ZoS, we are with you!

Lexynide

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

And exactly how big are the other games in terms of content? Please, if you can, list a few games that are as big or bigger than ESO and still doing fine that have only been out for a few years now.

Easy, our dear shining star of ZOS. Here you go:

Guild Wars 2

• Fancy architecture (compare this:
  
• 
• to Wayrest in ESO or other cities)
• Not as much lags as in this game
• Good combat system, including DUELS
• Far better PvP system than Zergballs Online
• Much more active guild system involving them actually competing
• You can actually earn shop currency by doing achievements and not spend real cash to buy outfits
• Tournament system
• Quite huge world and most of it doesn't require waiting for loading screen between every single cave
• Free crafting bags, something we get for money in this game

Black Desert Online

• Amazing graphics, definitely they don't have something like ugly pixilated costume
• Costumes there have much better physics and don't look glued like Breton Hero Costume
• A lot of focus on good PvP
• Large seamless world with no loading screens

SWTOR

• Quests got cutscenes in them, and are often voiced
• In-game shops often far more appearance customization than a costume or personality
• PvP is a lot more tactical and involving players doing something more complicated than zergballing or camp spam

And considering what kind of joke new updates have become, with all that RNG used everywhere, I can easily add to the list something like Destiny, which again has far better graphics and design.
All of those games are doing just fine, especially GW2 which doesn't seem to die or going through thousands of people screaming "please nerf Loading Screen its too OP".

But you cannot really look at other games and say "ha they're not doing as great as this one!". ESO is backed up by Zenimax, by Bethesda, it's holding on very big and famous brand name and utilizing universe that existed before this game came out. It's on much softer terms than all those games I've listed above, and yet it is not looking nowhere near as good as WoW.
Strip the game of all that and then you can compare it's real worth and quality.

Point is that other games I've listed aren't failing to deliver what they're promising. We've heard thousands of promises about how we will be able to play "however we want", and how "PvP is massive and amazing", and how "cross-alliance PvE combat is fascinating".
In reality nothing of that is working as planned, everything went down the hill and ZOS doesn't give a damn about it. Here guys, have another horse reskin this week. And as usual this is unique as hell offer you're don't want to skip, so hurry up and give us your money.

And dear fanboys, by hiding flaws and pretending they're not here you're only killing this game, you're creating false input for the company making them think that everything is fine when it isn't. Criticism gives company right input and sets their priorities right. On fixing the *** game. Not adding yet another lorefriendly costume or horse.

UltimaJoe777

Lexynide wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

And exactly how big are the other games in terms of content? Please, if you can, list a few games that are as big or bigger than ESO and still doing fine that have only been out for a few years now.

Easy, our dear shining star of ZOS. Here you go:

Guild Wars 2

• Fancy architecture (compare this:
  
• 
• to Wayrest in ESO or other cities)
• Not as much lags as in this game
• Good combat system, including DUELS
• Far better PvP system than Zergballs Online
• Much more active guild system involving them actually competing
• You can actually earn shop currency by doing achievements and not spend real cash to buy outfits
• Tournament system
• Quite huge world and most of it doesn't require waiting for loading screen between every single cave
• Free crafting bags, something we get for money in this game

Black Desert Online

• Amazing graphics, definitely they don't have something like ugly pixilated costume
• Costumes there have much better physics and don't look glued like Breton Hero Costume
• A lot of focus on good PvP
• Large seamless world with no loading screens

SWTOR

• Quests got cutscenes in them, and are often voiced
• In-game shops often far more appearance customization than a costume or personality
• PvP is a lot more tactical and involving players doing something more complicated than zergballing or camp spam

I think you misunderstood me. What I meant by how "big" a game is is it's actual size in data. TESO is well over 20 gigs and still growing, could very well go beyond 30 before we know it! That is a *** ton of content that can easily produce a number of issues that will take time to iron out.

