Healing Regen & Healing Received

kongkim

I know people always say Healing Regen is bad. But i like to try out some fun builds.

But i can't find the answer to if Healing Received effects my own healing regen?

Ffastyl

Do you mean Health Recovery?

kongkim

Ffastyl wrote: »

Do you mean Health Recovery?

Yah

Ffastyl

Healing Received does not affect Health Recovery but neither does Healing Reduced. And most people are wrong. With 2000 or higher Health Recovery, very little actual healing is needed to stay alive. Assuming your defense is not paper.

kongkim

Ffastyl wrote: »

Healing Received does not affect Health Recovery but neither does Healing Reduced. And most people are wrong. With 2000 or higher Health Recovery, very little actual healing is needed to stay alive. Assuming your defense is not paper.

Hmm do not sound bad
Do you have an ide for a good health Recovery build?

Ffastyl

Heavy armor Willow's Path and Health Recovery enchants with drink. Maybe add a buff for Health Recovery and you should breach 2k regardless of race or class. If you choose a race with bonuses to Health Recovery, though, drink may not be necessary. Or you could even strive towards 3k.

There are enough free gear slots to still attain decent offense or further bolster defenses. Your Mundus is also free (Steed is the choice if you want even more Health Recovery or to replace another source). For example, Ravager jewelry plus remaining armor slots (5 set achieved) and your weapons are free for Maelstrom or Master's still. A cheap setup is Ashen Grip and Endurance, which provides additional Stamina Recovery, Max Health and Weapon Damage.

An important note is to not expect Health Recovery to carry you alone. Supplement it with stalwart defenses and/or minor healing. But you should be able to remove some of those heals off your bar and save on health potions.

kongkim

Ffastyl wrote: »

Heavy armor Willow's Path and Health Recovery enchants with drink. Maybe add a buff for Health Recovery and you should breach 2k regardless of race or class. If you choose a race with bonuses to Health Recovery, though, drink may not be necessary. Or you could even strive towards 3k.

There are enough free gear slots to still attain decent offense or further bolster defenses. Your Mundus is also free (Steed is the choice if you want even more Health Recovery or to replace another source). For example, Ravager jewelry plus remaining armor slots (5 set achieved) and your weapons are free for Maelstrom or Master's still. A cheap setup is Ashen Grip and Endurance, which provides additional Stamina Recovery, Max Health and Weapon Damage.

An important note is to not expect Health Recovery to carry you alone. Supplement it with stalwart defenses and/or minor healing. But you should be able to remove some of those heals off your bar and save on health potions.

Cool and thx alot. Will take a look at try to make a build from this.
I looked up Willow's Path set. and it say it give 15% recovery in combat.
What is the normal % in combat?

Ffastyl

Recovery values in combat are as listed in the character stats window. Outside of combat those values are doubled but this change is not reflected on the UI. When you equip Willow's Path, the additional 15% will be reflected in your character stats window and be in permanent effect (so long as you wear the full set). So, outside of combat the bonus is effectively 30%.

There are no innate percentage increases to recovery, but there are other sources of percent increases besides Willow's Path (such as racial passives).

Veraen

kongkim wrote: »

Do you have an ide for a good health Recovery build?

I haven't tried this or done much research, but I've been curious to try a Nord to get their Stalwart racial passive of +20% health regeneration and make them a Dragoknight for the Dragon Blood skill which would give another +20% health regeneration. Then spend 100 champion points in Healthy (Thief/Lover) for +25% more health regeneration.

For gear, slap on 5 pieces of Beekeeper's Gear for massively increase your base health regeneration and 5 pieces of Orgums Scales for an extra occasional +50% health regeneration when you're taking damage. Then use one piece each from Engine Guardian and Slimecraw monster sets to increase your base health regeneration. Or maybe instead try two pieces of Troll King provided you can cause it to proc on yourself, which seems doubtful.

Use a Glyph of Health Regeneration on both of your rings and your necklace, always have a health regeneration drink buff active, and then blamo. You'd be a crazy health regenerating fool!

By my rough calculations you could easily have around 2600 base health regeneration with Dragon Blood up, and then almost 6500 health regeneration when Orgums Scales is active. Just imagine that amount of health regenerating every 2 seconds... MUUHAHAHAAA!!!

Please let me know if you try this. I know there must be others trying builds like this because it's just too interesting not to spark your curiosity.

Waffennacht

Check out that regenerator build... I don't remember the guy's name but it's good.

