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When we change our Race, let us pick any race outside our faction including Imperials... PLEASE ZOS
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Rayya_Blackheart✭✭✭Won't this whole thing be void when Tamriel One is released? PvP excluded.PC NA Rayya Blackheart pitiful DPS NB CP160
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✭✭✭✭✭Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »Won't this whole thing be void when Tamriel One is released? PvP excluded.
Probably. Though there might be some restrictions on One Tamriel we don't know about yet.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »Won't this whole thing be void when Tamriel One is released? PvP excluded.
Shhh this thread is getting good.1 -
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✭No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
I normally crap on people wanting free stuff. but He has a point. Race change cost more than the dlc. For the prices they are asking for these thingd I don't think it'a too much to ask for.
Many would rather buy the dlc for less d roll out a new toon. The price they ask would onlt entice the more desperate. People aren't exactlt going to change race once or twice week.0 -
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✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »
Wanna elaborate? The content pricing should include cross faction races for just that one payment of race change.
I'm factually correct when I say it would not be "free", the change race is twice the price as the dlc for cross faction races, so it's quite justifiable and reasonable to make the sound argument that we should have cross faction races included onto this race change content.
I don't need to elaborate. I already made my case before DaveMoeDee made his post, a post that ignored that you'd already been completely debunked.
But I'll restate the case, since ignoring proof of our incorrectness seems to be a growing movement in today's world: If Person X paid for "Any Race, Any Alliance" and Person Y did not and race change costs the same for both players, and if Player Y gets to use "Any Race, Any Alliance," then Player Y is getting what Player X purchased for free. That's not opinion. That's math.
That doesn't mean it isn't well within ZOS' rights to give it to Player Y for free. That doesn't mean the cost of Race Change isn't high enough to include "Any Race, Any Alliance" in the package. That doesn't mean it's not perfectly fair to give it to Y for free.
All it means is that if X and Y purchase the same package for the same price and Y gets something X already paid for, Y is getting something for free. How much the package costs is irrelevant. Fairness is irrelevant. It's math. It's not an arguable point. It's an issue of fact, not opinion. What you want to be true is false.
(Mind you, I think you have a perfectly good case to make that what you want is fair. But that's not the case you're making. You're making the case that what you want is not getting something for free. That's simply false, and frankly beside the point. Instead, you should argue that you're paying so much you deserve it for free. Yeah, you'll *** off a lot of people who'll disagree with you, but at least you'll be debating opinions, not claiming a falsehood as fact.)Smasherx74 wrote: »No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
13 of you don't understand the definition of free I'm guessing.
You're paying more than the DLC costs to race change.Smasherx74 wrote: »
So in that case for us who bought the pack earlier, we will be reimbursed the crowns then when buying a race change?
Otherwise we have paid for something that you want for free.
So in that case then for us who didn't buy the Imperial DLC specifically and we want to change our race to Khajiit from Nord, we have to stack another 1000-2000 crowns on top of that 3000 crown purchase to get the race change. Makes sense, I'm not paying for either in that case.
That is really up to you but I am sure a lot of people will pay for it. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, if you want it just buy it like everyone else had to or will have to. And you don't have to buy a race change, you could just buy any race any alliance and make new character. But if you just want to take the easy way it will cost a little more.
I don't want to have to pay for a bundle addition of ESO just to change my race to an optimal race for a build...
Then you don't want to play ESO. This is the way it has been since launch. In fact until the Adventurer's Pack was released with the Crown Store it was even worse. Now you want to side-step purchases that others have had to make to facilitate your use of a totally optional mechanic? No thanks.2 -
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✭Any Race Any Alliance is a pay gate feature of the game at launch.
It was a pay gate feature of the game at console launch.
They told you are have reenforced you will have to have any race any alliance to have any race in any alliance race change.
The 3K crowns for your race upcoming race changes pays for your race change, why would you think paying to change your race would allow you access to something you couldn't do at charachter create?3 -
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✭Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »
Wanna elaborate? The content pricing should include cross faction races for just that one payment of race change.
I'm factually correct when I say it would not be "free", the change race is twice the price as the dlc for cross faction races, so it's quite justifiable and reasonable to make the sound argument that we should have cross faction races included onto this race change content.
I don't need to elaborate. I already made my case before DaveMoeDee made his post, a post that ignored that you'd already been completely debunked.
But I'll restate the case, since ignoring proof of our incorrectness seems to be a growing movement in today's world: If Person X paid for "Any Race, Any Alliance" and Person Y did not and race change costs the same for both players, and if Player Y gets to use "Any Race, Any Alliance," then Player Y is getting what Player X purchased for free. That's not opinion. That's math.
That doesn't mean it isn't well within ZOS' rights to give it to Player Y for free. That doesn't mean the cost of Race Change isn't high enough to include "Any Race, Any Alliance" in the package. That doesn't mean it's not perfectly fair to give it to Y for free.
All it means is that if X and Y purchase the same package for the same price and Y gets something X already paid for, Y is getting something for free. How much the package costs is irrelevant. Fairness is irrelevant. It's math. It's not an arguable point. It's an issue of fact, not opinion. What you want to be true is false.
(Mind you, I think you have a perfectly good case to make that what you want is fair. But that's not the case you're making. You're making the case that what you want is not getting something for free. That's simply false, and frankly beside the point. Instead, you should argue that you're paying so much you deserve it for free. Yeah, you'll *** off a lot of people who'll disagree with you, but at least you'll be debating opinions, not claiming a falsehood as fact.)Smasherx74 wrote: »No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
13 of you don't understand the definition of free I'm guessing.
You're paying more than the DLC costs to race change.Smasherx74 wrote: »
So in that case for us who bought the pack earlier, we will be reimbursed the crowns then when buying a race change?
Otherwise we have paid for something that you want for free.
So in that case then for us who didn't buy the Imperial DLC specifically and we want to change our race to Khajiit from Nord, we have to stack another 1000-2000 crowns on top of that 3000 crown purchase to get the race change. Makes sense, I'm not paying for either in that case.
That is really up to you but I am sure a lot of people will pay for it. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, if you want it just buy it like everyone else had to or will have to. And you don't have to buy a race change, you could just buy any race any alliance and make new character. But if you just want to take the easy way it will cost a little more.
I don't want to have to pay for a bundle addition of ESO just to change my race to an optimal race for a build...
