons many times over when you start doing silver pledges and daily random normals, like with everything else in this game, there is no rush!

Nop im not do this meny times its 100% im playing buy own style and before i will not done this dongeon i will not go to other.

esometric

daemonios wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

Ok so today i finish all Grahtwood and left only with Elden Hollow dongeon go to finder select this dongeon and start whait in 2 haurs of normal day time i cant find a group, so what reason of this finder ? Maby time to create tool something like group recruit for gold, there you can search other players who add hem self to base of players who can help in group quests boses and dongeons every player can add hes zones and levels what they can help and price of haur help, you just can select players from list make group and then this quest or objective will be finish system will pay from your money for players who helps its like job market or something.

Group dungeons come in two varieties: normal and veteran (though sadly not all normal dungeons have a veteran version). You can only do veteran versions of the dungeons once you reach level 50. The difficulty and loot in normal group dungeons are much lower than in the veteran ones, to the point that few people run them unless they happen to be the daily pledge. Pledges are quests that advance your Undaunted skill line. You will be invited to start doing them when you reach level 45.

If you want to clear the lower level, normal versions of group dungeons, I recommend you join a PvE guild and ask your guildies to come along. If you're relying on the group finder, you'll mostly be out of luck unless you queue for whatever dungeon happens to be the normal pledge for the day. Also, different roles make it easier or harder to find a group - damage dealers are a dime a dozen, therefore it takes longer to queue as DD. Healers and tanks are rarer and manage to get groups faster.

starkerealm wrote: »

Beware the ***eons!

But, seriously, the group finder is kinda bjorked.

I don't see how the OP implies anything wrong with the group finder. Very few people run normal dungeons at all except for the daily normal pledge. If you only have a dozen people queuing and 10 are DDs, you're not going to get a group

starkerealm wrote: »

Also, for the love of Cthulhu, please use a spell checker.

Says the guy who wrote "bjorked" instead of "borked"? Or were you going for Björked?

No i not need join eny guild and i will never do this, i search option to help totaly solo players, need start make adon with website connected for this if zen dont do it official.

starkerealm

esometric wrote: »

No i not need join eny guild and i will never do this, i search option to help totaly solo players, need start make adon with website connected for this if zen dont do it official.

PUGing Vet dungeons with randos is a non-start. You're not going to reliably find players who can work together and actually complete those, without actually communicating with them. Even PUGing things like White Gold Tower on normal can easily turn into an exercise in frustration, when you're teaming up with players who don't know what they're doing.

esometric

starkerealm wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

No i not need join eny guild and i will never do this, i search option to help totaly solo players, need start make adon with website connected for this if zen dont do it official.

PUGing Vet dungeons with randos is a non-start. You're not going to reliably find players who can work together and actually complete those, without actually communicating with them. Even PUGing things like White Gold Tower on normal can easily turn into an exercise in frustration, when you're teaming up with players who don't know what they're doing.

and ? thats a reason to join guild ? no tnx im never join any guild.

starkerealm

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

[SNIP]

Generally a truth with any MMO. There are other players out there. Interact with them and the entire experience is improved.

Cazzy

CasNation

esometric wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

No offense but you're clearly a noob to this game, I'm not sure why you're being so close minded about joining guilds.

People like helping people, they will give you crafted armour, tips, help in dungeons, vamp/wolf bite etc. It's upto you but this game is much better with other people IMO.

crafted armor tips ? for game with milion addons yes man im noob who have all existing mmo on this moment and more then 20 years experense in game world and devìng i think you one of this guild owners who need more idiots inside to get more income for your self.

I....what? You aren't making any sense. Guilds do not just exist to make money. I am in some guilds with fewer than 20 people. Just a group of people to run dungeons with. Open your mind a bit. Or a lot. Probably the latter.

AlnilamE

OP, are you on console or PC?

If you are on PC, you can say something in /zone in Grathwood and I'm sure you'll get at least a partial group (which can then be completed via the group finder).

Personally, I tend to run the random dungeon every day that I can on either a healer or a tank and I get put into groups with low level players that are trying out a dungeon for the first time quite a lot. I find that fun. The other day I got into a group that needed a replacement as they were almost at the end of normal FG. Easiest 100k XP ever, and it was fun helping them out.

If you are going to exclusively use the group finder, particularly if you are a DPS, it's going to take you a while. If you chat with people in zone or area chat, you'll have an easier time.

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starkerealm

CasNation wrote: »

I....what?

Well said.