He didn't go all regen (cause you become a great paper weight lol) but you can get enough to be a tanky beast while maintaining a healthy amount of dps.

Youc an go DK for above mentioned passives.

Templars I hear tell can make a good version of the build (makes sense). From what I gather health regen isn't cut by battle spirit?

Troll King can proc on self

Im half heartily leveling a DK and Temp atm. Im thinkin I'll try this out on the temp. Something like troll king (or slime craw depends on how trollish im feeling... har har har)

Bandit1215

Ffastyl wrote: »

Healing Received does not affect Health Recovery but neither does Healing Reduced. And most people are wrong. With 2000 or higher Health Recovery, very little actual healing is needed to stay alive. Assuming your defense is not paper.

So would an orc stamina tank work?

americansteel

Veraen wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

Do you have an ide for a good health Recovery build?

I haven't tried this or done much research, but I've been curious to try a Nord to get their Stalwart racial passive of +20% health regeneration and make them a Dragoknight for the Dragon Blood skill which would give another +20% health regeneration. Then spend 100 champion points in Healthy (Thief/Lover) for +25% more health regeneration.

For gear, slap on 5 pieces of Beekeeper's Gear for massively increase your base health regeneration and 5 pieces of Orgums Scales for an extra occasional +50% health regeneration when you're taking damage. Then use one piece each from Engine Guardian and Slimecraw monster sets to increase your base health regeneration. Or maybe instead try two pieces of Troll King provided you can cause it to proc on yourself, which seems doubtful.

Use a Glyph of Health Regeneration on both of your rings and your necklace, always have a health regeneration drink buff active, and then blamo. You'd be a crazy health regenerating fool!

By my rough calculations you could easily have around 2600 base health regeneration with Dragon Blood up, and then almost 6500 health regeneration when Orgums Scales is active. Just imagine that amount of health regenerating every 2 seconds... MUUHAHAHAAA!!!

Please let me know if you try this. I know there must be others trying builds like this because it's just too interesting not to spark your curiosity.

my Nord stamplar was brutal, 1500Health recovery 1600stam recovery it was nice 1 rally i was at full health.

ArgonianAustin

My brother is health recovery build, 4600 health recovery idle. Fully proced 10k+.
Troll king, bee keeper, orgnum.

Izaki

A stamblade health recovery build is OP. Like really OP. So is magsorc. Recovery+shields=OP.

Waffennacht

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

A stamblade health recovery build is OP. Like really OP. So is magsorc. Recovery+shields=OP.

@IzakiBrotheSs is it time to bust out the permafrost?

Izaki

@Waffennacht LOL YES! And Troll King OP. Was messing around with both of them, in heavy armor with willpower, vMA staff front bar and Master's back bar. 5k health recovery. Who needs healing ward? Was playing with just hardened ward. The irony was that it was actually really tanky, was using the destro ult and hit very hard. Thief mundus obviously.

I also messed around with a black rose magicka sorc build with just troll king. Was pretty fun too. Oh yeah, I tried reactive and troll king too. I was really the troll king.

Sometimes you gotta have fun with cancer builds.

For a more serious build though, its possible to use Burning Spellweave, Lich and Troll King. Unorthodox but very strong. 1 shield is enough + healing ward. But still I prefer my normal DW build lol

Waffennacht

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

@Waffennacht LOL YES! And Troll King OP. Was messing around with both of them, in heavy armor with willpower, vMA staff front bar and Master's back bar. 5k health recovery. Who needs healing ward? Was playing with just hardened ward. The irony was that it was actually really tanky, was using the destro ult and hit very hard. Thief mundus obviously.

I also messed around with a black rose magicka sorc build with just troll king. Was pretty fun too. Oh yeah, I tried reactive and troll king too. I was really the troll king.

Sometimes you gotta have fun with cancer builds.

For a more serious build though, its possible to use Burning Spellweave, Lich and Troll King. Unorthodox but very strong. 1 shield is enough + healing ward. But still I prefer my normal DW build lol

Somehow I have permafrost and troll king completed.. I've been wanting a HA unique sorc idea to try... I think I have one now... hrm...

I try to down play BSW in my mind... cause... I'm missing the necklace and have sharpened frost and lightning staffs... .... ...!!!!

Izaki

Waffennacht wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

@Waffennacht LOL YES! And Troll King OP. Was messing around with both of them, in heavy armor with willpower, vMA staff front bar and Master's back bar. 5k health recovery. Who needs healing ward? Was playing with just hardened ward. The irony was that it was actually really tanky, was using the destro ult and hit very hard. Thief mundus obviously.