Then you don't want to play ESO. This is the way it has been since launch. In fact until the Adventurer's Pack was released with the Crown Store it was even worse. Now you want to side-step purchases that others have had to make to facilitate your use of a totally optional mechanic? No thanks.
Conservative business decisions by one of the most in my opinion liberal gaming companies on the market. Sure the took over fallout but the freedom they've given their modding community and entitled them to their rights is something that goes down in gaming history. This may be a MMO but the fact remains this game to a certain degree has focused on the ability to play it most optimally. It only makes sense ZOS gives us freedom to switch our kharacters from a nord to a khajiit for example. With a 3000 crown charge which is more than DLC content I feel it's only an incentive for players to have cross faction races if they don't want to buy the imperial bundle for example.Master Debater0 -
AGrz5585✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »
Wanna elaborate? The content pricing should include cross faction races for just that one payment of race change.
I'm factually correct when I say it would not be "free", the change race is twice the price as the dlc for cross faction races, so it's quite justifiable and reasonable to make the sound argument that we should have cross faction races included onto this race change content.
I don't need to elaborate. I already made my case before DaveMoeDee made his post, a post that ignored that you'd already been completely debunked.
But I'll restate the case, since ignoring proof of our incorrectness seems to be a growing movement in today's world: If Person X paid for "Any Race, Any Alliance" and Person Y did not and race change costs the same for both players, and if Player Y gets to use "Any Race, Any Alliance," then Player Y is getting what Player X purchased for free. That's not opinion. That's math.
That doesn't mean it isn't well within ZOS' rights to give it to Player Y for free. That doesn't mean the cost of Race Change isn't high enough to include "Any Race, Any Alliance" in the package. That doesn't mean it's not perfectly fair to give it to Y for free.
All it means is that if X and Y purchase the same package for the same price and Y gets something X already paid for, Y is getting something for free. How much the package costs is irrelevant. Fairness is irrelevant. It's math. It's not an arguable point. It's an issue of fact, not opinion. What you want to be true is false.
(Mind you, I think you have a perfectly good case to make that what you want is fair. But that's not the case you're making. You're making the case that what you want is not getting something for free. That's simply false, and frankly beside the point. Instead, you should argue that you're paying so much you deserve it for free. Yeah, you'll *** off a lot of people who'll disagree with you, but at least you'll be debating opinions, not claiming a falsehood as fact.)Smasherx74 wrote: »No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
13 of you don't understand the definition of free I'm guessing.
You're paying more than the DLC costs to race change.Smasherx74 wrote: »
So in that case for us who bought the pack earlier, we will be reimbursed the crowns then when buying a race change?
Otherwise we have paid for something that you want for free.
So in that case then for us who didn't buy the Imperial DLC specifically and we want to change our race to Khajiit from Nord, we have to stack another 1000-2000 crowns on top of that 3000 crown purchase to get the race change. Makes sense, I'm not paying for either in that case.
That is really up to you but I am sure a lot of people will pay for it. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, if you want it just buy it like everyone else had to or will have to. And you don't have to buy a race change, you could just buy any race any alliance and make new character. But if you just want to take the easy way it will cost a little more.
I don't want to have to pay for a bundle addition of ESO just to change my race to an optimal race for a build...
Then you don't want to play ESO. This is the way it has been since launch. In fact until the Adventurer's Pack was released with the Crown Store it was even worse. Now you want to side-step purchases that others have had to make to facilitate your use of a totally optional mechanic? No thanks.
Conservative business decisions by one of the most in my opinion liberal gaming companies on the market. Sure the took over fallout but the freedom they've given their modding community and entitled them to their rights is something that goes down in gaming history. This may be a MMO but the fact remains this game to a certain degree has focused on the ability to play it most optimally. It only makes sense ZOS gives us freedom to switch our kharacters from a nord to a khajiit for example. With a 3000 crown charge which is more than DLC content I feel it's only an incentive for players to have cross faction races if they don't want to buy the imperial bundle for example.
So what about all of us that bought any race, any alliance? We basically lose out on money we spent for something because you feel entitled to have something that we already paid for?
If you want to be a khajiit so bad, reroll or buy the adventure pack for 1900 crowns like the rest of us did5 -
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✭I'm a little confused. Can someone please clear this up? If one already owns any race and any alliance and you buy the token. Can you change your character to a different faction now?0 -
GivvumBoane✭✭✭✭DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »I'm a little confused. Can someone please clear this up? If one already owns any race and any alliance and you buy the token. Can you change your character to a different faction now?
You are changing your race, not allianceAll hail the prophet that is Mike Judge, for his Idiocracy prophecy is near fruition.0 -
Rayya_Blackheart✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »Won't this whole thing be void when Tamriel One is released? PvP excluded.
Shhh this thread is getting good.
Sorry... I came down with a sudden case of ideas and thoughts
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thisisScoMan✭✭✭✭YES!!!! AND WE SHOULD ALSO GET A FREE MOUNT WITH THE CHANGE BECAUSE I WANT MY KHAJIIT TO RIDE A LION NOT AN IMPERIAL WHITE HORSRE BECAUSE THE LION MOUNT IS LESS THAN THE RACE CHANGE ANYWAY SO I SHOULD GET IT FOR FREE BECAUSE I WANT A DIFFERENT MOUNT FOR MY NEW RACE!!!!!!!!!!
AND I SHOULD ALSO GET FREE COSTUMES BECAUSE I'M CHANGING FROM A MALE TO A FEMALE AND THE MALE COSTUMES WON'T WORK ON MY NEW GENDER AND THE COSTUMES COST LESS THAN THE RACE CHANGE ANYWAY SO THEY SHOULD BE FREE!!!!!!!!!Edited by thisisScoMan on July 28, 2016 4:47AMXbox One. NA Server
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Kronuxx✭✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »I know the Imperial DLC is what gives you access to all races and imperial Race I believe, but why not let players change to ANY race if they're paying MORE than the actual DLC costs to change their race. I tried in the PTS when it first went up and noticed this issue so I don't know if it was chanegd.
Personally, I wont change any of my races if I can't switch to say Khajiit on my nord stamplar. I'm also not going to pay for the imperial DLC just to change my race to the race I want AFTER paying 3000 or so crowns just to change the race to begin with. Please tell me everyone agrees on this issue, there is no reason to force players to buy the DLC ontop of their race change just to pick the race they actually want to change to.
Edit: People saying "I paid for all races and I don't want you having it for free", It's not free the race change costs MORE than the dlc does.