A for effort though lol

Lexynide

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I think you misunderstood me. What I meant by how "big" a game is is it's actual size in data. TESO is well over 20 gigs and still growing, could very well go beyond 30 before we know it! That is a *** ton of content that can easily produce a number of issues that will take time to iron out.

A for effort though lol

Oh, listen people. Turns out the true quality of the game is determined by how much uncompressed it is and how much space it is wasting on your hard drive.

Alright Joe, off I go making the game of your dreams!

*ran away creating a platformer game featuring adventures of a cube on 100GB bitmap background *

newtinmpls

I know what it's like to be working as hard as you can and to have things not going how the customer (in my case the patient) wants them to be.

It's really really really frustrating on every side.

Good luck and fingers crossed to all of us! ZoS and players alike.

UltimaJoe777

Lexynide wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I think you misunderstood me. What I meant by how "big" a game is is it's actual size in data. TESO is well over 20 gigs and still growing, could very well go beyond 30 before we know it! That is a *** ton of content that can easily produce a number of issues that will take time to iron out.

A for effort though lol

Oh, listen people. Turns out the true quality of the game is determined by how much uncompressed it is and how much space it is wasting on your hard drive.

Alright Joe, off I go making the game of your dreams!

*ran away creating a platformer game featuring adventures of a cube on 100GB bitmap background *

Well since you could not give me a proper response I did some research. BDO is actually 31GB and GW2 19GB. Did not look at SWTOR but did not need to because all 3 games are actually PC only which means they only have ONE platform to work with instead of THREE.

You can keep the A for the effort though

Phinix1

...but ESO's number of gigabytes is BIGGER!

Quantity != quality.

ESO has many qualities, but it is far from perfect. There is MUCH that has gone wrong and needs fixing, and I too hope they do fix many of these things and continue to improve.

To do so however, they require two things more than anything else:

• Constructive feedback (meaning from ALL angles).
• The will to do so, expressed in the form of RE-INVESTMENT.

To deny the imperfections is like an open license to skimp. It's like saying "sure, keep playing that 'limited time only' sales gimmick and skimping on quality control. That's good enough for me, because positivism for the sake of it is an ends unto itself."

Not a philosophy I personally subscribe to, in gaming, or in life.

I support the game, and Elder Scrolls, but I do NOT support cheap sales tactics or skimping on quality control, two things this company does quite a lot of lately.

To their credit they do get things right eventually... Usually.

Lexynide

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Well since you could not give me a proper response I did some research. BDO is actually 31GB and GW2 19GB. Did not look at SWTOR but did not need to because all 3 games are actually PC only which means they only have ONE platform to work with instead of THREE.

You can keep the A for the effort though

Oh you did some research? Alright then. Now that you've done it, tell me how many GBs belong to actual interesting content and how much is it belongs to things that aren't as interesting. Draw us a chart map how many GBs spent into PvP and how many GBs spent into PvE. Oh and wait, WoW is approximately same size as ESO. Does it mean that WoW and ESO have roughly equal amount of content? Is there a site showing game ratings in GBs? Why some games that use up more space aren't as good as others? IS IT A CONSPIRACY?

GUYS, I THINK I GOT IT. JOE IS OUR PROPHET AND TURNS OUT THE TRUE WAY TO RATE GAMES IS HOW BIG ARE THEY IN GBs. Holy moly, throw away all your Zeldas and Conker Bad Fur Days right away, and search for game that is using up largest amount of space in the world.

That's it guys, case closed. Joe is our prophet and thank you for enlightening me on the TRUE way of rating games. I'm going to uninstall my collection of old games right away, their puny 200-800mb sizes are completely worthless comparing to 51GB of ESO.

UltimaJoe777

Lexynide wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Well since you could not give me a proper response I did some research. BDO is actually 31GB and GW2 19GB. Did not look at SWTOR but did not need to because all 3 games are actually PC only which means they only have ONE platform to work with instead of THREE.

