How much did writs got nerfed? - Update 11

OrphanHelgen

We need 3 times the rubedite / ancestor to complete a writ now compared to pre update 11, and the survey maps still give nightwood and void materials. Should surveys give only rubedite / ancestor materials?

SlayerSyrena

Three times as much? Ow ...

MasterSpatula

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

Three times as much? Ow ...

Yes, because all three items must now be Ruby level items.

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OP, relax. This is a bug. It will be fixed.

OTOH, even after the fix, writs will still have a preposterous cost/benefit ratio, but that's how they were designed.

Miszou

What's the problem? Ruby level items are literally everywhere once you're at that level.

On the other hand, making a special trip to find voidstone was a giant pain in the ass.

chrisw_63_ESO

The costs aren't bad for most crafts if you play a lot and are constantly harvesting. If you log in only to do pledges and group zones, they're a bear and a half.

Actually, for my clothier a lot more rubedo hide will probably take just as long to harvest as fewer fell hide. I know how to get lots of rubedo - fell hide was really only worth going for in one area of one zone, and even then it took an hour+ of killing things to get the 60 or so needed for one writ. Now I guess it'll take just as long for the extra rubedo hide.

disintegr8

Miszou wrote: »

What's the problem? Ruby level items are literally everywhere once you're at that level.

On the other hand, making a special trip to find voidstone was a giant pain in the ass.

But don't forget that there will be more people farming for more material - some of the available areas are already over run with people farming and this will only lead to more competition.

Miszou

disintegr8 wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

What's the problem? Ruby level items are literally everywhere once you're at that level.

On the other hand, making a special trip to find voidstone was a giant pain in the ass.

But don't forget that there will be more people farming for more material - some of the available areas are already over run with people farming and this will only lead to more competition.

I have over 1k rubedite and I have never "farmed" anything.

I just grab it when I ride by, deconstruct trash from dungeons and collect the surveys.

I am literally drowning in top-level materials, but I am completely out of voidstone and nightwood, because it only spawns in places I no longer go. Ruby-level stuff spawns everywhere once you're at the right level.

MasterSpatula

Miszou wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

What's the problem? Ruby level items are literally everywhere once you're at that level.

On the other hand, making a special trip to find voidstone was a giant pain in the ass.

But don't forget that there will be more people farming for more material - some of the available areas are already over run with people farming and this will only lead to more competition.

I have over 1k rubedite and I have never "farmed" anything.

I just grab it when I ride by, deconstruct trash from dungeons and collect the surveys.

I am literally drowning in top-level materials, but I am completely out of voidstone and nightwood, because it only spawns in places I no longer go. Ruby-level stuff spawns everywhere once you're at the right level.

There are, however, several CP160 zones that do not have CP160 nodes and the mobs do not drop CP160 gear. So people who are CP160 but still going through Gold are definitely not going to be drowning in ruby mats. (And, of course, most Ruby-level gear they're getting as quest rewards deconstructs to only 1 mat). So it's not quite black-and-white here.

Vaoh

Miszou wrote: »

What's the problem? Ruby level items are literally everywhere once you're at that level.

On the other hand, making a special trip to find voidstone was a giant pain in the ass.

I don't do writs. Just want to point out that I can farm a few stacks of Voidstone in like ten minutes. Very easy if you know where to look. Not as quick with Void Cloth but still very fast as well.

Over 4K Voidstone ingots in my crafting bag letting you know CP140 mats were never a pain to get!

Joy_Division

Miszou wrote: »

What's the problem? Ruby level items are literally everywhere once you're at that level.

On the other hand, making a special trip to find voidstone was a giant pain in the ass.

Because Voidstone is now like high Iron, Dwarven, Ebony, Galatite, et al., stuff that is not needed by the general population and thus should require a "special trip" (using wayshrines is not what consider special) to get it since it's for a specific purpose rather than clog everyone's inventories.

C0wrex

Well... it's a good thing I stacked a ***-ton of mats....

Transairion

What's the problem? Ruby level items are literally everywhere once you're at that level.

On the other hand, making a special trip to find voidstone was a giant pain in the ass.

Only if you're in DLC zones: as a player with no DLC, the only location I can find "Ruby level" nodes is in Cyrodiil and all my crafting professions are maxed out.

Craglorn and all Cadwell's Gold Zones are only full of Voidstone, Nightwood, etc. It's pretty ridiculous.

OrphanHelgen

Yeah I guess its not a problem. Just wanted to share a fact

Thrasher91604

Transairion wrote: »

What's the problem? Ruby level items are literally everywhere once you're at that level.

On the other hand, making a special trip to find voidstone was a giant pain in the ass.