Sorry but no. I paid for the explorer's pack. Doing this makes it void. I also would like the race change which just like you, I will have to pay for. You want any race in any alliance? Buy the explorer's pack like many others did before race change. Then buy the race change if you want to get your sick furry fetish in on the ebonheart side.
I don't get it, where'd all these spoiled babies come from? What's going on here? Reminds of a good Aesop Tale: Spare the rod and spoil the child.Edited by Kronuxx on July 28, 2016 5:15AM7 -
GivvumBoane✭✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »I know the Imperial DLC is what gives you access to all races and imperial Race I believe, but why not let players change to ANY race if they're paying MORE than the actual DLC costs to change their race. I tried in the PTS when it first went up and noticed this issue so I don't know if it was chanegd.
Personally, I wont change any of my races if I can't switch to say Khajiit on my nord stamplar. I'm also not going to pay for the imperial DLC just to change my race to the race I want AFTER paying 3000 or so crowns just to change the race to begin with. Please tell me everyone agrees on this issue, there is no reason to force players to buy the DLC ontop of their race change just to pick the race they actually want to change to.
Edit: People saying "I paid for all races and I don't want you having it for free", It's not free the race change costs MORE than the dlc does.
Sorry but no. I paid for the explorer's pack. Doing this makes it void. I also would like the race change which just like you, I will have to pay for. You want any race in any alliance? Buy the explorer's pack like many others did before race change. Then buy the race change if you want to get your sick furry fetish in on the ebonheart side. A spoiled baby and a weirdo at the same time. Don't come by those often.
If they want to change to a race outside of their alliance, they'll buy the explorer/adventurer's pack. The 'Z' knows this. They would be fools to allow cross alliance race changes to those without the pack. They would lose out on explorer pack sales. Looks like all those people talking about race changing to redguard will have to drop more crowns if they don't have the pack. As it should be.All hail the prophet that is Mike Judge, for his Idiocracy prophecy is near fruition.5 -
Marrtha✭✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »Edit: People saying "I paid for all races and I don't want you having it for free", It's not free the race change costs MORE than the dlc does.
That does not matter AT ALL, because the people who did buy the package to play as any race will still be paying more in total than you if they decide to change their race.
Pointless thread is pointless. But well, knowing ZOS, to them it might actually seem like a good idea. Or maybe not, after all, the prices for appearance change right now are pretty high.Use @Marrtha when replying!3 -
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Sorta kinda maybe not really. While you'll be able to travel to any zone to quest in, your race will presumably still be bound dependent on your faction of choice. For example, while you'll be able to go and quest in Auridon straight away, without the ARAA someone who chooses DC in character creation will still only be able to be a Breton, Redguard, or Orc.Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »Won't this whole thing be void when Tamriel One is released? PvP excluded.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭✭ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »To clarify what appears to be a common misconception once and for all, at least in this discussion:
Purchasing the Imperial Edition (or Imperial Upgrade) earns you the ability to create an Imperial character. It never allowed players to play any race in any alliance. The Imperial character can be in any alliance, however.
In order to play any race in any alliance, players would have had to have either:
The Explorer's Pack which was available on pre-ordered versions of ESO
The Adventurer's Pack which is available in the Crown Store; it's identical to the Explorer's Pack except for the pet.
Wrong the crown edition on console has always been out and includes the exp pack same was always the same price too
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Burning_Talons✭✭✭✭✭Look at all the people saying "Ohh i pay you no get" Shutup please
Race change for 1 char costs more then the adventure pack so uh if they want to let them only if they purchase a token1 -
GivvumBoane✭✭✭✭Burning_Talons wrote: »Look at all the people saying "Ohh i pay you no get" Shutup please
Race change for 1 char costs more then the adventure pack so uh if they want to let them only if they purchase a token
People with the adventure pack have to pay the same price for a race change.All hail the prophet that is Mike Judge, for his Idiocracy prophecy is near fruition.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »
Wanna elaborate? The content pricing should include cross faction races for just that one payment of race change.
I'm factually correct when I say it would not be "free", the change race is twice the price as the dlc for cross faction races, so it's quite justifiable and reasonable to make the sound argument that we should have cross faction races included onto this race change content.
I don't need to elaborate. I already made my case before DaveMoeDee made his post, a post that ignored that you'd already been completely debunked.
But I'll restate the case, since ignoring proof of our incorrectness seems to be a growing movement in today's world: If Person X paid for "Any Race, Any Alliance" and Person Y did not and race change costs the same for both players, and if Player Y gets to use "Any Race, Any Alliance," then Player Y is getting what Player X purchased for free. That's not opinion. That's math.
That doesn't mean it isn't well within ZOS' rights to give it to Player Y for free. That doesn't mean the cost of Race Change isn't high enough to include "Any Race, Any Alliance" in the package. That doesn't mean it's not perfectly fair to give it to Y for free.
All it means is that if X and Y purchase the same package for the same price and Y gets something X already paid for, Y is getting something for free. How much the package costs is irrelevant. Fairness is irrelevant. It's math. It's not an arguable point. It's an issue of fact, not opinion. What you want to be true is false.
(Mind you, I think you have a perfectly good case to make that what you want is fair. But that's not the case you're making. You're making the case that what you want is not getting something for free. That's simply false, and frankly beside the point. Instead, you should argue that you're paying so much you deserve it for free. Yeah, you'll *** off a lot of people who'll disagree with you, but at least you'll be debating opinions, not claiming a falsehood as fact.)Smasherx74 wrote: »No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
13 of you don't understand the definition of free I'm guessing.
You're paying more than the DLC costs to race change.Smasherx74 wrote: »
So in that case for us who bought the pack earlier, we will be reimbursed the crowns then when buying a race change?
Otherwise we have paid for something that you want for free.
So in that case then for us who didn't buy the Imperial DLC specifically and we want to change our race to Khajiit from Nord, we have to stack another 1000-2000 crowns on top of that 3000 crown purchase to get the race change. Makes sense, I'm not paying for either in that case.
That is really up to you but I am sure a lot of people will pay for it. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, if you want it just buy it like everyone else had to or will have to. And you don't have to buy a race change, you could just buy any race any alliance and make new character. But if you just want to take the easy way it will cost a little more.
I don't want to have to pay for a bundle addition of ESO just to change my race to an optimal race for a build...
Why not? If you get ARAA, next time you make a character you'll be able to pick the "optimal" race from the get-go rather than having to pay for a race change after you create them, no? You'll save money in the long run.The Moot Councillor3 -
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✭Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »
Wanna elaborate? The content pricing should include cross faction races for just that one payment of race change.
