Horse training really needs to be changed already

Kammakazi

It's really confusing why there even is a 20-hour cooldown to upgrade one stat by 1. Just recently I had deleted a character with full 60/60/60 and it made me realize that training another character's horse again is going to be a part of my daily routine.

Why can I not pay the full $15,000 gold to max the an entire stat out? Just remove the cooldown already!

I mean bank space, and inventory space have no purchase cooldowns so... (probably cause crown store upgrades)

DannyLV702

This is the reason I don't like to play my new Templar, which I really want to play. No way in hell am I wasting half an hour to get from one keep to another. I wouldn't mind if the cost of training increased for training consecutively, kind of like fast traveling from wayshrine to wayshrine.

Morbash

Kammakazi wrote: »

(probably cause crown store upgrades)

Yep

Vaoh

"Pay real money or learn to wait, m8." - ZOS

Bouldercleave

I agree. Leveling mounts on alts is, well...painful

Luckily the training is valid no matter which mount you use, but something could be done for the insane training cool down.

DannyLV702

Although the last time I saw a thread like this, I remember a bunch of pve'ers crying about how it will ruin their fun and they would get bored if they could max everything out any faster lmfao

Vaoh

I'd like it if the gold cost was increased to 500g per skill and the cooldown increased to 24hrs, but the upgrade made to apply to all of your mounts account-wide.

Kammakazi

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Although the last time I saw a thread like this, I remember a bunch of pve'ers crying about how it will ruin their fun and they would get bored if they could max everything out any faster lmfao

Aw hell nah. Who the hell supports this type of training system

Bouldercleave

You can train it up with crowns, but 18,000 crowns just to max the horse is asinine.

To be honest, I level Stamina to 20 just for the armor appearance.

I don't really need to level capacity anymore as I'm a subscriber with the bag (sorry to those without it)

but even so - if I can log EVERY day - it still takes 3 months to max the speed and get me the armor appearance.

That seems like too long for not a lot of return on the time investment. The money is cake at this point. $45,000 gold isn't that big of a stretch anymore.

Rayya_Blackheart

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Although the last time I saw a thread like this, I remember a bunch of pve'ers crying about how it will ruin their fun and they would get bored if they could max everything out any faster lmfao

As a PvE person, I don't understand this mentality. We grind out chars in 2 days. Some content requires a fast mount to be able to be competitive.

Also, seriously, what the hell kinda horse eats once a day?

boldscot

They know how frustrating this is, that's why you can buy training scrolls from the Crown store.

Bouldercleave

Doncellius wrote: »

I'd like it if the gold cost was increased to 500g per skill and the cooldown increased to 24hrs, but the upgrade made to apply to all of your mounts account-wide.

I could get behind a program like this - great solution

DocFrost72

Account wide.

Done.

Lumenn

boldscot wrote: »

They know how frustrating this is, that's why you can buy training scrolls from the Crown store.

This. If there isn't a market for something, create one.

Runs

The crown store is the reason it's not account wide. And also why you can't just purchase and recieve all the upgrades up front...

I understand and accept they would not change this due to the revenue they make.

I wouldn't mind a compromise though. What if I pay for all the upgrades up front, and they automatically get added 1 per 20(or even 24) hours to the character that bought. Saving me the inconvenience, and the server, from me logging in and out of all my characters just to buy the daily upgrade.

CJohnson81

I'm all about playing as much as I can for free. If it takes 60 days, then that's what it takes. Whatever.

Jamie22

+1 on being able to upgrade it without cooldown, Like honestly if I want to max out my horse or atleast my mounts Speed and Stamina which seems to be most peoples priorities I have to wait 100 days? And thats with going out my way every day to log on each and every character I own and upgrade its mount?
Kinda boring pretty much being forced to either buy crowns or take all day crossing Cyrodiil to probably get zerged down by Malubeth, Reactive armor wearing Jesus beam spamming templars.

It got to the point where I have to plan out the characters I might want to make in the future so I can just start upgrading their mounts speed early so I am not a slug. Anyone disagreeing try getting mages guild rank 10 with 3% horse speed because I will never pick up another damn book in my life after that.

I know this will most likely not happen as there is the crown store for such things but one thousand crowns to upgrade my mount with 10 attribute points is alittle expensive considering I would need 6k crowns for each of my 5 characters I would like the speed upgraded on. I guess I best get saving up for 30,000 crowns or I will see you all in 2020 when I can ride around the map at a decent pace.
Please please please! let me spend gold to max out my mounts with no cool down, Thanks

Lunerdog

Horse training

180 x 20 hours

Bletch !

KimberlyannKitsuragi

I agree and make riding account wide!