I also messed around with a black rose magicka sorc build with just troll king. Was pretty fun too. Oh yeah, I tried reactive and troll king too. I was really the troll king.

Sometimes you gotta have fun with cancer builds.

For a more serious build though, its possible to use Burning Spellweave, Lich and Troll King. Unorthodox but very strong. 1 shield is enough + healing ward. But still I prefer my normal DW build lol

Somehow I have permafrost and troll king completed.. I've been wanting a HA unique sorc idea to try... I think I have one now... hrm...

I try to down play BSW in my mind... cause... I'm missing the necklace and have sharpened frost and lightning staffs... .... ...!!!!

Just use the lightning staff. It will proc often enough anyway with just Force Pulse.

Waffennacht

@IzakiBrotheSs ok im forming an idea... are there permafrost weapons? If so is in wrothgar?

Im thinking if merging my HA NB idea with this idea and a mag sorc. Forgo resto staff, H ward and destro ...

Wait does crit surge proc troll king or transmutation? (Thinking it would proc king but not transmute)

I like Alchemist as a offensive set pairing nicely with HA - but BSW can be there.

NBs have better ult gain, but what about pairing EotS with Bloodspawn?

Also Slimecraw

Ffastyl

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Ffastyl wrote: »

Healing Received does not affect Health Recovery but neither does Healing Reduced. And most people are wrong. With 2000 or higher Health Recovery, very little actual healing is needed to stay alive. Assuming your defense is not paper.

So would an orc stamina tank work?

Yes. The 2k I achieved was with a Breton Templar, using Willow's Path, three Health Recovery enchantments on jewelry, drink, and Radiant Aura on both bars (+10% passive, +20% active). More recently, as a Nord Sorcerer with the same setup, I achieved 3k health recovery. At 3k, you don't actually need healing, just spacing. If you can break from combat for a few seconds you should be full or near full HP on Health Recovery alone. At lower values you should use a HoT and keep a potion for emergency healing. If you can find Troll King, 1.5k Health Recovery is more than enough. Once Troll King procs from low health, you'll have over 3k Health Recovery. The set also frees up enchantments to pursue other stats (I chose offense).

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wait does crit surge proc troll king or transmutation? (Thinking it would proc king but not transmute)

Any healing received where after the healing you are still below 60% activates Troll King. Critical Surge isn't really a HoT, so no.

sneakymitchell

kongkim wrote: »

I know people always say Healing Regen is bad. But i like to try out some fun builds.

But i can't find the answer to if Healing Received effects my own healing regen?

Here u go it's a stam DK king build. Players will hate u cause u won't die in one v one most the time. Do whatever weapon u want main is troll king all heavy armor and rings and jewelry all health recovery.
https://youtu.be/vemr8LNY2y8

Waffennacht

I was thinking about it last night and I feel there is synergy to be had with Troll King, Healing Ward, and Permafrost. Forgo all other means of active healing, get low on health, pop healing ward and gain 2000ish health regen.

This particular idea was for a sorc, H Ward and Healing stacked on backbar should leave you enough time to actually get use of permafrost.

If permafrost doesn't work, my next thought would be Transmutation for a defensive set, then I probably would pair with rapid regen on a sorc (it would need a HoT and the class has none that I can think of)

The last set is where I start getting lost, Would Alchemist be a good choice (usually is lol) Burning spell weave is another option. We would want something procable I think.

The build (transmutation + rapid + healing ward + troll king) would make you such a boon to group play.

Ideas?

Dyride

FWIW, I don't think the Mundus or enchants are needed unless you just want to tank. Those pieces of your build are better supporting your DPS. Sets along with Racials and class passives, a few CP is all you need.

Patrick Scott has an excellent Stam NB that still has high burst.

Personally, I have found using Troll King/Trainee/Black Rose with the Max Stamina/health recovery food to be really good.

You can also substitute with Green Pact set for Black Rose and use something like Spriggan or Viper for better damage.

Permafrost also procs from Defensive Stance. I know someone with a SnB/Frost Destro Mag Sorc PvP tank using Permafrost.

Lexxypwns

On Stam builds, health recovery isn't terrible. On mag builds its not better than vamp.

Most of my Stam builds run 2 troll king, even with no other health recovery that procs gets you to 2300~ and since it has no cool down you can offer some group utility with it

5 trainee 2 troll king 5 alchemist is how I like to run, with Stam+Stam regen food