I'm factually correct when I say it would not be "free", the change race is twice the price as the dlc for cross faction races, so it's quite justifiable and reasonable to make the sound argument that we should have cross faction races included onto this race change content.
I don't need to elaborate. I already made my case before DaveMoeDee made his post, a post that ignored that you'd already been completely debunked.
But I'll restate the case, since ignoring proof of our incorrectness seems to be a growing movement in today's world: If Person X paid for "Any Race, Any Alliance" and Person Y did not and race change costs the same for both players, and if Player Y gets to use "Any Race, Any Alliance," then Player Y is getting what Player X purchased for free. That's not opinion. That's math.
That doesn't mean it isn't well within ZOS' rights to give it to Player Y for free. That doesn't mean the cost of Race Change isn't high enough to include "Any Race, Any Alliance" in the package. That doesn't mean it's not perfectly fair to give it to Y for free.
All it means is that if X and Y purchase the same package for the same price and Y gets something X already paid for, Y is getting something for free. How much the package costs is irrelevant. Fairness is irrelevant. It's math. It's not an arguable point. It's an issue of fact, not opinion. What you want to be true is false.
(Mind you, I think you have a perfectly good case to make that what you want is fair. But that's not the case you're making. You're making the case that what you want is not getting something for free. That's simply false, and frankly beside the point. Instead, you should argue that you're paying so much you deserve it for free. Yeah, you'll *** off a lot of people who'll disagree with you, but at least you'll be debating opinions, not claiming a falsehood as fact.)Smasherx74 wrote: »No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
13 of you don't understand the definition of free I'm guessing.
You're paying more than the DLC costs to race change.Smasherx74 wrote: »
So in that case for us who bought the pack earlier, we will be reimbursed the crowns then when buying a race change?
Otherwise we have paid for something that you want for free.
So in that case then for us who didn't buy the Imperial DLC specifically and we want to change our race to Khajiit from Nord, we have to stack another 1000-2000 crowns on top of that 3000 crown purchase to get the race change. Makes sense, I'm not paying for either in that case.
That is really up to you but I am sure a lot of people will pay for it. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, if you want it just buy it like everyone else had to or will have to. And you don't have to buy a race change, you could just buy any race any alliance and make new character. But if you just want to take the easy way it will cost a little more.
I don't want to have to pay for a bundle addition of ESO just to change my race to an optimal race for a build...
Why not? If you get ARAA, next time you make a character you'll be able to pick the "optimal" race from the get-go rather than having to pay for a race change after you create them, no? You'll save money in the long run.
IF I play the game casually and want to optimize my build on my only character I should be able to.Master Debater0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »
Wanna elaborate? The content pricing should include cross faction races for just that one payment of race change.
I'm factually correct when I say it would not be "free", the change race is twice the price as the dlc for cross faction races, so it's quite justifiable and reasonable to make the sound argument that we should have cross faction races included onto this race change content.
I don't need to elaborate. I already made my case before DaveMoeDee made his post, a post that ignored that you'd already been completely debunked.
But I'll restate the case, since ignoring proof of our incorrectness seems to be a growing movement in today's world: If Person X paid for "Any Race, Any Alliance" and Person Y did not and race change costs the same for both players, and if Player Y gets to use "Any Race, Any Alliance," then Player Y is getting what Player X purchased for free. That's not opinion. That's math.
That doesn't mean it isn't well within ZOS' rights to give it to Player Y for free. That doesn't mean the cost of Race Change isn't high enough to include "Any Race, Any Alliance" in the package. That doesn't mean it's not perfectly fair to give it to Y for free.
All it means is that if X and Y purchase the same package for the same price and Y gets something X already paid for, Y is getting something for free. How much the package costs is irrelevant. Fairness is irrelevant. It's math. It's not an arguable point. It's an issue of fact, not opinion. What you want to be true is false.
(Mind you, I think you have a perfectly good case to make that what you want is fair. But that's not the case you're making. You're making the case that what you want is not getting something for free. That's simply false, and frankly beside the point. Instead, you should argue that you're paying so much you deserve it for free. Yeah, you'll *** off a lot of people who'll disagree with you, but at least you'll be debating opinions, not claiming a falsehood as fact.)Smasherx74 wrote: »No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
13 of you don't understand the definition of free I'm guessing.
You're paying more than the DLC costs to race change.Smasherx74 wrote: »
So in that case for us who bought the pack earlier, we will be reimbursed the crowns then when buying a race change?
Otherwise we have paid for something that you want for free.
So in that case then for us who didn't buy the Imperial DLC specifically and we want to change our race to Khajiit from Nord, we have to stack another 1000-2000 crowns on top of that 3000 crown purchase to get the race change. Makes sense, I'm not paying for either in that case.
That is really up to you but I am sure a lot of people will pay for it. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, if you want it just buy it like everyone else had to or will have to. And you don't have to buy a race change, you could just buy any race any alliance and make new character. But if you just want to take the easy way it will cost a little more.
I don't want to have to pay for a bundle addition of ESO just to change my race to an optimal race for a build...
Why not? If you get ARAA, next time you make a character you'll be able to pick the "optimal" race from the get-go rather than having to pay for a race change after you create them, no? You'll save money in the long run.
IF I play the game casually and want to optimize my build on my only character I should be able to.
You are able to.
You just have to pay like everybody. As people already said many times:GivvumBoane wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »Look at all the people saying "Ohh i pay you no get" Shutup please
Race change for 1 char costs more then the adventure pack so uh if they want to let them only if they purchase a token
People with the adventure pack have to pay the same price for a race change.
Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
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✭DurzoBlint13 wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »I know the Imperial DLC is what gives you access to all races and imperial Race I believe, but why not let players change to ANY race if they're paying MORE than the actual DLC costs to change their race. I tried in the PTS when it first went up and noticed this issue so I don't know if it was chanegd.
Personally, I wont change any of my races if I can't switch to say Khajiit on my nord stamplar. I'm also not going to pay for the imperial DLC just to change my race to the race I want AFTER paying 3000 or so crowns just to change the race to begin with. Please tell me everyone agrees on this issue, there is no reason to force players to buy the DLC ontop of their race change just to pick the race they actually want to change to.