Iluvrien

I'm going to quote myself from another thread:

Iluvrien wrote: »

Zyzzveli wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

And what exactly do you call trait research?

Iluvrien wrote: »

Trait research has time restrictions.

I definitely don't want to see yet another system become account-wide. Soon we will get to the point where there will be no time investment in a new character at all if ZOS gives in to all the calls for mount training, achievements, lorebooks, skyshards etc. to be made account-wide.

Key word "training" for example, levels, skills, guilds, etc. I agree with you guys I DO NOT want trait research to be shared. What I had regard towards was things that are upgradeable with gold in game and stats that can be leveled. There are no time restrictions, only grinding/money. Also training traits is a whole different animal. It is only for crafters and is used as a service. If everybody could provide the same level of service crafters would be impacted greatly. However, mounts are used by everybody and are not in the same category as traits, crafting, services etc.. Mounts are only benefited by the person that owns them so why not let them buy it all at once just like all other upgradeables?

Because leveled stats and skills have their own time limit. The one, as you yourself suggest, of grinding/playing out the increases. There is a time limit inherent to the process. Yes, it is a variable limit due to the different ways that people play, but it remains a part of the process.

A part of me wants to say that yes, people could get around the timer after maxing out one horse... but only in a system where they pay an increased amount based on a) the amount of time they want to skip, and b) the numerical value of the level itself. So, for a skill at level 1, wanting to skip immediately to level 2 you would pay 500. Level 3 for 750, Level 4 for 1000. It would be pretty similar to the following (for the level 2, 3, 4 etc.):



My estimates suggest that you could max one skill line immediately for the modest sum of 457500 gold. What do you think?

Rohamad_Ali

I think my real horse learned faster then my game horse to be honest .

Ourorboros

boldscot wrote: »

They know how frustrating this is, that's why you can buy training scrolls from the Crown store.

It's frustrating by design! I know many PVPers in particular spend crowns for faster mounts sooner. The only way zos changes current system is if players stop buying riding lessons. I don't like the system, but I understand it. It's all about the dollars.

Funkopotamus

Morbash wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

(probably cause crown store upgrades)

Yep

Exactly..

ZOS is trying to stick with " Convenience " only items in the store, but with everyone wanting to remove them ZOS will start looking for other ways to make money.


I say leave it as it is..

Mojmir

But it's p2w,lol

GrumpyDuckling

Kammakazi wrote: »

It's really confusing why there even is a 20-hour cooldown to upgrade one stat by 1. Just recently I had deleted a character with full 60/60/60 and it made me realize that training another character's horse again is going to be a part of my daily routine.

Why can I not pay the full $15,000 gold to max the an entire stat out? Just remove the cooldown already!

I mean bank space, and inventory space have no purchase cooldowns so... (probably cause crown store upgrades)

Agreed. Once we have 1 character reach the 60/60/60 threshold, we should be allowed to buy the upgrades for other characters without the cool down.

GrumpyDuckling

DannyLV702 wrote: »

This is the reason I don't like to play my new Templar, which I really want to play. No way in hell am I wasting half an hour to get from one keep to another. I wouldn't mind if the cost of training increased for training consecutively, kind of like fast traveling from wayshrine to wayshrine.

Oh man, you're telling me. It's so frustrating when you're about to reach a keep under siege after your long, slow travel, and then BAM! A group of Nightblades gank you.

When this happens I always stop playing PVP on my slow-horsed characters.

WldKarde

Guilty as charged for perpetuating ZOS's crown store model

I recently created a character only for PvP...and I'll be GD if I was going to spend forever and 59 more days to get my horse up to speed.


Yep I bought the darned scrolls...


Sorry folks but if ya don't get there...ya don't get no AP



Now if they'd just come up with a scroll to make me not do stupid sh!t once I get there...Hell I'd buy every darned one of those too!

C0wrex

Hold on... I'm thinking of a really good way to defend ZOS on their decision of leaving the mount training system as it is..

Let's see...

Lore? Nah... Immersion? Nah?

...



Screw it. I got nothing...






Still love the game though

Travy_2Hype

I actually don't mind it, granted training my horse have become more a daily routine for me.

Log in - Travel to Ghatwood - Run by Stable - Go pick up Pledges.

However, I do think that Training should be universal between accounts.

Oakmontowls_ESO

Hey guys remember when leveling mounts was even worse and instead of a character mount skill you had to level each mount individually. So either stop complaining and do what everyone else has done and wait the time or shell out your money and buy the crown books cause it could be much worse.

Skinzz

They should have simply made the mount training only mount based so if my wolf mount is 60/60 then any character using that mount is fully trained.