Dungeon finder etiquette

Myerscod

Not meaning to beat the dead horse but PLEASE can people start picking the role they are actually going to carry out. I'm not brilliant at this game. I play it to enjoy it, not min-max. I know most dungeons don't need a tank but hey, I enjoy being a tank.

I'm a tank, and I select a tank..
My friend is a healer and she selects healer.

The 2 characters we were grouped with were tanks, but selected damage dealer...

Has anyone tried to kill bloodspawn with 3 tanks?

Like seriously, don't do it...

In the end we both got punished because the leader disbanded the group, then sent us a message saying we were rubbish and I shouldn't have been tanking because he was...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom would it at all be possible when selecting dungeon finder that it forces you to re-select your role prior to joining the queue??

rhapsodious

Wait, these were tanks queueing as DPS and not the other way around?

Color me surprised.

In any case, they're jabronis for not queueing as what they're specced for. They probably would have gotten a quick group queueing correctly, anyway.

DUTCH_REAPER

So many people play this game thinking they can use any skills they want and any gear they want and be effective. Scrubs like that are why dungs get nerfd

idk

When the group funded pops it displays on the screen the role you have. Anyone can be setup to do more than one role. I have tanks that can dps and all my magika characters can heal.

If you only have tank selected they obviously got the pop for dps. Some players are just that way. Oblivious and could care less.

DenMoria

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

So many people play this game thinking they can use any skills they want and any gear they want and be effective. Scrubs like that are why dungs get nerfd

And this is the exact attitude that keeps me from grouping and continuing past level 50.

I DO NOT want to play a cookie-cutter, just-like-everybody-else, character. What's the point?

I can contribute as either a DPS or a healer (don't play tanks, never figured out how!) using whatever gear and skill-set that I want, probably just as well as you and not be what you expect and what is "acceptable". I'm not chasing achievements or trophies or any of that guff.

It's these "Do it our way" players that end this game for many more casual players quickly.

I enjoy ESO, but there are reasons why I don't want to become part of the "in" crowd.

I agree that you shouldn't put yourself in as a tank if you're dps or vice versa or as a healer if your a dps (unless, of course you are dps as well as a healer and intend to use your healer abilities).

I play strong characters that run just fine in PVE w/out traditional or expected builds by using the mechanics unexpectedly and i do just fine in PvP because I do things that others don't expect. Sure I'll never be top tier, but I'm happy with my game and that is all that matters.

Khaos_Bane

What are you talking about? I heal just fine with my DPS built Sorc in all 4 man group content. Equip a resto staff and you are good to go. But then again, I know how to heal and what gear to wear.

Pepper8Jack

DenMoria wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

So many people play this game thinking they can use any skills they want and any gear they want and be effective. Scrubs like that are why dungs get nerfd

And this is the exact attitude that keeps me from grouping and continuing past level 50.

I DO NOT want to play a cookie-cutter, just-like-everybody-else, character. What's the point?

I can contribute as either a DPS or a healer (don't play tanks, never figured out how!) using whatever gear and skill-set that I want, probably just as well as you and not be what you expect and what is "acceptable". I'm not chasing achievements or trophies or any of that guff.

It's these "Do it our way" players that end this game for many more casual players quickly.

I enjoy ESO, but there are reasons why I don't want to become part of the "in" crowd.

I agree that you shouldn't put yourself in as a tank if you're dps or vice versa or as a healer if your a dps (unless, of course you are dps as well as a healer and intend to use your healer abilities).

I play strong characters that run just fine in PVE w/out traditional or expected builds by using the mechanics unexpectedly and i do just fine in PvP because I do things that others don't expect. Sure I'll never be top tier, but I'm happy with my game and that is all that matters.

The point you make is absolutely fine, to an extent. No one is saying you need to run julianos to be a Magicka dps, but if you're hitting like a wet noodle then your ability to contribute to the group in your intended role is nearly eliminated.

There's a distinct difference between being creative and being ineffective. As long as that line is never crossed, you could run whatever gear setup you felt like and I wouldn't care because you're still able to do your job.

Though as a warning, I recommend not using the open world PvE mobs as a metric for your damage output, as they do have significantly less (I believe 1/3 or 1/4 but not sure) health than the mobs of a veteran dungeon would have.

