How Rare is Rosin?

Mashille · August 2016

I'm not entirely sure how much Rosin is meant to drop from Refining.

I've just refined 800 Rough Wood and got a grand total of 1. Is that a normal drop rate?

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

rng.....

its random...... if the chance is 1% you have 1 chance in 100 on each piece you refine. note: its not cumulative.

you are just not lucky...

Mashille · August 2016

Yeah. I know it's random. I just didn't know the % drop rate.

Man, if it's 1% then luck really screwed me over today. Unless the lowered the drop rate in the patch.

Banana · August 2016

Your just unlucky.

Qbiken · August 2016

Well, if you look at the prices for the different goldmats you can get a hint on how rare they are.

Dreugh wax: about 6-7k /each
Tempering alloy: about 8-10k /each
Rosin: 2-3k

mitchtheelder · August 2016

that's why I always sell mats and buy rosin, wax or alloy on the market. RNG sucks

Tyrion87 · August 2016

From refining rosin drops much more often for me than any other yellow (sometimes I can get 3 rosins in a row while refining 100 raw mats).
From crafting writs the drop rate is rather the same.

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

Mashille wrote: »

Yeah. I know it's random. I just didn't know the % drop rate.

Man, if it's 1% then luck really screwed me over today. Unless the lowered the drop rate in the patch.

i'm not saying it is 1% that was just an example. the rng thing, by its nature, can't have a drop rate all it can be is a %age chance of a drop.

Funkopotamus · August 2016

It is called ESO Snicklefritzing you!

I went through this on my P-Roe thread last week lol..

Keep splitting that wood man.. It will be better next time

I actually popped 4 P-Roe out of 120 fish last night so yeah RNG is wack!

Necrelios · August 2016

In my experience it's about 1:350 ratio or slightly above a 0% chance per refining attempt (about 0.35%).

Strider_Roshin · August 2016

I'm one of a kind! Oh you said Rosin? My bad.

Reorx_Holybeard · August 2016

Mashille wrote: »

Yeah. I know it's random. I just didn't know the % drop rate.

Man, if it's 1% then luck really screwed me over today. Unless the lowered the drop rate in the patch.

The actual drop rate for gold tempers is around 3% per stack of 10 materials refined. You had 800 raw materials which would be 80 refinements. The expected "average" rate is around 1 gold temper every 24 refinements but of course due to the RNG you'll find the rate all over the place. You have a 9% chance to do 80 refinements with no temper so its really not all that uncommon to see a long string like this, or even much longer (over 200 refinements with no gold temper should happen from time to time).

driosketch · August 2016

Qbiken wrote: »

Well, if you look at the prices for the different goldmats you can get a hint on how rare they are.

Dreugh wax: about 6-7k /each
Tempering alloy: about 8-10k /each
Rosin: 2-3k

Part of the reason for this is that per character you only ever need to make gold maybe 1-2 peices in wood working. The other two are required for full armor sets and possibly weapons on top of that.

CherryCake · August 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I'm one of a kind! Oh you said Rosin? My bad.

Damn it I wanted to make a joke about your name but came too late xDDDDDDDD

HaroldRay · November 2019

Random Number Generator (RNG): My understanding is that, in simplistic terms, RNG is meant to simulate the roll of dice. So, we're talking about odds. If it is a 6 sided dice, than you have a 1 in 6 chance of rolling a 3 for example. Someone that is very lucky might roll a 3 at an average of 1 out of every 20 rolls of the dice. A not so lucky person may only roll a 3 at an average of 1 out every 200 rolls of the dice. That is what RNG attempts to simulate.

I'm not a programmer, but, I understand that RNG in gaming breaks it down even further. Let's say I wanted a lightning staff and I needed to roll a 3 to get a staff. Lucky me, I rolled a 3 (I beat the boss in 48 seconds), but, the game then uses another RNG number to choose which staff I get. In my case I wasn't as lucky and I got a fire staff. So, I have to roll the dice again until I get another 3 and maybe I will and maybe I won't get a lightning staff.

So simulated luck determines whether or not I get that lightning staff. And just like the roll of the dice, I might get it on the first try or my run of luck might be so bad I eventually just give up trying for it.

Nestor · November 2019

Mashille wrote: »

Yeah. I know it's random. I just didn't know the % drop rate.

Man, if it's 1% then luck really screwed me over today. Unless the lowered the drop rate in the patch.

It ebbs and flows. Overtime, the drop rate is the same.

MartiniDaniels · November 2019

I consider 1 gold temper from 200 material refined like an average chance... sometimes you get notably more, sometimes notably less... RNG in ESO is crazy.

svartorn · November 2019

Qbiken wrote: »

Well, if you look at the prices for the different goldmats you can get a hint on how rare they are.