You can keep the A for the effort though

Oh you did some research? Alright then. Now that you've done it, tell me how many GBs belong to actual interesting content and how much is it belongs to things that aren't as interesting. Draw us a chart map how many GBs spent into PvP and how many GBs spent into PvE. Oh and wait, WoW is approximately same size as ESO. Does it mean that WoW and ESO have roughly equal amount of content? Is there a site showing game ratings in GBs? Why some games that use up more space aren't as good as others? IS IT A CONSPIRACY?

GUYS, I THINK I GOT IT. JOE IS OUR PROPHET AND TURNS OUT THE TRUE WAY TO RATE GAMES IS HOW BIG ARE THEY IN GBs. Holy moly, throw away all your Zeldas and Conker Bad Fur Days right away, and search for game that is using up largest amount of space in the world.

That's it guys, case closed. Joe is our prophet and thank you for enlightening me on the TRUE way of rating games. I'm going to uninstall my collection of old games right away, their puny 200-800mb sizes are completely worthless comparing to 51GB of ESO.

Game size aside WoW is also PC only, last I checked. Handling 1 platform is far easier than handling 3. It has also been around far longer.

Phinix1

Lexynide wrote: »

...by hiding flaws and pretending they're not here you're only killing this game, you're creating false input for the company making them think that everything is fine when it isn't. Criticism gives company right input and sets their priorities right.

This is pretty spot on.

It accurately describes the biggest problem with the modern plague that is positivism for the sake of it.

It creates false-positives.

EDIT: Joe, I love you buddy, but you really need to not keep trying to make the "size is everything" argument.

It won't end well, trust me. That hole has no bottom!

UltimaJoe777

Phinix1 wrote: »

Lexynide wrote: »

...by hiding flaws and pretending they're not here you're only killing this game, you're creating false input for the company making them think that everything is fine when it isn't. Criticism gives company right input and sets their priorities right.

This is pretty spot on.

It accurately describes the biggest problem with the modern plague that is positivism for the sake of it.

It creates false-positives.

What's so false about admiring what is actually right with this game? ESO is not 100% a total mess you know... It DOES have positive points.

Besides, every problem with the game is discussed constantly on a daily basis, so there is no harm in discussing the positive points, or simply thanking Zenimax for those.

LrdRahvin

Sunver wrote: »

As a software developer and CC administrator I know how hard failed deployment can be. One time me and my team had literally thousands of people waiting when our CallCenter campaign failed to start.

We understand ZoS, we appreciate the effort, we are patient, we cross fingers for you and we wish you good luck resolving the problem!

We are also grateful for amazing game you gave us and all the wonderful moments we had playing it!

Dear ESO players! If you agree with me, show your support in this thread!

WTS self-respect; super cheap!!! PST.

Lexynide

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Game size aside WoW is also PC only, last I checked. Handling 1 platform is far easier than handling 3. It has also been around far longer.

*absolutely doesn't notice how you've ignored all other arguments*

Oh, well it's not our fault, is it? I mean I don't think anyone was pointing a gun at them and saying "You must release it on all 3 platforms or I'm gonna shoot!". Besides that has nothing to do with your precious gigabytes as they are platform-independent.

Phinix1

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

What's so false about admiring what is actually right with this game? ESO is not 100% a total mess you know... It DOES have positive points.

Nothing is wrong with it. I said as much a few posts up. The problem is when people get into a "good vs. bad" type argument where it is one marginalizingly over-polarized extreme vs. another.

The problem, is when seeing the good in things must come at the exclusion of the bad, and vice versa.

By all means, appreciate the good. I certainly do, or I wouldn't have invested two years, hundreds of dollars, and countless hours both playing and creating mods for the game.

But don't be afraid to admit when things go wrong.

And before you say it I know, people pointing out things that have gone wrong DO tend to bring it on themselves by the offensive way so many go about it.