"any race, any alliance" was free as long as you preordered on console. The Imperial race is only available with the "Imperial Edition". Both of which can be purchased in crown store now for minimal cost. Why would they tell one group of people they had to pay for something and then turn around and just give it away to another group? They will (and should) keep it as an extra feature available for extra cost.Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »
Wanna elaborate? The content pricing should include cross faction races for just that one payment of race change.
I'm factually correct when I say it would not be "free", the change race is twice the price as the dlc for cross faction races, so it's quite justifiable and reasonable to make the sound argument that we should have cross faction races included onto this race change content.
I don't need to elaborate. I already made my case before DaveMoeDee made his post, a post that ignored that you'd already been completely debunked.
But I'll restate the case, since ignoring proof of our incorrectness seems to be a growing movement in today's world: If Person X paid for "Any Race, Any Alliance" and Person Y did not and race change costs the same for both players, and if Player Y gets to use "Any Race, Any Alliance," then Player Y is getting what Player X purchased for free. That's not opinion. That's math.
That doesn't mean it isn't well within ZOS' rights to give it to Player Y for free. That doesn't mean the cost of Race Change isn't high enough to include "Any Race, Any Alliance" in the package. That doesn't mean it's not perfectly fair to give it to Y for free.
All it means is that if X and Y purchase the same package for the same price and Y gets something X already paid for, Y is getting something for free. How much the package costs is irrelevant. Fairness is irrelevant. It's math. It's not an arguable point. It's an issue of fact, not opinion. What you want to be true is false.
(Mind you, I think you have a perfectly good case to make that what you want is fair. But that's not the case you're making. You're making the case that what you want is not getting something for free. That's simply false, and frankly beside the point. Instead, you should argue that you're paying so much you deserve it for free. Yeah, you'll *** off a lot of people who'll disagree with you, but at least you'll be debating opinions, not claiming a falsehood as fact.)Smasherx74 wrote: »No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
13 of you don't understand the definition of free I'm guessing.
You're paying more than the DLC costs to race change.Smasherx74 wrote: »
So in that case for us who bought the pack earlier, we will be reimbursed the crowns then when buying a race change?
Otherwise we have paid for something that you want for free.
So in that case then for us who didn't buy the Imperial DLC specifically and we want to change our race to Khajiit from Nord, we have to stack another 1000-2000 crowns on top of that 3000 crown purchase to get the race change. Makes sense, I'm not paying for either in that case.
That is really up to you but I am sure a lot of people will pay for it. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, if you want it just buy it like everyone else had to or will have to. And you don't have to buy a race change, you could just buy any race any alliance and make new character. But if you just want to take the easy way it will cost a little more.
I don't want to have to pay for a bundle addition of ESO just to change my race to an optimal race for a build...
Then you don't want to play ESO. This is the way it has been since launch. In fact until the Adventurer's Pack was released with the Crown Store it was even worse. Now you want to side-step purchases that others have had to make to facilitate your use of a totally optional mechanic? No thanks.
I don't get how you can't see this:
1: they altered racial passives, so whatever race you wete, or picked for that reason, is probably gone.
2: it cost MORE than adventurer's pack to begin with, and only applies to 1 character. You don't get to bypass ***. Seriously go compare the teo prices and tell me you thought this through.
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✭GivvumBoane wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »Look at all the people saying "Ohh i pay you no get" Shutup please
Race change for 1 char costs more then the adventure pack so uh if they want to let them only if they purchase a token
People with the adventure pack have to pay the same price for a race change.
Right. But those people can also roll out a new toon in 6hrs and be maxed level in any faction. Race change looks like something onlt very very desperate people will do. The financial cost is extraordinary, why make it worse.
it baffles me how zeni,ax can do something legitamately aweso,e and people ragw for weeks about it. A valid point has been brought up and everyome is against it? ***'n'hell???
if race change was same price or lower than adventurer's pack I'd be on your side all the way. But until /unless they decrease that price by a significant margin I can't see any reason it should not include any alliance.
Infact, I'd wager that if they shrunk the price to 1500 crowns they'd sell more of both adventurer packs/race changes.
that way I could just keep changimg race on my nb to wood elf in pvp and high elf for vmsa. At the current cost (I already have adventurer's pack, so thats covered) I wont even buy 1 race change.1 -
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✭Smasherx74 wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »
Wanna elaborate? The content pricing should include cross faction races for just that one payment of race change.
I'm factually correct when I say it would not be "free", the change race is twice the price as the dlc for cross faction races, so it's quite justifiable and reasonable to make the sound argument that we should have cross faction races included onto this race change content.
I don't need to elaborate. I already made my case before DaveMoeDee made his post, a post that ignored that you'd already been completely debunked.
But I'll restate the case, since ignoring proof of our incorrectness seems to be a growing movement in today's world: If Person X paid for "Any Race, Any Alliance" and Person Y did not and race change costs the same for both players, and if Player Y gets to use "Any Race, Any Alliance," then Player Y is getting what Player X purchased for free. That's not opinion. That's math.
That doesn't mean it isn't well within ZOS' rights to give it to Player Y for free. That doesn't mean the cost of Race Change isn't high enough to include "Any Race, Any Alliance" in the package. That doesn't mean it's not perfectly fair to give it to Y for free.
All it means is that if X and Y purchase the same package for the same price and Y gets something X already paid for, Y is getting something for free. How much the package costs is irrelevant. Fairness is irrelevant. It's math. It's not an arguable point. It's an issue of fact, not opinion. What you want to be true is false.
(Mind you, I think you have a perfectly good case to make that what you want is fair. But that's not the case you're making. You're making the case that what you want is not getting something for free. That's simply false, and frankly beside the point. Instead, you should argue that you're paying so much you deserve it for free. Yeah, you'll *** off a lot of people who'll disagree with you, but at least you'll be debating opinions, not claiming a falsehood as fact.)Smasherx74 wrote: »No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
13 of you don't understand the definition of free I'm guessing.
You're paying more than the DLC costs to race change.Smasherx74 wrote: »
So in that case for us who bought the pack earlier, we will be reimbursed the crowns then when buying a race change?
Otherwise we have paid for something that you want for free.
So in that case then for us who didn't buy the Imperial DLC specifically and we want to change our race to Khajiit from Nord, we have to stack another 1000-2000 crowns on top of that 3000 crown purchase to get the race change. Makes sense, I'm not paying for either in that case.
That is really up to you but I am sure a lot of people will pay for it. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, if you want it just buy it like everyone else had to or will have to. And you don't have to buy a race change, you could just buy any race any alliance and make new character. But if you just want to take the easy way it will cost a little more.