DenMoria

Pepper8Jack wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

So many people play this game thinking they can use any skills they want and any gear they want and be effective. Scrubs like that are why dungs get nerfd

And this is the exact attitude that keeps me from grouping and continuing past level 50.

I DO NOT want to play a cookie-cutter, just-like-everybody-else, character. What's the point?

I can contribute as either a DPS or a healer (don't play tanks, never figured out how!) using whatever gear and skill-set that I want, probably just as well as you and not be what you expect and what is "acceptable". I'm not chasing achievements or trophies or any of that guff.

It's these "Do it our way" players that end this game for many more casual players quickly.

I enjoy ESO, but there are reasons why I don't want to become part of the "in" crowd.

I agree that you shouldn't put yourself in as a tank if you're dps or vice versa or as a healer if your a dps (unless, of course you are dps as well as a healer and intend to use your healer abilities).

I play strong characters that run just fine in PVE w/out traditional or expected builds by using the mechanics unexpectedly and i do just fine in PvP because I do things that others don't expect. Sure I'll never be top tier, but I'm happy with my game and that is all that matters.

The point you make is absolutely fine, to an extent. No one is saying you need to run julianos to be a Magicka dps, but if you're hitting like a wet noodle then your ability to contribute to the group in your intended role is nearly eliminated.

There's a distinct difference between being creative and being ineffective. As long as that line is never crossed, you could run whatever gear setup you felt like and I wouldn't care because you're still able to do your job.

Though as a warning, I recommend not using the open world PvE mobs as a metric for your damage output, as they do have significantly less (I believe 1/3 or 1/4 but not sure) health than the mobs of a veteran dungeon would have.

You are absolutely right. If you are running as dps, the least you can do is actually deal dps! Unfortunately, the straight julianos is what you're judged on. Still - if you're going in a dps, you'd better be able to provide it, just as, if you heal - actually heal for goodness sake!

I do agree that PvE and PvP are totally different things. Frankly, if I'm going in to PvP, I rework my bars. You simply have to. It's a different animal completely. Mobs, in generally, are relatively predictable and don't require a whole lot of flexibility or creativity. PvP? Exactly the opposite.

Zerok

Myerscod wrote: »

I'm a tank, and I select a tank..
My friend is a healer and she selects healer.

The 2 characters we were grouped with were tanks, but selected damage dealer...

Has anyone tried to kill bloodspawn with 3 tanks?

Like seriously, don't do it...

Well, most tanks that also queue as DPS can swap some gear and skills to get decent DPS (15k+). The only thing that will not be optimized for DPS is the champion points.

With my stamDK tank, I basically have to swap 7 pieces and I'm good to go as a DPS.

In the end we both got punished because the leader disbanded the group, then sent us a message saying we were rubbish and I shouldn't have been tanking because he was...

Here's the real issue IMHO.

DUTCH_REAPER

DenMoria wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

So many people play this game thinking they can use any skills they want and any gear they want and be effective. Scrubs like that are why dungs get nerfd

And this is the exact attitude that keeps me from grouping and continuing past level 50.

I DO NOT want to play a cookie-cutter, just-like-everybody-else, character. What's the point?

I can contribute as either a DPS or a healer (don't play tanks, never figured out how!) using whatever gear and skill-set that I want, probably just as well as you and not be what you expect and what is "acceptable". I'm not chasing achievements or trophies or any of that guff.

It's these "Do it our way" players that end this game for many more casual players quickly.

I enjoy ESO, but there are reasons why I don't want to become part of the "in" crowd.

I agree that you shouldn't put yourself in as a tank if you're dps or vice versa or as a healer if your a dps (unless, of course you are dps as well as a healer and intend to use your healer abilities).

I play strong characters that run just fine in PVE w/out traditional or expected builds by using the mechanics unexpectedly and i do just fine in PvP because I do things that others don't expect. Sure I'll never be top tier, but I'm happy with my game and that is all that matters.