That is why those people are called TROLLS. They do that on purpose to create drama and to goad people into saying things they will later regret, or just sewing discord in general. I wouldn't be surprised if half worked for other game companies!

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Besides, every problem with the game is discussed constantly on a daily basis, so there is no harm in discussing the positive points, or simply thanking Zenimax for those.

I suppose not, but then again, I'm pretty ambivalent on the subject. Maybe because I don't look at "Zenimax" as one singular entity deserving of respect and appreciation. I see the human side, the artistic side, and the business/corporate side.

The people I love. The artists, I respect.

I have a hard time loving or respecting ANY modern corporation. What they teach in business school these days is downright deplorable, and it hurts even more when it is affecting a genre you personally have an interest in.

It's sort of like religion though. One persona rgues theirs is better, the other another, but ultimately neither is right or wrong.

The best strategy is to avoid getting into a God-off in the first place.

UltimaJoe777

Lexynide wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Game size aside WoW is also PC only, last I checked. Handling 1 platform is far easier than handling 3. It has also been around far longer.

*absolutely doesn't notice how you've ignored all other arguments*

Oh, well it's not our fault, is it? I mean I don't think anyone was pointing a gun at them and saying "You must release it on all 3 platforms or I'm gonna shoot!". Besides that has nothing to do with your precious gigabytes as they are platform-independent.

You mean the walls of sarcastic text? Yeah, I pretty much ignored that

Yes game size and platform span are not relative to each other, but if you consider everything Zenimax has to go through to get this game working for consoles as well as PC AND the size of the game TOGETHER with that there is going to be issues that will take a considerable amount of time to fix. While we wait for those fixes (provided we didn't ragequit and leave the game forever) we simply like to take a moment to acknowledge what ISN'T wrong with the game. Mock it if you will but frankly people are sick and tired of the forum community being negative all the time. Even now all this naysay is attempting to poison this thread.

Seriously give the complaints a god damned rest for once!!

UltimaJoe777

Phinix1 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

What's so false about admiring what is actually right with this game? ESO is not 100% a total mess you know... It DOES have positive points.

Nothing is wrong with it. I said as much a few posts up. The problem is when people get into a "good vs. bad" type argument where it is one marginalizingly over-polarized extreme vs. another.

The problem, is when seeing the good in things must come at the exclusion of the bad, and vice versa.

By all means, appreciate the good. I certainly do, or I wouldn't have invested two years, hundreds of dollars, and countless hours both playing and creating mods for the game.

But don't be afraid to admit when things go wrong.

And before you say it I know, people pointing out things that have gone wrong DO tend to bring it on themselves by the offensive way so many go about it.

That is why those people are called TROLLS. They do that on purpose to create drama and to goad people into saying things they will later regret, or just sewing discord in general. I wouldn't be surprised if half worked for other game companies!

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Besides, every problem with the game is discussed constantly on a daily basis, so there is no harm in discussing the positive points, or simply thanking Zenimax for those.

I suppose not, but then again, I'm pretty ambivalent on the subject. Maybe because I don't look at "Zenimax" as one singular entity deserving of respect and appreciation. I see the human side, the artistic side, and the business/corporate side.

The people I love. The artists, I respect.

I have a hard time loving or respecting ANY modern corporation. What they teach in business school these days is downright deplorable, and it hurts even more when it is affecting a genre you personally have an interest in.

It's sort of like religion though. One persona rgues theirs is better, the other another, but ultimately neither is right or wrong.

The best strategy is to avoid getting into a God-off in the first place.

My apologies if I missed you saying it lol but yes everytime someone makes a positive thread someone comes in trying to counter it with something negative. 'Tis quite sad, really...

I don't think a single person on these forums is incapable of admitting things go wrong lol because they do and we all know it and Zenimax knows it, but we press on nonetheless. Better to express and move on than linger on it and be tortured, you know?

Yeah see I have nothing against complaints in general because they are both founded and privileged but it really does bring out the nastiness in people. Hell, it's so damn common at this point no one can tell when someone is serious or trolling when they say something nice!