Only if you're in DLC zones: as a player with no DLC, the only location I can find "Ruby level" nodes is in Cyrodiil and all my crafting professions are maxed out.

Craglorn and all Cadwell's Gold Zones are only full of Voidstone, Nightwood, etc. It's pretty ridiculous.

I agree that's a pretty crappy design. You shouldn't have to buy the DLC to gain mats at a decent rate for CP 160 crafing. Farming mats in Cyrodiil would take forever....

Minute_Waltz

So were there any boost in obtaining gold tempers then? If not would I be better off doing v14 writs if I have few Ks of void?

Taleof2Cities

Transairion wrote: »

Only if you're in DLC zones: as a player with no DLC, the only location I can find "Ruby level" nodes is in Cyrodiil and all my crafting professions are maxed out.

Craglorn and all Cadwell's Gold Zones are only full of Voidstone, Nightwood, etc. It's pretty ridiculous.

There are other ways to gain ruby mats besides farming (DLC or no DLC):

- Doing the tier 10 crafting writs across 8 characters (12 characters with purchased upgrades) should yield a fair amount of survey writs. I suppose a player can choose to be a master crafter that doesn't do writs and doesn't do DLC content. Seems too limiting to gimp a master crafter that way ... but it's the player's decision.

- Running CP160 dungeons or trials (normal or vet) always yields a bunch of ruby decon trash.

- Hirelings (again across 8-12 characters)

- Purchasing or trading for ruby mats from friends, guildies, or the guild trader vendors.


I'm always surprised at how players just simply forget about these options.

Other times it's intentionally forgotten ... such as during a player's QQ session in the forums about the game's crappy design.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Doncellius wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

What's the problem? Ruby level items are literally everywhere once you're at that level.

On the other hand, making a special trip to find voidstone was a giant pain in the ass.

I don't do writs. Just want to point out that I can farm a few stacks of Voidstone in like ten minutes. Very easy if you know where to look. Not as quick with Void Cloth but still very fast as well.

Mis information like this really annoys me. You're telling me you can get a few stacks in 10 mins by farming? Impossible.

A stack = 200, a few = minimum of 3.
You're saying you can get a minimum of 600 void stone in 10 mins? Lol.
You'd struggle to do that in 2 hours.

idk

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

We need 3 times the rubedite / ancestor to complete a writ now compared to pre update 11, and the survey maps still give nightwood and void materials. Should surveys give only rubedite / ancestor materials?

This is a bad change.

I can see the need to make it all one level matts instead of two levels. Soon Tamriel One will be live and it may be difficult to get Void and such. But the surveys need to provide only the level matts we need and use for the writs.

Seems as though the Zos team that worked on this did not think this out thoroughly.

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Please have a look at this and get it to the right people to get it fixed. Thx.

bottleofsyrup

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

Only if you're in DLC zones: as a player with no DLC, the only location I can find "Ruby level" nodes is in Cyrodiil and all my crafting professions are maxed out.

Craglorn and all Cadwell's Gold Zones are only full of Voidstone, Nightwood, etc. It's pretty ridiculous.

There are other ways to gain ruby mats besides farming (DLC or no DLC):

- Doing the tier 10 crafting writs across 8 characters (12 characters with purchased upgrades) should yield a fair amount of survey writs. I suppose a player can choose to be a master crafter that doesn't do writs and doesn't do DLC content. Seems too limiting to gimp a master crafter that way ... but it's the player's decision.

- Running CP160 dungeons or trials (normal or vet) always yields a bunch of ruby decon trash.

- Hirelings (again across 8-12 characters)

- Purchasing or trading for ruby mats from friends, guildies, or the guild trader vendors.


I'm always surprised at how players just simply forget about these options.

Other times it's intentionally forgotten ... such as during a player's QQ session in the forums about the game's crappy design.

This was the case, but now that the writs require only C150/160 mats without the surveys being updated, you're going to get back less than you used and end up with more old crap you don't need, especially with the blacksmithing writ that requires twice as many mats as usual (5 items to craft).

leeux

ZOS doesn't seem to grasp the fact that nobody will ever do writs if they lose mats by doing them, specially with something like top level mats where people is still gearing alts and crafting secondary sets.

They're really crazy if they intend for writs to stay like this, it's like: why do you even bother to put them in-game if you're neutering them a few patches afterwards.

<EDIT>: I take back what I said there, Gina's post here confirms it's a bug and will be fixed in an incremental patch (And sorry, for not having faith in a quick response to this problem)

This next part of my post still applies fully, though.
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Also, I still find it ridiculous that 9/10 writs requires ~100 mats per craft... mats that nobody harvest anymore, except maybe only the people who want to charge exorbitant prices to sell them. And I don't think they'll ever fix those... sad times

I really enjoyed doing my daily crafting writs when I didn't have time to play the game for real, which is most of the days for me, really.