Lol "cookie cutter build"? There are only so many sets of gear/mundus that actually provide the highest contribution to dps. Hahahaha don't be mad at me because I call it like it is. I never said you have to slot this or that in this thread. But I'd be lying if I told you I never joined in a group where a tank didn't slot a single taunt and a magic dps was using weapon skills you'd think I was lying. But no those players are out there. They don't want help they don't care what advice you have to offer. In their mind it's their game and they will play it how they want regardless of what you have to offer would truly take them to the next level. Those kinds of players are out there and they could care less. They are scrubs in my eyes. If that makes me an elitist prick. Meh. Okay. But I have taken my share of newbies into dungeons and taught them. I've trained guildies up in trials and pledges. So my attitude is a reflection of sucky baby players who roll into dungeons thinking they are the shiznit and blame others for there shortcomings. Hence they are scrubs. They are also the reason dungs and trials get nerfd.

Elsonso

Now, were these players who had tanks, and knew they had tanks, but chose damage instead?

Or were these players who were damage, thought they were damage, but were outfitted like the OP would expect a tank to be so they were labeled as tank by the OP?

DenMoria

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

So many people play this game thinking they can use any skills they want and any gear they want and be effective. Scrubs like that are why dungs get nerfd

And this is the exact attitude that keeps me from grouping and continuing past level 50.

I DO NOT want to play a cookie-cutter, just-like-everybody-else, character. What's the point?

I can contribute as either a DPS or a healer (don't play tanks, never figured out how!) using whatever gear and skill-set that I want, probably just as well as you and not be what you expect and what is "acceptable". I'm not chasing achievements or trophies or any of that guff.

It's these "Do it our way" players that end this game for many more casual players quickly.

I enjoy ESO, but there are reasons why I don't want to become part of the "in" crowd.

I agree that you shouldn't put yourself in as a tank if you're dps or vice versa or as a healer if your a dps (unless, of course you are dps as well as a healer and intend to use your healer abilities).

I play strong characters that run just fine in PVE w/out traditional or expected builds by using the mechanics unexpectedly and i do just fine in PvP because I do things that others don't expect. Sure I'll never be top tier, but I'm happy with my game and that is all that matters.

Lol "cookie cutter build"? There are only so many sets of gear/mundus that actually provide the highest contribution to dps. Hahahaha don't be mad at me because I call it like it is. I never said you have to slot this or that in this thread. But I'd be lying if I told you I never joined in a group where a tank didn't slot a single taunt and a magic dps was using weapon skills you'd think I was lying. But no those players are out there. They don't want help they don't care what advice you have to offer. In their mind it's their game and they will play it how they want regardless of what you have to offer would truly take them to the next level. Those kinds of players are out there and they could care less. They are scrubs in my eyes. If that makes me an elitist prick. Meh. Okay. But I have taken my share of newbies into dungeons and taught them. I've trained guildies up in trials and pledges. So my attitude is a reflection of sucky baby players who roll into dungeons thinking they are the shiznit and blame others for there shortcomings. Hence they are scrubs. They are also the reason dungs and trials get nerfd.

Can't disagree with you. Gear and mundus are very important (although you don't have to always have the exact combo in order to accomplish the goal), but you are right. No player (particularly new player) should feel like they know everything and roll in to a dungeon and then feel put-upon because they're being criticized. Learning. That's what it's about. If you don't want to use the exact combo that the teacher tells you to, that's fine, but, at least make an effort to be able to accomplish what's expected of you.

Some leaders are terribly elitist, but, form my experience, not the majority. If you can do what's needed then you're excepted. If not, either learn from your error or don't think that you won't get criticized.

DUTCH_REAPER

DenMoria wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

So many people play this game thinking they can use any skills they want and any gear they want and be effective. Scrubs like that are why dungs get nerfd

And this is the exact attitude that keeps me from grouping and continuing past level 50.

I DO NOT want to play a cookie-cutter, just-like-everybody-else, character. What's the point?

I can contribute as either a DPS or a healer (don't play tanks, never figured out how!) using whatever gear and skill-set that I want, probably just as well as you and not be what you expect and what is "acceptable". I'm not chasing achievements or trophies or any of that guff.

It's these "Do it our way" players that end this game for many more casual players quickly.

I enjoy ESO, but there are reasons why I don't want to become part of the "in" crowd.

I agree that you shouldn't put yourself in as a tank if you're dps or vice versa or as a healer if your a dps (unless, of course you are dps as well as a healer and intend to use your healer abilities).

I play strong characters that run just fine in PVE w/out traditional or expected builds by using the mechanics unexpectedly and i do just fine in PvP because I do things that others don't expect. Sure I'll never be top tier, but I'm happy with my game and that is all that matters.