Problem with trolls though, they're still here... Get rid of the dedicated naysayers and these forums would actually clean up a bit! Hard to do when Zenimax doesn't want to ban people and they don't provide enough reason to get banned though...


If google is any indication of what I bolded in the quote, then I agree. Then again, Blizzard is no better, turning WoW into a cash grab by actually promoting competitive gaming. Video games used to be for the express purpose of entertaining their consumers and teaching then hand-eye coordination as well as figuring out how to beat the game. Now it's all meta this, meta that, tourneys here there and everywhere... I miss the good ol' days......

Yeah I'm religiously neutral myself lol

Phinix1

I can appreciate what you're trying to say Joe, but I've got to be honest with you, I don't think it is a very realistic expectation. MAYBE in a perfect world, "where none suffered and everyone could be happy" as they said in the Matrix, or where everyone had basic needs covered so didn't have to stress about everything in life being so unnecessarily complicated and taxing all the time, maybe then we could adopt a more forgiving and cavalier attitude about the products we were paying for.

But at the end of the day as they say, ESO is a PRODUCT. It is a service people pay for.

In the context of say, loved ones? Your argument is absolutely legit. It is more important to appreciate them, and the brief time you have together, than to argue about petty nonsense. You will regret the time spent arguing more than the arguments you lost when they are gone. Believe me.

But when it comes to corporations?

I know there is a human component, and like I said, I love and respect those "components."

I don't love and respect limited time sales gimmicks and skimpy quality control. I would rather ZOS put out a more significant DLC every 6 months than rushing out content patch after content patch with limited depth and extensive technical difficulties.

But the point is moot really. You can't treat a corporation that takes your money for services rendered as you would a human being with feelings.

Corporations NEED to have their practices and priorities reigned in by objective feedback.

If your are arguing from the position of the forum-goers' feelings, I would say that if you are so easily wounded by conflicting opinions just avoid the threads you perceive as negative and only contribute to those that interest you.

Opt out of participation in what you don't like to see. Be the change you want to see on the forums!

But arguing a positive vs. negative angle is the slippery slope to censorship and I CANNOT get behind it.

Just my opinion though. Take it with a grain. I'm just some dude on the internet.

Phinix1

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I don't think a single person on these forums is incapable of admitting things go wrong lol because they do and we all know it and Zenimax knows it, but we press on nonetheless. Better to express and move on than linger on it and be tortured, you know?

Here we see eye to eye. You just can't let the negativity bother you, and the best way to do that, I believe, is to just let it be. Wave at it as it passes by if you like. But I treat it much like the 5-year-old bully on the playground.

Ignore it. It might not go away, but at least it won't have the satisfaction of you giving it the time of day.

It's easy to pick out constructive criticism from the pointless vitriol. Really, no one needs to prove these types wrong. They do a fine job on their own, as such immaturity only makes them look bad, and others avoid them.

Honestly, I think gaming forums are big business, because gaming is big business. That is why I believe, that a lot of these disruptive elements are actually moles sent from other companies to create viral negativity.

So, we agree on the problem. But you can't attack a virus with words.

You attack a virus by not providing it a place to spread.

missjackieb14_ESO

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

.....moo?

UltimaJoe777

Phinix1 wrote: »

I can appreciate what you're trying to say Joe, but I've got to be honest with you, I don't think it is a very realistic expectation. MAYBE in a perfect world, "where none suffered and everyone could be happy" as they said in the Matrix, or where everyone had basic needs covered so didn't have to stress about everything in life being so unnecessarily complicated and taxing all the time, maybe then we could adopt a more forgiving and cavalier attitude about the products we were paying for.

But at the end of the day as they say, ESO is a PRODUCT. It is a service people pay for.

In the context of say, loved ones? Your argument is absolutely legit. It is more important to appreciate them, and the brief time you have together, than to argue about petty nonsense. You will regret the time spent arguing more than the arguments you lost when they are gone. Believe me.