@esometric, I don't think you understand the game nearly as well as you think you do. It looks like you've let some of the more... "spirited" members of the community distort your perceptions of the game. It'd probably prudent to spend less time on the boards, and more in game, interacting with your fellow (alleged) humans.

esometric

starkerealm wrote: »

CasNation wrote: »

I....what?

Well said.

@esometric, I don't think you understand the game nearly as well as you think you do. It looks like you've let some of the more... "spirited" members of the community distort your perceptions of the game. It'd probably prudent to spend less time on the boards, and more in game, interacting with your fellow (alleged) humans.

i think you talk ***

KochDerDamonen

This thread is going to have me laugh to death, @esometric is either a great troll or my 'favorite' flavor of lone wolf player.

If you are on either console version of the game, the dungeon queue is straight up busted right now so, sorry. If you are on pc, perhaps you are playing at a low population time for the server you are on, or a high population time and you happen to be a 'damage dealer' which is a saturated role with lower demand.

You wouldn't have a good time with a 'mercenary' sort of queue. It would only work for other veteran players, a new player could not afford the demands of someone who would actually do it for pay, and any that would go at a low enough price would just come for free if you asked them in the firstplace.

Joining or CREATING a guild is a great idea if you're having a hard time. Like they say, two heads are better than one... and a few more couldn't hurt. If you are oh so concerned about not enjoying a guild, make one. Make one and advertise it in /zone chat if you're on pc. Let people know that it's for traditionally solo players who want to do dungeoms occasionally.

If you're really, really frightened of trying a guild: find people you like playing with, and add them as friends. Play with them again later

Just asking people in /zone, if you can (pc for now) is a great solution in general. At low levels, often enough there will be people in the zone who want yo do it.

esometric

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

This thread is going to have me laugh to death, @esometric is either a great troll or my 'favorite' flavor of lone wolf player.

If you are on either console version of the game, the dungeon queue is straight up busted right now so, sorry. If you are on pc, perhaps you are playing at a low population time for the server you are on, or a high population time and you happen to be a 'damage dealer' which is a saturated role with lower demand.

You wouldn't have a good time with a 'mercenary' sort of queue. It would only work for other veteran players, a new player could not afford the demands of someone who would actually do it for pay, and any that would go at a low enough price would just come for free if you asked them in the firstplace.

Joining or CREATING a guild is a great idea if you're having a hard time. Like they say, two heads are better than one... and a few more couldn't hurt. If you are oh so concerned about not enjoying a guild, make one. Make one and advertise it in /zone chat if you're on pc. Let people know that it's for traditionally solo players who want to do dungeoms occasionally.

If you're really, really frightened of trying a guild: find people you like playing with, and add them as friends. Play with them again later

Just asking people in /zone, if you can (pc for now) is a great solution in general. At low levels, often enough there will be people in the zone who want yo do it.

21 century problem is that people thinking that inovations is not need, good what have now for all life create new tool for solo players it`s big problem. Guilds in all mmo games using for same spam chat with stupid invites and use new players to get resurces or money. Its like one guy boss who can be stupid kid and other must lisen of hes rules if whant trade in guild store.

JKorr

esometric wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

No i not need join eny guild and i will never do this, i search option to help totaly solo players, need start make adon with website connected for this if zen dont do it official.

PUGing Vet dungeons with randos is a non-start. You're not going to reliably find players who can work together and actually complete those, without actually communicating with them. Even PUGing things like White Gold Tower on normal can easily turn into an exercise in frustration, when you're teaming up with players who don't know what they're doing.

and ? thats a reason to join guild ? no tnx im never join any guild.

Too bad.

Three of the guilds I'm in have a lot of new players.

They get help with builds, they get help with crafting/research, they get food/drinks/potions for free, they get gear made for free and improved to at least green for them. Even the 9 trait sets if that is what they want, up to cp160. At cp 160 they get the mats together and still get the gear made for free. They also have a group of people they can rely on to help with content, and vet players who are willing to teach.

Last night I helped out a guildie who was in Coldharbor for the first time and completely lost as to where he should start. I'll be around tonight if he needs a hand again.

I wish you luck in your solo trip through the parts of the game you can solo. You're in for a world of frustration if you're going to depend on the group finder to do group content. Making your own website isn't going to help much, either.

esometric

JKorr wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

No i not need join eny guild and i will never do this, i search option to help totaly solo players, need start make adon with website connected for this if zen dont do it official.

PUGing Vet dungeons with randos is a non-start. You're not going to reliably find players who can work together and actually complete those, without actually communicating with them. Even PUGing things like White Gold Tower on normal can easily turn into an exercise in frustration, when you're teaming up with players who don't know what they're doing.

and ? thats a reason to join guild ? no tnx im never join any guild.

Too bad.