Lol "cookie cutter build"? There are only so many sets of gear/mundus that actually provide the highest contribution to dps. Hahahaha don't be mad at me because I call it like it is. I never said you have to slot this or that in this thread. But I'd be lying if I told you I never joined in a group where a tank didn't slot a single taunt and a magic dps was using weapon skills you'd think I was lying. But no those players are out there. They don't want help they don't care what advice you have to offer. In their mind it's their game and they will play it how they want regardless of what you have to offer would truly take them to the next level. Those kinds of players are out there and they could care less. They are scrubs in my eyes. If that makes me an elitist prick. Meh. Okay. But I have taken my share of newbies into dungeons and taught them. I've trained guildies up in trials and pledges. So my attitude is a reflection of sucky baby players who roll into dungeons thinking they are the shiznit and blame others for there shortcomings. Hence they are scrubs. They are also the reason dungs and trials get nerfd.

Can't disagree with you. Gear and mundus are very important (although you don't have to always have the exact combo in order to accomplish the goal), but you are right. No player (particularly new player) should feel like they know everything and roll in to a dungeon and then feel put-upon because they're being criticized. Learning. That's what it's about. If you don't want to use the exact combo that the teacher tells you to, that's fine, but, at least make an effort to be able to accomplish what's expected of you.

Some leaders are terribly elitist, but, form my experience, not the majority. If you can do what's needed then you're excepted. If not, either learn from your error or don't think that you won't get criticized.

So true. If the teacher comes at the guy disrespectful he won't get anywhere. Treat people like you want to be treated. Maybe the guy genuinely didn't know? Maybe he had been told bad gouge? Heck we have all been there at some point or another.

Myerscod

lordrichter wrote: »

Now, were these players who had tanks, and knew they had tanks, but chose damage instead?

Or were these players who were damage, thought they were damage, but were outfitted like the OP would expect a tank to be so they were labeled as tank by the OP?

No, they were tanks slotted as dps. They confirmed this in their post failed dungeon messages to me saying they were the tanks and why was I tanking.

The_Lex

rhapsodious wrote: »

Wait, these were tanks queueing as DPS and not the other way around?

Color me surprised.

In any case, they're jabronis for not queueing as what they're specced for. They probably would have gotten a quick group queueing correctly, anyway.

I give you an "awesome" for the proper use of "Jabroni."

SolarCat02

Myerscod wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Now, were these players who had tanks, and knew they had tanks, but chose damage instead?

Or were these players who were damage, thought they were damage, but were outfitted like the OP would expect a tank to be so they were labeled as tank by the OP?

No, they were tanks slotted as dps. They confirmed this in their post failed dungeon messages to me saying they were the tanks and why was I tanking.

Erm. Hmm.
I have queued for a full PUG as healer/dps before by accident (played dps/backup healer for a guildmate trying out a new healer build and forgot to uncheck the DPS box afterwards), and got an instant queue as dps (yes, confused me, too).

It shows your role in the group list, with the icon next to it, and you can quickly see which role you have assigned to your character by the finder.

So if someone has a role they weren't expecting next to their name, it's their responsibility to either make the changes needed to perform that role or else leave the group, not the group's responsibility to read minds and adjust to that person.

In my example, I started out staying on my full dps bar. (Ended up healer anyway since the healer was a dps trying to avoid the queue times, but that's a different story. Unlike usual, our tank was an actual tank.)

This is the first time I have heard of actual intentional tanks queuing falsely as dps. And two of them in the same group already before you joined? That's ridiculous.

Myerscod

SolarCat02 wrote: »

Myerscod wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Now, were these players who had tanks, and knew they had tanks, but chose damage instead?

Or were these players who were damage, thought they were damage, but were outfitted like the OP would expect a tank to be so they were labeled as tank by the OP?

No, they were tanks slotted as dps. They confirmed this in their post failed dungeon messages to me saying they were the tanks and why was I tanking.

Erm. Hmm.
I have queued for a full PUG as healer/dps before by accident (played dps/backup healer for a guildmate trying out a new healer build and forgot to uncheck the DPS box afterwards), and got an instant queue as dps (yes, confused me, too).

It shows your role in the group list, with the icon next to it, and you can quickly see which role you have assigned to your character by the finder.