I don't want to have to pay for a bundle addition of ESO just to change my race to an optimal race for a build...
Why not? If you get ARAA, next time you make a character you'll be able to pick the "optimal" race from the get-go rather than having to pay for a race change after you create them, no? You'll save money in the long run.
IF I play the game casually and want to optimize my build on my only character I should be able to.
You are able to.
You just have to pay like everybody. As people already said many times:GivvumBoane wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »Look at all the people saying "Ohh i pay you no get" Shutup please
Race change for 1 char costs more then the adventure pack so uh if they want to let them only if they purchase a token
People with the adventure pack have to pay the same price for a race change.
Once again, the race change costs 3000 crowns which is not free... nothing is free here, you're trying to tell me those 3000 crowns shouldn't cover a cross faction race change. Considering it is 3000 crowns each time, players who bought Cross faction races are not losing out on anything so long as people who haven't bought it have to buy a Race Change token for 3000 crowns to get cross faction races.
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✭✭✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »
Wanna elaborate? The content pricing should include cross faction races for just that one payment of race change.
I'm factually correct when I say it would not be "free", the change race is twice the price as the dlc for cross faction races, so it's quite justifiable and reasonable to make the sound argument that we should have cross faction races included onto this race change content.
I don't need to elaborate. I already made my case before DaveMoeDee made his post, a post that ignored that you'd already been completely debunked.
But I'll restate the case, since ignoring proof of our incorrectness seems to be a growing movement in today's world: If Person X paid for "Any Race, Any Alliance" and Person Y did not and race change costs the same for both players, and if Player Y gets to use "Any Race, Any Alliance," then Player Y is getting what Player X purchased for free. That's not opinion. That's math.
That doesn't mean it isn't well within ZOS' rights to give it to Player Y for free. That doesn't mean the cost of Race Change isn't high enough to include "Any Race, Any Alliance" in the package. That doesn't mean it's not perfectly fair to give it to Y for free.
All it means is that if X and Y purchase the same package for the same price and Y gets something X already paid for, Y is getting something for free. How much the package costs is irrelevant. Fairness is irrelevant. It's math. It's not an arguable point. It's an issue of fact, not opinion. What you want to be true is false.
(Mind you, I think you have a perfectly good case to make that what you want is fair. But that's not the case you're making. You're making the case that what you want is not getting something for free. That's simply false, and frankly beside the point. Instead, you should argue that you're paying so much you deserve it for free. Yeah, you'll *** off a lot of people who'll disagree with you, but at least you'll be debating opinions, not claiming a falsehood as fact.)Smasherx74 wrote: »No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
13 of you don't understand the definition of free I'm guessing.
You're paying more than the DLC costs to race change.Smasherx74 wrote: »
So in that case for us who bought the pack earlier, we will be reimbursed the crowns then when buying a race change?
Otherwise we have paid for something that you want for free.
So in that case then for us who didn't buy the Imperial DLC specifically and we want to change our race to Khajiit from Nord, we have to stack another 1000-2000 crowns on top of that 3000 crown purchase to get the race change. Makes sense, I'm not paying for either in that case.
That is really up to you but I am sure a lot of people will pay for it. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, if you want it just buy it like everyone else had to or will have to. And you don't have to buy a race change, you could just buy any race any alliance and make new character. But if you just want to take the easy way it will cost a little more.
I don't want to have to pay for a bundle addition of ESO just to change my race to an optimal race for a build...
Why not? If you get ARAA, next time you make a character you'll be able to pick the "optimal" race from the get-go rather than having to pay for a race change after you create them, no? You'll save money in the long run.
IF I play the game casually and want to optimize my build on my only character I should be able to.
You are able to.
You just have to pay like everybody. As people already said many times:GivvumBoane wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »Look at all the people saying "Ohh i pay you no get" Shutup please
Race change for 1 char costs more then the adventure pack so uh if they want to let them only if they purchase a token
People with the adventure pack have to pay the same price for a race change.
Once again, the race change costs 3000 crowns which is not free... nothing is free here, you're trying to tell me those 3000 crowns shouldn't cover a cross faction race change. Considering it is 3000 crowns each time, players who bought Cross faction races are not losing out on anything so long as people who haven't bought it have to buy a Race Change token for 3000 crowns to get cross faction races.
People who have the Explorer Pack or the Imperial Edition paid 1900 Crowns for each of them. Then, they will have to pay 3000 more Crowns if they want to change their character race. That's a total of 4900 Crowns (considering that if you are changing to Imperial you need the Imperial Edition, and if you change for any other race outside your faction you need the Explorer Pack, but you will never need both for changing to another race).
Why exactly do you think you should pay 3000 while they pay a total of 4900?Ep1kMalware wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »Look at all the people saying "Ohh i pay you no get" Shutup please
Race change for 1 char costs more then the adventure pack so uh if they want to let them only if they purchase a token
People with the adventure pack have to pay the same price for a race change.
Right. But those people can also roll out a new toon in 6hrs and be maxed level in any faction. Race change looks like something onlt very very desperate people will do. The financial cost is extraordinary, why make it worse.
it baffles me how zeni,ax can do something legitamately aweso,e and people ragw for weeks about it. A valid point has been brought up and everyome is against it? ***'n'hell???
if race change was same price or lower than adventurer's pack I'd be on your side all the way. But until /unless they decrease that price by a significant margin I can't see any reason it should not include any alliance.
Infact, I'd wager that if they shrunk the price to 1500 crowns they'd sell more of both adventurer packs/race changes.
that way I could just keep changimg race on my nb to wood elf in pvp and high elf for vmsa. At the current cost (I already have adventurer's pack, so thats covered) I wont even buy 1 race change.
How about achievements? Alliance war rank? What if you want to change the race of the character who is your master crafter, with all the traits researched? How about riding skill, which someone who is changing races won't level again but someone making a new character will?
People who own the Any Race, Any Alliance Perk have the same potential need to change their race of those who do not own it.
It is not a valid point. The point brought up is empirically wrong. It is someone who wants to pay less than someone else for the same feature, as demonstrated by most people in this thread, while claiming they would pay more. It is simply wrong.Edited by Abeille on July 28, 2016 1:23PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
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✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »I know the Imperial DLC is what gives you access to all races and imperial Race I believe, but why not let players change to ANY race if they're paying MORE than the actual DLC costs to change their race. I tried in the PTS when it first went up and noticed this issue so I don't know if it was chanegd.