But when it comes to corporations?

I know there is a human component, and like I said, I love and respect those "components."

I don't love and respect limited time sales gimmicks and skimpy quality control. I would rather ZOS put out a more significant DLC every 6 months than rushing out content patch after content patch with limited depth and extensive technical difficulties.

But the point is moot really. You can't treat a corporation that takes your money for services rendered as you would a human being with feelings.

Corporations NEED to have their practices and priorities reigned in by objective feedback.

If your are arguing from the position of the forum-goers' feelings, I would say that if you are so easily wounded by conflicting opinions just avoid the threads you perceive as negative and only contribute to those that interest you.

Opt out of participation in what you don't like to see. Be the change you want to see on the forums!

But arguing a positive vs. negative angle is the slippery slope to censorship and I CANNOT get behind it.

Just my opinion though. Take it with a grain. I'm just some dude on the internet.

I get how you feel about the limited time things and the disappointment that comes from a shoddy product, I truly do. I'm not exactly a fashion mogul but I can sympathize with those that are in what flaws they point out that one cannot possibly argue is otherwise. My hopes are those flaws are corrected one day, the sooner the better!

Zenimax has stated though that they intend to push smaller DLCs through so they can release new content more often to bring back customers that got bored. One can say they just need to give us more repeatable content worth repeating but in a game like this? Not gonna happen lol

I'm not necessarily saying no one should complain and everyone should act like they're on cloud nine and be good and happy to each other always, but the amount of negativity on the forums actually drives more people away than anything, and that is actually something Zenimax does NOT want. By trying to make the forums a more friendly environment we actually encourage forum use and that could even bring more people to discuss the flaws in the game with a less hostile environment. That is a compromise I would support wholeheartedly!

I won't lie, even I at times prefer to avoid these forums because I know how they can be and I'm just not in a mood to deal with it, but when I am in a chipper mood and feel like socializing with the ESO forum community or just helping people with problems I CAN help with I come and post. Sure I'm potentially excessively active to the point people are sick of seeing me so often but oh well lol

Phinix1 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I don't think a single person on these forums is incapable of admitting things go wrong lol because they do and we all know it and Zenimax knows it, but we press on nonetheless. Better to express and move on than linger on it and be tortured, you know?

Here we see eye to eye. You just can't let the negativity bother you, and the best way to do that, I believe, is to just let it be. Wave at it as it passes by if you like. But I treat it much like the 5-year-old bully on the playground.

Ignore it. It might not go away, but at least it won't have the satisfaction of you giving it the time of day.

It's easy to pick out constructive criticism from the pointless vitriol. Really, no one needs to prove these types wrong. They do a fine job on their own, as such immaturity only makes them look bad, and others avoid them.

Honestly, I think gaming forums are big business, because gaming is big business. That is why I believe, that a lot of these disruptive elements are actually moles sent from other companies to create viral negativity.

So, we agree on the problem. But you can't attack a virus with words.

You attack a virus by not providing it a place to spread.

It does get hard to ignore something that is practically wildfire though... But for what it's worth I do avoid threads that complain about something very commonly complained about, and in my head I say "oy, this again..." lol

missjackieb14_ESO wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

.....moo?

I believe it's a play on Joey's personality in the show lol hell it could even be what he actually SAID

Phinix1

missjackieb14_ESO wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

.....moo?

Jennifer Aniston is so hot.

Rohamad_Ali

Who cares what Joe thinks . Geez .

Phinix1

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Zenimax has stated though that they intend to push smaller DLCs through so they can release new content more often to bring back customers that got bored.

I do see they are trying. They have a lot of good ideas actually.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I'm not necessarily saying no one should complain and everyone should act like they're on cloud nine and be good and happy to each other always, but the amount of negativity on the forums actually drives more people away than anything, and that is actually something Zenimax does NOT want. By trying to make the forums a more friendly environment we actually encourage forum use and that could even bring more people to discuss the flaws in the game with a less hostile environment. That is a compromise I would support wholeheartedly!

