One Tamriel - Immersion

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

Hello there,

a quick question, anyone knows how One Tamriel or to be more specific dropping alliance restrictions in pve is going to be explained?
I think it would be nice if before one could venture into other alliance zones one would have to get a permission from the mages or fighters guild, as they act in all alliances and are impartial to the alliance war. It might be done via a short quest where one would have to acquire ambassador status or something similar (possibly obtain a title).

So, does anyone know? If not would you like to see this kind of immersion quest added to the game?

Thanks & have a nice day...

Smasherx74

I agree, if you're lvl 5 on the PACT, you shouldn't be capable of going to Aldorian on the AD or something just from the start. I agree with the concept of an ambassador title. Something should restrict players from picking one faction then going to do all the other factions quests.

Neirymn

You can tell yourself that the war takes place only in Cyrodiil, around the Imperial City because each alliance wants the imperial throne not just fight each other so there is no point in taking the front in all of the other regions of Tamriel. Some citizens can just be neutral, others can play the card of spying the other alliances like some quests suggest it.

When people from different alliance will disagree or can't stand each other, dueling (More details next year) can add some immersion to that too.

But I'm all for more immersive quests!

Pepper8Jack

Smasherx74 wrote: »

I agree, if you're lvl 5 on the PACT, you shouldn't be capable of going to Aldorian on the AD or something just from the start. I agree with the concept of an ambassador title. Something should restrict players from picking one faction then going to do all the other factions quests.

.... not even close bro

Acrolas

senhavran wrote: »

You can tell yourself that the war takes place only in Cyrodiil

But it doesn't. Covenant invasions propel the early Pact storylines.
Auridon's North Beacon is a Covenant invasion.

But no, let's have Tyrion team up with Dany in the Pact and then wander over mid-season and give Cersei a high five for her recent accomplishments. Well, maybe not a high five...

bedlom

Smasherx74 wrote: »

I agree, if you're lvl 5 on the PACT, you shouldn't be capable of going to Aldorian on the AD or something just from the start. I agree with the concept of an ambassador title. Something should restrict players from picking one faction then going to do all the other factions quests.

No way! The whole point of one Tamriel is that like any other TES title you will be able to go anywhere and create your own story.

Neirymn

Acrolas wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

You can tell yourself that the war takes place only in Cyrodiil

But it doesn't. Covenant invasions propel the early Pact storylines.
Auridon's North Beacon is a Covenant invasion.

But no, let's have Tyrion team up with Dany in the Pact and then wander over mid-season and give Cersei a high five for her recent accomplishments. Well, maybe not a high five...

That's right. ^^ But the main front is in Cyrodiil, every region is not under invasion, they're trying to take the advantage like the AD is trying to find relics in DC to help them win the war but it's all for the imperial throne, that's the main goal, am I right?

And when you create your character, you're forced to choose a faction, that doesn't mean that your character is forced to take a side in the war if he's not interested in it or just doesn't care at all (You don't have to PvP but you can). Some NPC's are neutral, undercover, workers trying to survive, traveling merchants only interested in gold, etc.

Besides, it's not written in your forehead that you suport one or the other side in the war unless you're under the banners of your faction or you're so famous in all of Tamriel that everyone know your face.

That's not because you fight for your faction in Cyrodiil that you are enlisted in every other missions your alliance do, right? And you can still betray them, if you like, no one has to know it was you who helpt the ennemy and maybe you did betray them because you were not ok with what they were doing and how they were doing it.

But I get your point, it's tricky. We do not know all of the details of One Tamriel yet, ZOS may have found a way to solve this particular matter but with some imagination you can pretty much explain everything... if you're not playing a close minded character who wants to blindly kill everyone in the opposite side that is. xD

Forestd16b14_ESO

There is no immersion with one tamerial it is killing ESO lore.

How ever the whole fighters guild and mages guild thing might actually work MIGHT.

Rohamad_Ali

Hmmm maybe they'll put in faction disguises ? IDK .

craybest

I'd love for it to be a lore reason to help immersion, but I am willing to look the other way considering we're getting a lot more freedom while levelling.

Preyfar

I'm hoping Tamriel One adds new quests which help explain things better, perhaps new faction quests in "enemy territory" to help you blend in. I think it'd be interesting if you could get into enemy cities while wearing disguises or something else. I dunno. I hope they do something more to explain the entire free world roaming without merely just unlocking the areas.