So if someone has a role they weren't expecting next to their name, it's their responsibility to either make the changes needed to perform that role or else leave the group, not the group's responsibility to read minds and adjust to that person.

In my example, I started out staying on my full dps bar. (Ended up healer anyway since the healer was a dps trying to avoid the queue times, but that's a different story. Unlike usual, our tank was an actual tank.)

This is the first time I have heard of actual intentional tanks queuing falsely as dps. And two of them in the same group already before you joined? That's ridiculous.

Yes, completely agree. It is ridiculous and it is not the first time this has happened. I'm all for people playing what they want but they should at least, not made but maybe ushered, to slot the role they are capable of doing.

Vangy

Myerscod wrote: »

Not meaning to beat the dead horse but PLEASE can people start picking the role they are actually going to carry out. I'm not brilliant at this game. I play it to enjoy it, not min-max. I know most dungeons don't need a tank but hey, I enjoy being a tank.

I'm a tank, and I select a tank..
My friend is a healer and she selects healer.

The 2 characters we were grouped with were tanks, but selected damage dealer...

Has anyone tried to kill bloodspawn with 3 tanks?

Like seriously, don't do it...

In the end we both got punished because the leader disbanded the group, then sent us a message saying we were rubbish and I shouldn't have been tanking because he was...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom would it at all be possible when selecting dungeon finder that it forces you to re-select your role prior to joining the queue??

No way. Tanks dont queue as DPS. They have insta-queues pretty much when they queue as tanks. No reason to sit in a 40 min queue as DPS. You probably got grouped with special snowflake DD's who wanted to wear heavy armour with 64 pts into magicka and spam snipe or reverb bash for DPS. =X

In short, you got grouped with potatoes and tried to kill bloodspawn with 2 potato DDs.

Ep1kMalware

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

So many people play this game thinking they can use any skills they want and any gear they want and be effective. Scrubs like that are why dungs get nerfd

yeah, and it's always everyi=one elses fault but their own >.<

ArcaneBlue

also, to those who queue with multiple roles selected...
please check everyone's roles when get grouped.
a few weeks ago I queued as a tank (and no other roles selected), got a group for vet EH, and this heavy armoured templar who queued as tank/DPS started using Puncture on every single thing he saw.

TBH I don't know if he wanted to be a tank or dps. all he did was poke, jabjabjabjab, poke, jabjabjabjab, rinse and repeat.
I was the only one who queued as a tank and not any other role, so it was pretty clear (at least to me) that I was supposed to be tanking there.

well, that's why I prefer to run stuff with my guildies

GivvumBoane

rhapsodious wrote: »

Wait, these were tanks queueing as DPS and not the other way around?

Color me surprised.

In any case, they're jabronis for not queueing as what they're specced for. They probably would have gotten a quick group queueing correctly, anyway.

Hahaha......Jabroni

FullBlownBeast

Haha, you guys don't know how *** bad people are in this game. Those guys probably thought they were DPS and just were doing sub 5k DPS. See this *** all the time, just pure garbage players.

Ep1kMalware

FullBlownBeast wrote: »

Haha, you guys don't know how *** bad people are in this game. Those guys probably thought they were DPS and just were doing sub 5k DPS. See this *** all the time, just pure garbage players.

That is primarily becaude they get rewarded for not trying. They get free gear, free everything else, and because they got upset with being kicked they learned from past historu that if they cry about it on the forums, they get what they want.

And now we have penalties/vote to kick.

Bromburak

Made my day, randoms and etiquette.

Ep1kMalware

Meanwhile, went to imperial city for a few minutes (promised I wouldn't). I killed about a doezen blues while Inwas running around. I didn't once get called the n-word over psn. Well, that's a new feature. One of them even invited me to party chat and we made fun of the world boss and setup a friend;y ceasefire as they were questing.

guess there's hope for the group finder after all if hell can freeze over.

KochDerDamonen

DenMoria wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

So many people play this game thinking they can use any skills they want and any gear they want and be effective. Scrubs like that are why dungs get nerfd

And this is the exact attitude that keeps me from grouping and continuing past level 50.

I DO NOT want to play a cookie-cutter, just-like-everybody-else, character. What's the point?

I can contribute as either a DPS or a healer (don't play tanks, never figured out how!) using whatever gear and skill-set that I want, probably just as well as you and not be what you expect and what is "acceptable". I'm not chasing achievements or trophies or any of that guff.

