Is cursing important for your communication, yes or no?

ScottK1994

This isn't really about words being censored, it's how they're censored.

We have technologically evolved in to the age of communication, yet our social evolution still requires that 90% of how we communicate is in body language.
The vast majority of what people say online gets misunderstood. Also cursing is a sign of passion and personal honesty, while not necessarily being an insult. When someone is in descriptive mode and then there is lost words like "***", that's brings our understanding below 10%

All the best insults dont have a single curse word also, and a curse word itself isn't offensive and if someone was offended by it when not an insult, it's called being overly privileged?

And also, since the forums won't be uncensored of course, do you think censored words should atleast show the amount of censored letters so that we can at least guess what they said?

ArchMikem

No. There are plenty of words in the dictionary that are perfectly capable of providing emphasis and or description.

Besides, people who need to say F#!& every time they open their mouths have a serious problem.

Tandor

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

Funkopotamus

You -Blanking- right it sure as -Blank- is!!
You -Blanking- Blanker--!
What the -Blank- is -Blanking- wrong with you!

For -blank- sake

ScottK1994

Tandor wrote: »

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

In what way is cursing regarded as immature? As a Scottish man it's been natural not for emphasis but just as a standard form of communication. Our friends are [SNIP] etc

Funkopotamus

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

In what way is cursing regarded as immature? As a Scottish man it's been natural not for emphasis but just as a standard form of communication. Our friends are W*nkers etc

Irish children curse from the age of 4 I think

Phinix1

I have recently started making a conscious effort not to. I live a fairly isolated existence, and sometimes forget that in public people prefer to maintain a certain decorum. I think it is less about political correctness or censorship and more about maintaining an atmosphere of calm and peace, because that's what most find comfortable.

I can respect that, and honestly I don't mind adapting my speech patterns. Sometimes there is that obvious pause, but I will frequently come up with something far more interesting and articulate to say in place of whatever would otherwise have sprung unchecked from mind to mouth.

It also helps you to learn mindfulness I think.

ScottK1994

ArchMikem wrote: »

No. There are plenty of words in the dictionary that are perfectly capable of providing emphasis and or description.

Besides, people who need to say F#!& every time they open their mouths have a serious problem.

I disagree, common dialects etc use different kinds of words to emphasise.

Kammakazi

I can't even say my personal favorite word, ***.

Iluvrien

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

In what way is cursing regarded as immature? As a Scottish man it's been natural not for emphasis but just as a standard form of communication. Our friends are W*nkers etc

As an Englishman with family from all over the UK (including Scotland) it has been regarded as immature in every public social arena that I have encountered. I'm surprised that you even have to ask the question.

ScottK1994

Phinix1 wrote: »

I have recently started making a conscious effort not to. I live a fairly isolated existence, and sometimes forget that in public people prefer to maintain a certain decorum. I think it is less about political correctness or censorship and more about maintaining an atmosphere of calm and peace, because that's what most find comfortable.

I can respect that, and honestly I don't mind adapting my speech patterns. Sometimes there is that obvious pause, but I will frequently come up with something far more interesting and articulate to say in place of whatever would otherwise have sprung from mind to mouth.

I still think that being articulate in a public setting requires the use of all language, even if censored ****s can make a difference in the sentence than ***. When it's all censored into the same 3 stars it's definitely a lost word

ScottK1994

Iluvrien wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

In what way is cursing regarded as immature? As a Scottish man it's been natural not for emphasis but just as a standard form of communication. Our friends are W*nkers etc

As an Englishman with family from all over the UK (including Scotland) it has been regarded as immature in every public social arena that I have encountered. I'm surprised that you even have to ask the question.

Lies though? Public social arena? Like a pub? A football game? Are you effing serious son?


Edit; most [snip] edit I have done in a while.

See, what word suits there more than the f word?

Iluvrien

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

In what way is cursing regarded as immature? As a Scottish man it's been natural not for emphasis but just as a standard form of communication. Our friends are W*nkers etc

As an Englishman with family from all over the UK (including Scotland) it has been regarded as immature in every public social arena that I have encountered. I'm surprised that you even have to ask the question.

Lies though? Public social arena? Like a pub? A football game? Are you effing serious son?


Edit; most [snip] edit I have done in a while.

See, what word suits there more than the f word?

Very serious. I was always taught that if you resort to invective while making a point... then you've already lost the argument.