Grileenor

What does it help, if some NPC tells some Cadwell silver or gold like story? Meridia did not have a sound reason for it the first time, ZOS won't come up with a good one now as well. Do it yourself. Think of something, which makes your charakter do what s/he does and enjoy the rest of the quests.

RP players come up with the weirdest ideas to play "nice" vampires, "kind and friendly" darkelfs and sith in all kind of games, so you can't tell me a little something like this will keep you from rp-ing throughout the factions.

Ch4mpTW

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

There is no immersion with one tamerial it is killing ESO lore.

How ever the whole fighters guild and mages guild thing might actually work MIGHT.

Exactly. It is killing the lore. And people just don't seem to get it.

Korah_Eaglecry

Technically youre not a citizen of any of the alliances when you first start out. There is no explanation as to where you hail from before Mannimarco takes your soul. So the only thing you can do is make up your own backstory. Personally all of my characters are Mercenaries and Hedge Mages/Knights. So they can go and do as they please.

BlackEar

Gameplay > immersion.

It is a good change

Bonzodog01

For my part, My characters backstories involve them being only loyal to the Mages and Fighters guild, with no real allegiance to any of the Alliances, they are complete mercenaries working for money, and nothing else much. So, they will help each alliance against the other.

My Templar is a Telvanni, hails from morrowind, but as many of you no doubt already know, they chose to stay out of the Pact agreement. She will however do some work for them, but no love lost.

My Khajiit was abandoned on the steps of a Fighters Guild base in Elsweyr as a baby/kitten, and they raised and trained her. She is currently merely exploring, and earning money on the way around.

Fignutz821

I'm not personally into role playing so I could care less about lore and back story, I would rather more time going into fixing gameplay than catering to the role players

Forestd16b14_ESO

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

There is no immersion with one tamerial it is killing ESO lore.

How ever the whole fighters guild and mages guild thing might actually work MIGHT.

Exactly. It is killing the lore. And people just don't seem to get it.

Well half play for the game other half play for lore. I play for both but come on who doesn't love the lore of a game be Elder Scrolls, Dark Souls, Zelda, ad so on.

Like game play wise this will shut up all the players who complain how they can't play with friends of other alliances but lore wise it's just destroying it. But then again from what I understand so far lore wise the Alliance war only lasted 2 years in TES lore and the game has been out for 2 years..... But to fit in lore wise ZoS would have to get rid of the entire AvA concept like getting rid of the current PvP and choosing a Alliance and re-do the entire story and turn Cyrodiil into just one giant open world PvP area and even then before and after the Alliance war the states/province/country what ever you wanna call them they aren't exactly open to the public.

Like sure their were a few different races in different states here and there but they would never be as diverse as they are now during the war.

Daemons_Bane

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

There is no immersion with one tamerial it is killing ESO lore.

Why would I not be able to simply be a person? Why would I have to be insta drafted into faction X's military system, just because I happened to land there when I escaped Cold Harbor?

Why would it ruin Immersion if I simply decided to play an adventurer, not giving a *** about war?

UltimaJoe777

When we gained the ability to play as Imperials it was explained that we as Imperials participating in the Alliance War are renegade. This however, well...

Technically speaking the story we enter is once we leave The Wailing Prison we wash up on a shore. It never mentioned us actually CHOOSING that shore so the faction we choose is actually a gameplay mechanic and we just roll with it. So by all rights we don't actually owe ourselves to the factions because our beef is with Molag Bal, and only in Cyrodiil are we soldiers in the Alliance War. Our goal is not to destroy the enemy factions even then but to become Emperor/Empress. Also if you wanna be technical there is only one Vestige, but there are so many of them in ESO because it's an MMOESG.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

There is no immersion with one tamerial it is killing ESO lore.

Why would I not be able to simply be a person? Why would I have to be insta drafted into faction X's military system, just because I happened to land there when I escaped Cold Harbor?

Why would it ruin Immersion if I simply decided to play an adventurer, not giving a *** about war?

You don't have to that is the thing when you wash up ashore you are free to go any where you like you can only proceed with the story when you level up and you can do that many ways. You have the option of helping said faction.