Personally, I wont change any of my races if I can't switch to say Khajiit on my nord stamplar. I'm also not going to pay for the imperial DLC just to change my race to the race I want AFTER paying 3000 or so crowns just to change the race to begin with. Please tell me everyone agrees on this issue, there is no reason to force players to buy the DLC ontop of their race change just to pick the race they actually want to change to.
"any race, any alliance" was free as long as you preordered on console. The Imperial race is only available with the "Imperial Edition". Both of which can be purchased in crown store now for minimal cost. Why would they tell one group of people they had to pay for something and then turn around and just give it away to another group? They will (and should) keep it as an extra feature available for extra cost.Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »
Wanna elaborate? The content pricing should include cross faction races for just that one payment of race change.
I'm factually correct when I say it would not be "free", the change race is twice the price as the dlc for cross faction races, so it's quite justifiable and reasonable to make the sound argument that we should have cross faction races included onto this race change content.
I don't need to elaborate. I already made my case before DaveMoeDee made his post, a post that ignored that you'd already been completely debunked.
But I'll restate the case, since ignoring proof of our incorrectness seems to be a growing movement in today's world: If Person X paid for "Any Race, Any Alliance" and Person Y did not and race change costs the same for both players, and if Player Y gets to use "Any Race, Any Alliance," then Player Y is getting what Player X purchased for free. That's not opinion. That's math.
That doesn't mean it isn't well within ZOS' rights to give it to Player Y for free. That doesn't mean the cost of Race Change isn't high enough to include "Any Race, Any Alliance" in the package. That doesn't mean it's not perfectly fair to give it to Y for free.
All it means is that if X and Y purchase the same package for the same price and Y gets something X already paid for, Y is getting something for free. How much the package costs is irrelevant. Fairness is irrelevant. It's math. It's not an arguable point. It's an issue of fact, not opinion. What you want to be true is false.
(Mind you, I think you have a perfectly good case to make that what you want is fair. But that's not the case you're making. You're making the case that what you want is not getting something for free. That's simply false, and frankly beside the point. Instead, you should argue that you're paying so much you deserve it for free. Yeah, you'll *** off a lot of people who'll disagree with you, but at least you'll be debating opinions, not claiming a falsehood as fact.)Smasherx74 wrote: »No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
13 of you don't understand the definition of free I'm guessing.
You're paying more than the DLC costs to race change.Smasherx74 wrote: »
So in that case for us who bought the pack earlier, we will be reimbursed the crowns then when buying a race change?
Otherwise we have paid for something that you want for free.
So in that case then for us who didn't buy the Imperial DLC specifically and we want to change our race to Khajiit from Nord, we have to stack another 1000-2000 crowns on top of that 3000 crown purchase to get the race change. Makes sense, I'm not paying for either in that case.
That is really up to you but I am sure a lot of people will pay for it. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, if you want it just buy it like everyone else had to or will have to. And you don't have to buy a race change, you could just buy any race any alliance and make new character. But if you just want to take the easy way it will cost a little more.
I don't want to have to pay for a bundle addition of ESO just to change my race to an optimal race for a build...
Then you don't want to play ESO. This is the way it has been since launch. In fact until the Adventurer's Pack was released with the Crown Store it was even worse. Now you want to side-step purchases that others have had to make to facilitate your use of a totally optional mechanic? No thanks.
I don't get how you can't see this:
1: they altered racial passives, so whatever race you wete, or picked for that reason, is probably gone.
2: it cost MORE than adventurer's pack to begin with, and only applies to 1 character. You don't get to bypass ***. Seriously go compare the teo prices and tell me you thought this through.
1: Of course they did. But what race you were, and and whether you should get ARAA for free have nothing whatever to do with each other. All this answers is whether you might want to change your race at all or not.
2: Are you proposing that people who already have the Explorer's or Adventurer's Packs should have a discount on race change tokens. These people have already paid money for what you want to see incorporated in the 3000 crowns the race change token will cost. If want ARAA included, but won't give them a discount then you are the one who hasn't thought this through. Toyota will not give me a free Corolla if I buy a Lexus. In the same way ZOS shouldn't give out ARAA just because you buy a race change token. End of.4 -
jkolb2030✭✭✭Player 1 - Spends 1900 crowns on ARAA and rolls a magicka Altmer DK in Ebonheart Pact.. Realizes he wants to "optimize" his build and switch to stamina so he spends 3000 crowns to race change - he picks Redguards because he has ARAA..
His issue : Made a character he didnt enjoy in the end game,so he wants to switch it up and save all his hard earned progress.
Total investment : 4900 Crowns
Player 2 - Does not want to spend 1900 crowns on ARAA so rolls a magicka Dunmer DK in Ebonheart Pact.. Realizes he wants to "optimize" his build and switch to stamina so he spends 3000 crowns - his choices are Nord, Dunmer, Argonian.
His Issue : Made a character he doesn't enjoy in end game, wants to switch it up and save hard earned progress, however he can only choose from his factions races.
Total Investment : 3000 Crowns
How does this scream "I Pay 3000 Crowns I BETTER be getting a free ARAA!!"
How old are you guys screaming "Race change costs MORE than ARAA so it should be free!!"
Everyone is paying the same price for everything in this game... No entitlement, no freebies.. Same price. Every player. All the time. Every time.
You have no argument here - if you want ARAA then buy it. If you wanted a super sweet optimal build from the get go in your preferred alliance you would have bought it LONG ago, because redguard has been the stamina meta for a while now..Edited by jkolb2030 on July 28, 2016 1:32PM10 -
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✭Player 1 - Spends 1900 crowns on ARAA and rolls a magicka Altmer DK in Ebonheart Pact.. Realizes he wants to "optimize" his build and switch to stamina so he spends 3000 crowns to race change - he picks Redguards because he has ARAA..
His issue : Made a character he didnt enjoy in the end game,so he wants to switch it up and save all his hard earned progress.
Total investment : 4900 Crowns
Player 2 - Does not want to spend 1900 crowns on ARAA so rolls a magicka Dunmer DK in Ebonheart Pact.. Realizes he wants to "optimize" his build and switch to stamina so he spends 3000 crowns - his choices are Nord, Dunmer, Argonian.
His Issue : Made a character he doesn't enjoy in end game, wants to switch it up and save hard earned progress, however he can only choose from his factions races.
Total Investment : 3000 Crowns
How does this scream "I Pay 3000 Crowns I BETTER be getting a free ARAA!!"