That is as true here as it is in life. The world could benefit greatly from a more constructive dialogue.

Not only do the rude, insulting, entitled, immature comments derail otherwise constructive threads before they even get noticed, discouraging people with potentially interesting ideas from even bothering, they actually cause otherwise well-minded people to post things they later regret, or never meant to say, and wouldn't have said if they weren't surrounded by such a garbage in, garbage out environment.

Look up the Facebook study on "viral negativity." It's a thing, and trolls know it. Big media companies actually employ dozens of specialists to create hundreds of fake accounts on news sites and social media specifically for the purpose of creating viral negativity, to polarize people's emotions against a target subject, mostly for political or economic reasons.

Why I think many forum trolls are agents from other game companies. :P

It is also what "baiting" is all about. Intentionally trying to get under the skin of specific target individuals to get them to say the wrong thing and either lose political points for it, strengthening their sponsor's campaign, or in the case of forums, get someone they don't like banned just for kicks.

Your goal is a good one and worth pursuing. I wish you the best, and I'll be sticking with ESO for the forseable future.

Lexynide

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

You mean the walls of sarcastic text? Yeah, I pretty much ignored that

Oh, so listing games that are just as big (not in your precious gigabytes, silly, but in quantity of actual content) and having some additional pros to it aside being similar to ESO is being sarcastic nowadays? Or argument about ZOS screwing up, lying and hiding things? I guess saying "ZOS lied to us about increasing CP cap" is a sarcasm too.
You did seem to respond to my actual sarcasm about size though, so now you're contradicting yourself in worst way possible.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Yes game size and platform span are not relative to each other, but if you consider everything Zenimax has to go through to get this game working for consoles as well as PC AND the size of the game TOGETHER with that there is going to be issues that will take a considerable amount of time to fix.

Oh, that's so terrible. They are but a poor child company of Zenimax/Bethesda and just barely make ends meet, with all that Crown Store, subbing and DLCs. They barely find time to improve quality of older models and textures, to fix ancient bugs and memory issues, to speed up game, but they do find time to provide us with yet another Crown Store offer next week, because this is truly important.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

While we wait for those fixes (provided we didn't ragequit and leave the game forever) we simply like to take a moment to acknowledge what ISN'T wrong with the game. Mock it if you will but frankly people are sick and tired of the forum community being negative all the time. Even now all this naysay is attempting to poison this thread.

Keep saying what is right in this game and soon you'll have nothing to say. Because it's useless to draw attention at things that are "kinda right I guess" instead of "woah man, you have something burning there. fix it asap before it blows up!".
One is not supposed to bother himself to find good things in the game. Good things should be seen right away. And if they're not, then there's a problem.
Making threads like "okay ZOS don't worry its no problem that you've screwed up 4-5th time this year" is beyond any sense. They are not victims, they are living well on our money we pay, all they have to do is fulfill their promises to fix this game.
We've been telling them all the time how it must be done: add Barber shop with NPC in each town similarly to Guild Stores or Dye Stations. What they do instead? Everything to *** players off and do it as cheaply and lazily as possible.

UltimaJoe777

Phinix1 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Zenimax has stated though that they intend to push smaller DLCs through so they can release new content more often to bring back customers that got bored.

I do see they are trying. They have a lot of good ideas actually.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

I'm not necessarily saying no one should complain and everyone should act like they're on cloud nine and be good and happy to each other always, but the amount of negativity on the forums actually drives more people away than anything, and that is actually something Zenimax does NOT want. By trying to make the forums a more friendly environment we actually encourage forum use and that could even bring more people to discuss the flaws in the game with a less hostile environment. That is a compromise I would support wholeheartedly!

That is as true here as it is in life. The world could benefit greatly from a more constructive dialogue.