Kas

Miszou wrote: »

What's the problem? Ruby level items are literally everywhere once you're at that level.

On the other hand, making a special trip to find voidstone was a giant pain in the ass.

one problem is that survey reports will contain many nodes that are only there to collect, refine and sell to an NPC.
void/night is completely useless

James-Wayne

The only issue for me is that you spend Ruby only to get a writ that provides less then Ruby which is wrong and makes it not worthwhile.

I can understand the Ruby issue for people that don't sub or don't buy the DLC... makes it really hard to get to end game for these people and thereby they are forced into buying DLC to compete. I understand you can get Ruby in other mediums like dungeons and deconstruction but that is a really painful and slow way of doing it.

Something needs to changed.

Truewavesound

It IS a problem, as on average you get substantially less Rubedo, Ruby Ash, Ancestor silk from Writs (tic Surveys) than you receive in return. The previous level mats are useless now.

Even when you counter in the potential for Gold mats etc, currently this is ALWAYS a substantial loss - the three equipment Writs are now not worth doing at max level.

What needs to happen is that the surveys should ONLY give you the max level mats. This MIGHT make doing the surveys cost effective. Also, WHAT ON EARTH is with the BS writ that requires FIVE items to be crafted?! Sort it out ZOS!

Banana

They do also give you leather in the survey's now in addition to the other stuff. I'm glad there's no voidstone and lower stuff needed. No need to go out if my way to farm that stuff. Although they could drop that stuff from any survey rewards.

Vaoh

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

What's the problem? Ruby level items are literally everywhere once you're at that level.

On the other hand, making a special trip to find voidstone was a giant pain in the ass.

I don't do writs. Just want to point out that I can farm a few stacks of Voidstone in like ten minutes. Very easy if you know where to look. Not as quick with Void Cloth but still very fast as well.

Mis information like this really annoys me. You're telling me you can get a few stacks in 10 mins by farming? Impossible.

A stack = 200, a few = minimum of 3.
You're saying you can get a minimum of 600 void stone in 10 mins? Lol.
You'd struggle to do that in 2 hours.

Actually yes, I did mean it. Not misinformation at all.

Sometimes it is better to ask questions and try to figure out how it's done, than point fingers and immediately call something you haven't figured out false simply from your lack of knowledge on the topic.

600 Voidstone Ingots in ~10-15 minutes. That is exactly why I said it is very easy if you know where to look. I didn't pick that number for no reason. No RNG involved.

If I said something like you can get 5 Kutas in ~10-15 minutes, that is clearly a lie as it's RNG-based. Voidstone Ingots are 100% different. You just have to find the right place with a lot of stuff to decon for the Voidstone.

To be fair, it can take another 10 minutes for 3 stacks if you have low carry capacity and move slowly. However, that's not misinformation. Smh

danno8

I thought writs were mostly used as an exchange of ingots/cloth/leather for a chance at tempers, no?

They never seemed remotely profitable in any other way to me.

luen79rwb17_ESO

All trash and boss loot in dungeons should be CP160 too or CP150 at least.

dwemer_cog11

Doncellius wrote: »

Sometimes it is better to ask questions and try to figure out how it's done, than point fingers and immediately call something you haven't figured out false simply from your lack of knowledge on the topic.

And sometimes figuring out how to accomplish a 1 hour task in 10 minutes is called exploiting a game bug.

idk

danno8 wrote: »

I thought writs were mostly used as an exchange of ingots/cloth/leather for a chance at tempers, no?

They never seemed remotely profitable in any other way to me.

Not profitable?

Granted, I make more gold from selling armor and jewelry out of SO but a character doing 6 writs in a day can pull in 3600+ gold. That's not including the chance at a good upgrade matt.

Considering how fast it is to do them and do it on a few characters it can easily add up to some decent gold per week.

Michaelus

Why would you do lvl 10 writs, when you can do lvl 9 in craglorn where you get almost guaranteed nirn for each survey?

Vaoh

dwemer_cog11 wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

Sometimes it is better to ask questions and try to figure out how it's done, than point fingers and immediately call something you haven't figured out false simply from your lack of knowledge on the topic.

And sometimes figuring out how to accomplish a 1 hour task in 10 minutes is called exploiting a game bug.

Except when it's not.

Voidstone ingots are easily obtainable from *drum roll* deconning stuff.

Find a good spot to do that and congrats, you can farm tons of stacks of Voidstone

Again with the assumptions. Smh