As for words to replace the one in your edit comment? How about just plain "messed up", or if you don't fancy the vanilla then "bungled" is also fairly pleasing.

ScottK1994

Iluvrien wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

In what way is cursing regarded as immature? As a Scottish man it's been natural not for emphasis but just as a standard form of communication. Our friends are W*nkers etc

As an Englishman with family from all over the UK (including Scotland) it has been regarded as immature in every public social arena that I have encountered. I'm surprised that you even have to ask the question.

Lies though? Public social arena? Like a pub? A football game? Are you effing serious son?


Edit; most [snip] edit I have done in a while.

See, what word suits there more than the f word?

Very serious. I was always taught that if you resort to invective while making an point... then you've already lost the argument.

As for words to replace the one in your edit comment? How about just plain "messed up", or if you don't fancy the vanilla then "bungled" is also fairly pleasing.

That's pretty dumb in my opinion. So you can't swear but you can commit fallacies? Winning an argument is about being right and making sure not to be fallacious, I am quite decent at that and I'll swear too if appropriate(like towards racists)

And none of those are common terms in my area

Tandor

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

In what way is cursing regarded as immature? As a Scottish man it's been natural not for emphasis but just as a standard form of communication. Our friends are W*nkers etc

None of my Scottish relations and friends consider it acceptable or normal to curse, and it isn't required for mature discussion on a private forum whose hosts set the behavioural rules in any event. Routine cursing is something that sounds great when you're young but which most kids grow out of as they grow up. In that sense it is immature, and there are always better ways of expressing oneself.

Iluvrien

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

In what way is cursing regarded as immature? As a Scottish man it's been natural not for emphasis but just as a standard form of communication. Our friends are W*nkers etc

As an Englishman with family from all over the UK (including Scotland) it has been regarded as immature in every public social arena that I have encountered. I'm surprised that you even have to ask the question.

Lies though? Public social arena? Like a pub? A football game? Are you effing serious son?


Edit; most [snip] edit I have done in a while.

See, what word suits there more than the f word?

Very serious. I was always taught that if you resort to invective while making an point... then you've already lost the argument.

As for words to replace the one in your edit comment? How about just plain "messed up", or if you don't fancy the vanilla then "bungled" is also fairly pleasing.

That's pretty dumb in my opinion. So you can't swear but you can commit fallacies?

My comment didn't suggest that swearing was the only way to lose an argument.

ScottK1994

Tandor wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

In what way is cursing regarded as immature? As a Scottish man it's been natural not for emphasis but just as a standard form of communication. Our friends are W*nkers etc

None of my Scottish relations and friends consider it acceptable or normal to curse, and it isn't required for mature discussion on a private forum whose hosts set the behavioural rules in any event. Routine cursing is something that sounds great when you're young but which most kids grow out of as they grow up. In that sense it is immature, and there are always better ways of expressing oneself.

Why lie? I've never in my life met someone who hasn't swore unless at work

Honestly these people you mention are either socially reclusive or just lacking in standard communication in my country. Swearing is standard, and never usually to emphasise just as a way to make the sentence sound nicer

In my accent and dialect, cursing breaks up the tiny words that would otherwise turn a large sentence into a small breath

drakhan2002_ESO

What cracks me up about cursing in this game is that some of the NPCs are allowed to curse, but if you use the exact same word in chat, it gets censored!

I am thinking specifically of when you save King Jorunn in Windhelm from an assassins in the quest "One Victor, One King". He says the word "...those Bas*ards"...if you type the exact same word in chat...blamo! Censored.

There are other examples, but that one always stuck out to me.

Destyran

Im aussie *** of course it matterss!!!

Phinix1

You could always try thinly veiled world play. Or replacing curse words with obvious word salad substitutes.

ScottK1994

And this isn't even the point I want to make. In READING these censored out words, we can't uncensor it ourselves. That's basic I think. You know how in those tabloids they'd get you to say the N word in your head by having it all starred out except the one letter? That's when it's wrong. We should at least have an idea of what the curse word was.