Dreugh wax: about 6-7k /each
Tempering alloy: about 8-10k /each
Rosin: 2-3k

Supply/demand. I think they all have the same chance of dropping but on average people want more tempers for armor than simply a shield or staff.

VaranisArano · November 2019

When you refine large quantities of mats, the drop rate for gold improvement mats is close to 1 in 200. That drop rate has stayed consistent throughout the game for the players who record that sort of thing in large quantities.

But for "large quantities" we're talking thousands of mats. Not 800. So you just had bad luck.

xWarbrain · November 2019

svartorn wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Well, if you look at the prices for the different goldmats you can get a hint on how rare they are.

Dreugh wax: about 6-7k /each
Tempering alloy: about 8-10k /each
Rosin: 2-3k

Supply/demand. I think they all have the same chance of dropping but on average people want more tempers for armor than simply a shield or staff.

Those prices are from 3 years ago. Wish Rosin was that cheap now...

horizonxael · November 2019

I on 600 pieces 4 rosin today yesterday on 800 only 2 and random

svartorn · November 2019

xWarbrain wrote: »

svartorn wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Well, if you look at the prices for the different goldmats you can get a hint on how rare they are.

Dreugh wax: about 6-7k /each
Tempering alloy: about 8-10k /each
Rosin: 2-3k

Supply/demand. I think they all have the same chance of dropping but on average people want more tempers for armor than simply a shield or staff.

Those prices are from 3 years ago. Wish Rosin was that cheap now...

Not sure what the prices are now, but rosin is still the cheapest.

xWarbrain · November 2019

svartorn wrote: »

xWarbrain wrote: »

svartorn wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Well, if you look at the prices for the different goldmats you can get a hint on how rare they are.

Dreugh wax: about 6-7k /each
Tempering alloy: about 8-10k /each
Rosin: 2-3k

Supply/demand. I think they all have the same chance of dropping but on average people want more tempers for armor than simply a shield or staff.

Those prices are from 3 years ago. Wish Rosin was that cheap now...

Not sure what the prices are now, but rosin is still the cheapest.

On Xbox NA its the most expensive of the 3.

Wax 5k
Temp5-6k
Rosin 7k

svartorn · November 2019

That’s nuts! It’s less than half the price of the other two on PC NA.

They’re like 2.2k each, IIRC.

redlink1979 · November 2019

Drop rate from refining can be really bad some times. That's why I started to refine smaller batches nowadays - less "wasted" mats.

Sirvaleen · November 2019

Qbiken wrote: »

Well, if you look at the prices for the different goldmats you can get a hint on how rare they are.

Dreugh wax: about 6-7k /each
Tempering alloy: about 8-10k /each
Rosin: 2-3k

On which platform is Alloy average price that freaking high ? I don't remember seeing it at such high a price since.. well I don't remember

Katahdin · November 2019

Now you know why bots are such a problem. Bots are the only real way to farm enough in a reasonable amount of time to get enough tempers for anything

THEDKEXPERIENCE · November 2019

svartorn wrote: »

That’s nuts! It’s less than half the price of the other two on PC NA.

They’re like 2.2k each, IIRC.

It’s the way it’s always been on XBox. If you’re in Mournhold anything less than 8K for any of these is actually a reasonably solid deal. 7K is usually an auto buy if I’m shopping.

I’m sure I could search around for the prices that were just stated (I haven’t bought alloys in forever) but it would be a pretty nice surprise to grab them below 6K.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · November 2019

Katahdin wrote: »

Now you know why bots are such a problem. Bots are the only real way to farm enough in a reasonable amount of time to get enough tempers for anything

False. You just have to be willing to take a day a week where you’re just farming. I haven’t done it in a long time but the first two years I spent almost every Saturday morning doing nothing but farming. I have probably 5 full sets of all gold gear (3 sets of jewelry) and rarely had to pay for more than a handful of tempers.

It’s boring but it’s totally possible if you want to spend a work day doing nothing but picking flowers and doing writs. Do the writs. Always do your writs.

CaiWenji · November 2019

If you run out then is your Rasengan?

In all seriousness, I felt it was luckier before multi-refine.

Dojohoda · November 2019

I don't write these things down, so take this for what it is worth..

Rosin seems to have a smaller drop rate. I believe it does based on the fact that I always have less rosin than tempering alloy and dreugh wax despite farming similar amounts of armor mats and that I use less rosin than the other mats. If rosin dropped at a similar rate, we'd be drowning in it since, other than the shield, we don't have wooden armor. haha Also, the mass-decon feature highlights the smaller drop rate as noted by OP.

summary: Roughly, Yes