Three of the guilds I'm in have a lot of new players.

They get help with builds, they get help with crafting/research, they get food/drinks/potions for free, they get gear made for free and improved to at least green for them. Even the 9 trait sets if that is what they want, up to cp160. At cp 160 they get the mats together and still get the gear made for free. They also have a group of people they can rely on to help with content, and vet players who are willing to teach.

Last night I helped out a guildie who was in Coldharbor for the first time and completely lost as to where he should start. I'll be around tonight if he needs a hand again.

I wish you luck in your solo trip through the parts of the game you can solo. You're in for a world of frustration if you're going to depend on the group finder to do group content. Making your own website isn't going to help much, either.

maby whant in rpg more casual ? get everithing free after systems like this kids think and in real world they can get everithing free ok lets stop use brains and lost all interst in game to leorn and do self, new age new players run dont read quest just pres fast button look to the youtobe what press there go and after this im pro im finish everiothing i got everithing free easy and without thinking Guild is stupid thing it can be good only for cheating with other players to get how you like everithing free.

JKorr

Yeah, you're trolling now.

Cheating with other players. Guilds are only to make money off stupid players. Guilds are only for stupid players who want to cheat.

You must know some really crappy people.

I've been playing since early access. I've collected a lot of materials for crafting. I like helping new players who might be struggling in the game. In the guilds I belong to, NONE OF WHICH REQUIRE ANY FEES FOR ANYTHING, the new players that we help out with free gear and food help out by collecting mats for the guild bank, that allows the crafters to make free gear for guildmates. The help they get is passed on to others. The new players get help to LEARN THE GAME, the mechanics for the trials so they can play better. The players who don't read the quests and want to fast forward everything don't stay with our guilds for long. The shortest time someone like that lasted was an hour. Another one made it a day. They got impatient when the vets said to do the quests, read the books, and learn the game.

I'll let my guildmasters know they are running groups of cheating people who get stuff for free while rolling in the tons of gold they don't demand as dues for being a member of the cheating guild.

You go have fun now. Good luck with getting non-cheating people to group with you. Especially if they have your attitude.

rhapsodious

Dude, what guild hurt you so badly? I guide newbies in my guild through stuff all the time, ranging from "dungeon of the first zone right after they hit level 10" to "I've always been too scared to do WGT, pls halp". Craft gear and upgrade to blue for them au gratis, and just ask that they pay it forward. And, in fact, most of them do. Hell, one of the people I helped out a lot is now working on vMOL.

Oh, and I'll have you know that there are plenty of people not in guilds who are also not interested in the dungeon quest/atmosphere at all beyond "kill mobs, proceed to next blob of mobs, keep pressing E until the NPC shuts up." That's not something endemic to guild runs.

esometric

JKorr wrote: »

Yeah, you're trolling now.

Cheating with other players. Guilds are only to make money off stupid players. Guilds are only for stupid players who want to cheat.

You must know some really crappy people.

I've been playing since early access. I've collected a lot of materials for crafting. I like helping new players who might be struggling in the game. In the guilds I belong to, NONE OF WHICH REQUIRE ANY FEES FOR ANYTHING, the new players that we help out with free gear and food help out by collecting mats for the guild bank, that allows the crafters to make free gear for guildmates. The help they get is passed on to others. The new players get help to LEARN THE GAME, the mechanics for the trials so they can play better. The players who don't read the quests and want to fast forward everything don't stay with our guilds for long. The shortest time someone like that lasted was an hour. Another one made it a day. They got impatient when the vets said to do the quests, read the books, and learn the game.

I'll let my guildmasters know they are running groups of cheating people who get stuff for free while rolling in the tons of gold they don't demand as dues for being a member of the cheating guild.

You go have fun now. Good luck with getting non-cheating people to group with you. Especially if they have your attitude.

Good luck for you do what for you like for slave say your in game boss guildmaster kid and dont forgot deposit more for other guilds banks owners will windraw it

Ghost-Shot

What's a dongeon?

Cazzy

Edit: you know what? Nevermind. I'm done.

SolarCat02

Huh. I have clearly been doing this guild thing all wrong. I didn't know I was supposed to drain the guild bank all the time, I thought I needed to put funds IN... I guess to each their own. I prefer my method.


Although my guild seems intent on ensuring my crafting bag stays full of lemons. I don't understand their obsession with picking up lemons and depositing them in the guild bank. I make sure there is at least one full stack in there at all times, but I have 3k+ in my crafting bag from organizing the guild bank to keep it capped at 200 lemons. I swear at this point they HAVE to be trolling with the lemons... Right? (Some members of my guild would totally do that. )