At this point if someone swore three times in a sentence the whole thing would become lost in understanding

Vaoh

Even back in the days when I played Call of Duty, I didn't cuss when I lost a match. Usually stuck to free-for-all modes too because I never needed to rely on others to not perform as well as me, and then get really frustrated and look for others to blame. Perhaps it was because I rarely lost, and I always thought it was hilarious when someone always did rage outloud through my TV speakers when I beat them. This made me realize thad following suite was unnecessary. With that said, Call of Duty's community is a lot more toxic in general than ESO's community is. (I was very, very good at Call of Duty)
(MW2, BO1, AW. I was very well-known in the Xbox 360 Black Ops 1 community)

I like to have fun and not stress out when I run content in ESO! Cussing just isn't how I usually react when I die, and when it is I am not angry. The only way I can get frustrated when playing a game is if I run the same content (trial) with a group that will not change strategies to succeed until an eventual disband after 4+ hrs of wasted time failing.... -_-

ScottK1994

Doncellius wrote: »

Even back in the days when I played Call of Duty, I didn't cuss when I lost a match. Usually stuck to free-for-all modes too because I never needed to rely on others to not perform as well as me, and then get really frustrated and look for others to blame. Perhaps it was because I rarely lost, and I always thought it was hilarious when someone always did rage outloud through my TV speakers when I beat them. This made me realize thad following suite was unnecessary. With that said, Call of Duty's community is a lot more toxic in general than ESO's community is. (I was very, very good at Call of Duty)
(MW2, BO1, AW. I was very well-known in the Xbox 360 Black Ops 1 community)

I like to have fun and not stress out when I run content in ESO! Cussing just isn't how I usually react when I die, and when it is I am not angry. The only way I can get frustrated when playing a game is if I run the same content (trial) with a group that will not change strategies to succeed until an eventual disband after 4+ hrs of wasted time failing.... -_-

Hm but see there's all these stereotypes that cursing is as a reaction? I curse most when I'm making jokes

Tandor

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

In what way is cursing regarded as immature? As a Scottish man it's been natural not for emphasis but just as a standard form of communication. Our friends are W*nkers etc

None of my Scottish relations and friends consider it acceptable or normal to curse, and it isn't required for mature discussion on a private forum whose hosts set the behavioural rules in any event. Routine cursing is something that sounds great when you're young but which most kids grow out of as they grow up. In that sense it is immature, and there are always better ways of expressing oneself.

Why lie? I've never in my life met someone who hasn't swore unless at work

Honestly these people you mention are either socially reclusive or just lacking in standard communication in my country. Swearing is standard, and never usually to emphasise just as a way to make the sentence sound nicer

In my accent and dialect, cursing breaks up the tiny words that would otherwise turn a large sentence into a small breath

Not a word of a lie in what I said. Perhaps you need to broaden your social circle! You make it sound like every single Scot swears as a standard part of his or her normal conversaion, and it simply isn't true.

ScottK1994

And I curse least when I aim it another person. I'm truly horrible in those kinds of arguments as I'll attack a persons flaws and insecurities. Don't need to swear for that

ScottK1994

Tandor wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Cursing is neither important nor remotely necessary. There are plenty of more mature ways of communicating one's emotions or emphasising a point.

In what way is cursing regarded as immature? As a Scottish man it's been natural not for emphasis but just as a standard form of communication. Our friends are W*nkers etc

None of my Scottish relations and friends consider it acceptable or normal to curse, and it isn't required for mature discussion on a private forum whose hosts set the behavioural rules in any event. Routine cursing is something that sounds great when you're young but which most kids grow out of as they grow up. In that sense it is immature, and there are always better ways of expressing oneself.

Why lie? I've never in my life met someone who hasn't swore unless at work

Honestly these people you mention are either socially reclusive or just lacking in standard communication in my country. Swearing is standard, and never usually to emphasise just as a way to make the sentence sound nicer

In my accent and dialect, cursing breaks up the tiny words that would otherwise turn a large sentence into a small breath

Not a word of a lie in what I said. Perhaps you need to broaden your social circle! You make it sound like every single Scot swears as a standard part of his or her normal conversaion, and it simply isn't true.

I live in Edinburgh and as a teenager I went to Glasgow every day. Friends between too.
Edinburgh is the most posh place outside of the border towns and we swear constantly.

me_ming

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

I have recently started making a conscious effort not to. I live a fairly isolated existence, and sometimes forget that in public people prefer to maintain a certain decorum. I think it is less about political correctness or censorship and more about maintaining an atmosphere of calm and peace, because that's what most find comfortable.

I can respect that, and honestly I don't mind adapting my speech patterns. Sometimes there is that obvious pause, but I will frequently come up with something far more interesting and articulate to say in place of whatever would otherwise have sprung from mind to mouth.