How old are you guys screaming "Race change costs MORE than ARAA so it should be free!!"
Everyone is paying the same price for everything in this game... No entitlement, no freebies.. Same price. Every player. All the time. Every time.
You have no argument here - if you want ARAA then buy it. If you wanted a super sweet optimal build from the get go in your preferred alliance you would have bought it LONG ago, because redguard has been the stamina meta for a while now..
This is a plain as it gets. If they cant understand this then I'm inclined to think they're trolling. I UNDERSTAND where they're coming from. The price is so high that they want more. But Zos owns it, for better/worse they choose the price. You don't haggle,and I doubt zos will do you a "solid" and give you an extra cherry. Zos would have to weigh the outrage of everyone who DID buy everything vs those who won't spend the extra on the dlc.3 -
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✭Smasherx74 wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Smasherx74 wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »
Wanna elaborate? The content pricing should include cross faction races for just that one payment of race change.
I'm factually correct when I say it would not be "free", the change race is twice the price as the dlc for cross faction races, so it's quite justifiable and reasonable to make the sound argument that we should have cross faction races included onto this race change content.
I don't need to elaborate. I already made my case before DaveMoeDee made his post, a post that ignored that you'd already been completely debunked.
But I'll restate the case, since ignoring proof of our incorrectness seems to be a growing movement in today's world: If Person X paid for "Any Race, Any Alliance" and Person Y did not and race change costs the same for both players, and if Player Y gets to use "Any Race, Any Alliance," then Player Y is getting what Player X purchased for free. That's not opinion. That's math.
That doesn't mean it isn't well within ZOS' rights to give it to Player Y for free. That doesn't mean the cost of Race Change isn't high enough to include "Any Race, Any Alliance" in the package. That doesn't mean it's not perfectly fair to give it to Y for free.
All it means is that if X and Y purchase the same package for the same price and Y gets something X already paid for, Y is getting something for free. How much the package costs is irrelevant. Fairness is irrelevant. It's math. It's not an arguable point. It's an issue of fact, not opinion. What you want to be true is false.
(Mind you, I think you have a perfectly good case to make that what you want is fair. But that's not the case you're making. You're making the case that what you want is not getting something for free. That's simply false, and frankly beside the point. Instead, you should argue that you're paying so much you deserve it for free. Yeah, you'll *** off a lot of people who'll disagree with you, but at least you'll be debating opinions, not claiming a falsehood as fact.)Smasherx74 wrote: »No. I didn't buy any race any alliance so it could be freely given out to others
13 of you don't understand the definition of free I'm guessing.
You're paying more than the DLC costs to race change.Smasherx74 wrote: »
So in that case for us who bought the pack earlier, we will be reimbursed the crowns then when buying a race change?
Otherwise we have paid for something that you want for free.
So in that case then for us who didn't buy the Imperial DLC specifically and we want to change our race to Khajiit from Nord, we have to stack another 1000-2000 crowns on top of that 3000 crown purchase to get the race change. Makes sense, I'm not paying for either in that case.
That is really up to you but I am sure a lot of people will pay for it. I don't understand what all the fuss is about, if you want it just buy it like everyone else had to or will have to. And you don't have to buy a race change, you could just buy any race any alliance and make new character. But if you just want to take the easy way it will cost a little more.
I don't want to have to pay for a bundle addition of ESO just to change my race to an optimal race for a build...
Why not? If you get ARAA, next time you make a character you'll be able to pick the "optimal" race from the get-go rather than having to pay for a race change after you create them, no? You'll save money in the long run.
IF I play the game casually and want to optimize my build on my only character I should be able to.
You are able to.
You just have to pay like everybody. As people already said many times:GivvumBoane wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »Look at all the people saying "Ohh i pay you no get" Shutup please
Race change for 1 char costs more then the adventure pack so uh if they want to let them only if they purchase a token
People with the adventure pack have to pay the same price for a race change.
Once again, the race change costs 3000 crowns which is not free... nothing is free here, you're trying to tell me those 3000 crowns shouldn't cover a cross faction race change. Considering it is 3000 crowns each time, players who bought Cross faction races are not losing out on anything so long as people who haven't bought it have to buy a Race Change token for 3000 crowns to get cross faction races.
People who have the Explorer Pack or the Imperial Edition paid 1900 Crowns for each of them. Then, they will have to pay 3000 more Crowns if they want to change their character race. That's a total of 4900 Crowns (considering that if you are changing to Imperial you need the Imperial Edition, and if you change for any other race outside your faction you need the Explorer Pack, but you will never need both for changing to another race).
Why exactly do you think you should pay 3000 while they pay a total of 4900?Ep1kMalware wrote: »GivvumBoane wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »Look at all the people saying "Ohh i pay you no get" Shutup please
Race change for 1 char costs more then the adventure pack so uh if they want to let them only if they purchase a token
People with the adventure pack have to pay the same price for a race change.
Right. But those people can also roll out a new toon in 6hrs and be maxed level in any faction. Race change looks like something onlt very very desperate people will do. The financial cost is extraordinary, why make it worse.
it baffles me how zeni,ax can do something legitamately aweso,e and people ragw for weeks about it. A valid point has been brought up and everyome is against it? ***'n'hell???
if race change was same price or lower than adventurer's pack I'd be on your side all the way. But until /unless they decrease that price by a significant margin I can't see any reason it should not include any alliance.
Infact, I'd wager that if they shrunk the price to 1500 crowns they'd sell more of both adventurer packs/race changes.
that way I could just keep changimg race on my nb to wood elf in pvp and high elf for vmsa. At the current cost (I already have adventurer's pack, so thats covered) I wont even buy 1 race change.
How about achievements? Alliance war rank? What if you want to change the race of the character who is your master crafter, with all the traits researched? How about riding skill, which someone who is changing races won't level again but someone making a new character will?
People who own the Any Race, Any Alliance Perk have the same potential need to change their race of those who do not own it.
It is not a valid point. The point brought up is empirically wrong. It is someone who wants to pay less than someone else for the same feature, as demonstrated by most people in this thread, while claiming they would pay more. It is simply wrong.
They have the ability to CREATE Cross faction characters, everyone who has not paid for the cross faction bundles will have to pay that 3000 crowns to change their characters race cross faction, basically making more profit for zenimax. Those who have the ability to CREATE cross faction characters are not losing out on anything besides the exclusion of them being the only ones able to change their race to cross faction.
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