Not only do the rude, insulting, entitled, immature comments derail otherwise constructive threads before they even get noticed, discouraging people with potentially interesting ideas from even bothering, they actually cause otherwise well-minded people to post things they later regret, or never meant to say, and wouldn't have said if they weren't surrounded by such a garbage in, garbage out environment.

Look up the Facebook study on "viral negativity." It's a thing, and trolls know it. Big media companies actually employ dozens of specialists to create hundreds of fake accounts on news sites and social media specifically for the purpose of creating viral negativity, to polarize people's emotions against a target subject, mostly for political or economic reasons.

Why I think many forum trolls are agents from other game companies. :P

It is also what "baiting" is all about. Intentionally trying to get under the skin of specific target individuals to get them to say the wrong thing and either lose political points for it, strengthening their sponsor's campaign, or in the case of forums, get someone they don't like banned just for kicks.

Your goal is a good one and worth pursuing. I wish you the best, and I'll be sticking with ESO for the forseable future.

Yeah, used to be I preferred the Virtual World over the Real World, but now you can barely see the difference... And likewise I wish you more enjoyment from ESO from what you can get from it

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Who cares what Joe thinks . Geez .

Well I know someone that isn't getting a cup of joe in the morning

Rohamad_Ali

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Who cares what Joe thinks . Geez .

Well I know someone that isn't getting a cup of joe in the morning

UltimaJoe777

Lexynide wrote: »

One is not supposed to bother himself to find good things in the game.

This right here is just plain a lie. We don't "bother ourselves" to find the good in this game, we already see it. Problem is we also see the bad, and everyone wants to complain about the bad but not often acknowledge the good. Technically speaking this forum is called "General Discussion" and not "General Complaints". If we want to take a moment to appreciate the game and what we find good about it we will and when we want to complain about the bad things we find we will. Problem is, complaints far outweigh compliments, and while that in and of itself is not frowned upon what IS frowned upon is how utterly negative people can be about it via aggression, baiting, etc.

And before you say anything about me only quoting that part of your post I did so because it's all I intend to reply to. It is also all I plan to reply to from you on this topic in general as it is both going nowhere and just stirring unnecessary argument. Good say, sir or madam.

UltimaJoe777

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

What, you don't like coffee? Or did I perhaps scar you for life on the fact coffee is called a cup of joe?

Lexynide

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Technically speaking this forum is called "General Discussion" and not "General Complaints".

Technically speaking complaints fall perfectly into discussion category.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

If we want to take a moment to appreciate the game

You already did that by buying it. And if there's something deserving special appreciation: like a very good character or a very fancy art then I also agree to that. But creating threads with people saying "don't be sad that you screwing up over and over! we support you totally in being ignorant, closing eyes on community feedback and not testing anything properly" is beyond any sense. And discussing whether it is beyond any sense is perfectly alright too.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Problem is, complaints far outweigh compliments

Maybe they overweight positive comments for a reason? Ever thought of that?

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

And before you say anything about me only quoting that part of your post I did so because it's all I intend to reply to. It is also all I plan to reply to from you on this topic in general as it is both going nowhere and just stirring unnecessary argument. Good say, sir or madam.

I love how you covertly said "I have no arguments lol didn't read ". Replying to all the offtopic things like what you meant by a "big game" and not replying to actual arguments towards game quality which is more related to topic than anything you ever said here.

Vipstaakki

Sunver wrote: »

As a software developer and CC administrator I know how hard failed deployment can be. One time me and my team had literally thousands of people waiting when our CallCenter campaign failed to start.

We understand ZoS, we appreciate the effort, we are patient, we cross fingers for you and we wish you good luck resolving the problem!

We are also grateful for amazing game you gave us and all the wonderful moments we had playing it!

Dear ESO players! If you agree with me, show your support in this thread!

I am glad that at least someone else on top of me understand.

Valorin

Screw all the flaming. Game is awesome. I keep on playing.