Take Ebonheart for example you were rescued from some one transporting refugees from Bleakrocks and when you awoke you ask for information and you the player have the option to repay the favor of being rescued by helping them fully evacuate Bleakrocks or go along your marry way the NPC evens says you don't have to.

ESO is like any other TES game we have choices that we can make but unlike other TES games ESO chocies really don't impact the over all story that much

Daemons_Bane

Then why do you say it kills the immersion

Lysette

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Hello there,

a quick question, anyone knows how One Tamriel or to be more specific dropping alliance restrictions in pve is going to be explained?
I think it would be nice if before one could venture into other alliance zones one would have to get a permission from the mages or fighters guild, as they act in all alliances and are impartial to the alliance war. It might be done via a short quest where one would have to acquire ambassador status or something similar (possibly obtain a title).

So, does anyone know? If not would you like to see this kind of immersion quest added to the game?

Thanks & have a nice day...

To me it is enough immersion if the saying would come true "Imagine, there is war, and no one attends"
or like John Lennon put it:

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

Forestd16b14_ESO

Lysette wrote: »

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Hello there,

a quick question, anyone knows how One Tamriel or to be more specific dropping alliance restrictions in pve is going to be explained?
I think it would be nice if before one could venture into other alliance zones one would have to get a permission from the mages or fighters guild, as they act in all alliances and are impartial to the alliance war. It might be done via a short quest where one would have to acquire ambassador status or something similar (possibly obtain a title).

So, does anyone know? If not would you like to see this kind of immersion quest added to the game?

Thanks & have a nice day...

To me it is enough immersion if the saying would come true "Imagine, there is war, and no one attends"
or like John Lennon put it:

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

Many wish that true but reality is there is always gonna be the opposite

Lysette

@Forestd16b14_ESO

Well, One Tamriel is a bit like "f*** the war, we did it all wrong and will fix it as far as we possibly can. We cannot kick out those liking the war, because they paid for the game, but we can just ignore them and open the rest of the world for all and just pretend there is no war going on at all" - and the war is just in that ghetto in Cyrrodil and ignored by the rest of the world.

Seems to work well enough to me.

Daemons_Bane

The war is still there, still going on for those who wants to be soldiers.. we just have more freedom

Lysette

And on topic, I am not for immersive quests necessary to enjoy One Tamriel - to me One Tamriel means "freedom", I can ignore questing and I can ignore the war, if I want, do just those quests, which I like to do and otherwise I can just put on "training" trait gear and explore and kill mobs while I do to progress - the need to quest is removed, I do not have to do that anymore, I can, if I want to, but questing is no longer required.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Not every player is a soldier you know, some players are just adventures who go wherever they want.

starkerealm

josefcifkaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Hello there,

a quick question, anyone knows how One Tamriel or to be more specific dropping alliance restrictions in pve is going to be explained?

It's explained as, "hey, your friend rolled up a character in another faction, and you want to run content together. Now, you don't need to roll up a new character in that faction, you can just wander across the land and help them.

wayfarerx

I think everyone complaining about One Tamriel and immersion is forgetting what we have now when it comes to explaining how we can explore the other factions.

• An undeadish schizophrenic tells you that his extradimensional superpowered friend will bend time and space to send you into the lands of the oppsosing factions to "experience" the near end-of-the-world from their perspective. Or Akatosh is displeased with Molag Bal and pulls out "Yet Another Dragon Break" so that the Vestige can explore all of Tamriel.
• The Three Banners War was mostly confined to Cyrodiil with the exception of a few isolated skirmishes.

Which one hurts your immersion more?

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

To everyone that says the alliance war is limited to Cyrodiil... I don't think so, I finished the quests for every alliance and every alliance often deals with the attacks from opposing factions.

Also, you're not assigned an allegiance simply by being washed on the shore of a certain alliance. Don't forget that you're bound to an alliance by your race choice. The fact that we have the option to create any race in any alliance is a nice perk, but it's in no way supported by the lore. (it's possible for another race to fight for another alliance due to personal reasons, but that would be a rare case, we're talking about masses of players)

This means if you're a nord that decides to go into Aldmeri teritory, you better have a good reason and a proof of your actions or you have a high chance of being caught and accused of being a spy. Followed by torture and death ^^