It's these "Do it our way" players that end this game for many more casual players quickly.

I enjoy ESO, but there are reasons why I don't want to become part of the "in" crowd.

I agree that you shouldn't put yourself in as a tank if you're dps or vice versa or as a healer if your a dps (unless, of course you are dps as well as a healer and intend to use your healer abilities).

I play strong characters that run just fine in PVE w/out traditional or expected builds by using the mechanics unexpectedly and i do just fine in PvP because I do things that others don't expect. Sure I'll never be top tier, but I'm happy with my game and that is all that matters.

If you understand that he's talking about players with backwards builds that aren't condusive to the role they claim to fill, then why go on a tirade about your non-meta but effectuual builds used in a fitting role...

Brrrofski

I have no real issues with group finder.

Granted, I get some.... not as experienced players that don't help much, but I'm usually on my sap tank so do my fair share of dps and am completely self reliant.

I know people want to dps their own way, but unfortunately seem things don't work. So if someone is using Kags instead of julianos, no bigger. But if they're in heavy and spamming the same dot over and over (amazing how many templars I've seen spamming vampire's bane), then it's not going to work.

Bromburak

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Meanwhile, went to imperial city for a few minutes (promised I wouldn't). I killed about a doezen blues while Inwas running around. I didn't once get called the n-word over psn. Well, that's a new feature. One of them even invited me to party chat and we made fun of the world boss and setup a friend;y ceasefire as they were questing.

guess there's hope for the group finder after all if hell can freeze over.

guess there's no hope but more cross faction behavior in IC and Cyrodiil.

A dungeon finder that basically merges players of other factions that are actually your enemies in any PvP campaign
is the most ridiculous thing you can imagine happening to a 3 faction PvP game.

"One Tamriel has no impact on Cyrodiil" is the joke of the century.

You guys are obviously playing ESO from PvE perspective only and don't care about PvP.
That's fine but ESO was build on a strong 3 faction PvP concept and "One Tamriel" is the worst breaking change of the original concept.

Gargath

Before queueing for random there should be a screen showing to all players the rules and etiquette text, yes. Then everyone hit "I understand and agree" and queue starts. Then, if you don't follow the rules or change your roles inside, the game kicks you from dungeon or makes other punishing actions appropriately set by devs.
In a perfect world of course .

I already stopped queueing for random players. I have dps, healer and tank characters. With all I queue only with guildies I know they are serious people and won't misbehave. Plenty guilds out there, why queueing with randoms if you can with friends?

Bromburak

Gargath wrote: »

I already stopped queueing for random players. I have dps, healer and tank characters. With all I queue only with guildies I know they are serious people and won't misbehave. Plenty guilds out there, why queueing with randoms if you can with friends?

Agree, keeping the focus on guilds and actually help to keep member activity alive and you will have a lot of fun.

Problem with some randoms is they are in a guild and don't even know why.
Just yesterday I was asking one of them why the heck are you in a guild when I barely see you playing with them.
Why don't you look for people that actually match your play style and actually share your interests in ESO?
Why are you in guilds that have no code or common goals at all.
He was like "Yeah you actually right, but i am kinda lazy bla bla bla"

On top of it many guilds are packed with members that have nothing to give, they just take.
In most guilds this doesn't even have consequences so the "good" members leave or make their own internal groups because there is no reason to share anything with people that act like clumsy leecher.

A guild is a bit more than a new chat window and a bank to grab stuff, they just don't get it.

Myerscod

Bromburak wrote: »

Made my day, randoms and etiquette.

I know right, maybe etiquette was the wrong choice of word... Should have gone with common sense

Don't get me wrong, I usually like playing with randoms. That's how I got into my trial guild and made some good friends who I can group with. I get to teach the randoms the dungeon mechanics and offer tips on where to stand etc but this situation just really got to me that he was in the wrong; but still accused me of causing the group to wipe...

@SnarkyQB I've had this too... I think because a lot of pvp streamers say that light attack -> puncture -> bash is a killer combo for s&b, people think it'll be optimal for pve dps and maybe don't understand that puncture is a taunt. Hopefully the ability role tip being added with "Shadows of the Hist" will help this.

Emphasis on hopefully...