I still think that being articulate in a public setting requires the use of all language, even if censored ****s can make a difference in the sentence than ***. When it's all censored into the same 3 stars it's definitely a lost word

Please don't equate cursing with the word "articulate".

If you want to be more articulate with how you express your emotions try to look for more appropriate words, and saying: "You're an a**/f***/c***", doesn't really make sense. It may only seem like it because people are used to using it, but in all honesty, it makes no sense. I don't like dealing with people who curse 1.) excessively and 2.) derogatorily.

I can tolerate someone who curses to express their feelings towards a situation and when said at minimum. But if you curse to insult someone or use it in every other word in all your sentences, then I just pity you, and will probably just put you in ignore. I most certainly do not listen to anyone who is toxic, there is no value in entertaining people who would rather want to mock you than make you understand how they feel.

Culture or not, rudeness is rudeness. And there is no excuse for that.

Phinix1

I understand what you meant better now that you changed the wording of your OP. I think the same would apply also to scenarios where a different phrasing would be superior to counting asterisks.

Whether we personally perceive it that way or not, the majority of society are still conditioned to react apprehensively to "bad language." People are more likely to misinterpret what you meant to say, or pass judgement on your character based on your expressed vocabulary.

It isn't even so much about caring what people think as it is honestly wanting to communicate effectively. Profanity may be effective in certain limited and intimate scenarios among friends but in mixed company, it is a barrier to meaningful human interaction.

SantaOrc

In forums, curse words indicate that someone isn't rational but emotional. I can't take someone using to many curse words seriously.
in RL i swear a lot, better than punching everyone in the face and getting arrested (never punched someone)

GreenhaloX

Keep profanity in house or among close friends if cursing is considered part of your primary language. It can be viewed as un-professional in other environments and will likely offend many, especially when social media/communication are often misunderstood or misinterpreted. You may be just joking, but others may not see it as that. Especially during guildchats, there are times when some are just outright vile with their language.. definitely not suitable to post. However, these are normally good folks, and they are overall comfortable with each others and can take it as a joke, but sometimes they are forgetting that newer members are joining and may not see it as such. There were some that left, I'm sure because of the profaned language.

In my opinion.. to foster a respectable and well-rounded environment for all, keep it in-house, and not in public or social media. I have been around a long time in a work environment with a large group of mainly guys who work well together, are comfortable with each others, and cursing seems to be acceptable among these all males group environment. However, they all know better to refrain while in public or among other groups of people, especially among children or older generation. This makes them professionals and human as well. I, myself, being considered the leadership or manager type, have to uphold a more professional demeanor than the others. Granted, I am a guy and human, and I curse the hell out of day, during a vMA try or other difficult aspects of ESO, but this is in my house. If I had children, I would likely watch my language quite closely. In public or among those guys, I rarely curse or use profanity.

ScottK1994

me_ming wrote: »

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

I have recently started making a conscious effort not to. I live a fairly isolated existence, and sometimes forget that in public people prefer to maintain a certain decorum. I think it is less about political correctness or censorship and more about maintaining an atmosphere of calm and peace, because that's what most find comfortable.

I can respect that, and honestly I don't mind adapting my speech patterns. Sometimes there is that obvious pause, but I will frequently come up with something far more interesting and articulate to say in place of whatever would otherwise have sprung from mind to mouth.

I still think that being articulate in a public setting requires the use of all language, even if censored ****s can make a difference in the sentence than ***. When it's all censored into the same 3 stars it's definitely a lost word

Please don't equate cursing with the word "articulate".

If you want to be more articulate with how you express your emotions try to look for more appropriate words, and saying: "You're an a**/f***/c***", doesn't really make sense. It may only seem like it because people are used to using it, but in all honesty, it makes no sense. I don't like dealing with people who curse 1.) excessively and 2.) derogatorily.

I can tolerate someone who curses to express their feelings towards a situation and when said at minimum. But if you curse to insult someone or use it in every other word in all your sentences, then I just pity you, and will probably just put you in ignore. I most certainly do not listen to anyone who is toxic, there is no value in entertaining people who would rather want to mock you than make you understand how they feel.

Culture or not, rudeness is rudeness. And there is no excuse for that.

I still completely disagree. If you aren't using the language the person opposite you in a conversation you are wasting your words. Your excessive stereotyping and up your own ring attitude about swearing makes you seem like you don't go outside much. Just saying.