Templars need a decent CC??

shepardTHEweak

anyone else think this,, im in pvp and being a healer of a group that got soul tethered and prox and vd by 2 nbs i was on my own and i kept getting feared and grasped..i tried to counter act this with spear shards but due to them using shuffle it was miss, miss, miss, miss..so is there a better CC i can use to disable atleast one for a few secs while i either recover or work on 1 nb?..also should shuffle be cut down to 6s or make it 10% miss chance or even make it cos double for the second time using it?.. cos it seems like when some one uses it you cant do anything to them as it constant misses

ScottK1994

Not sure, people are apparently manipulating the malubeth set in PvP(which is why I think gear should be seperate, PvE players get one shotted and PvP have their own manageable set of stats that don't benefit PvE)

Not saying you dont need a CC, just that right now healing Templars seem to be doing well in PvP

There's a PvP thread btw

FullBlownBeast

And what's wrong with javelin or charge?

shepardTHEweak

miss on some one using shuffle or easily dodged..plus with the current state of pvp im often left wandering around with my toppling charge hanging out

susmitds

Templars dont need anything. THey are the most OP class out there right now.

FailSaucePro

Yeah, let's make radiant destruction stun for the duration too. Ez kills on the dodgers amirite?

Phinix1

Just make Blazing Spear stun everything it hits that doesn't currently have CC immunity.

Would be a much needed boon for Templar tanks in PVE as well, who currently rely on the laughable Volcanic Rune or near useless slow for CC.

shepardTHEweak

radient destruction is a execute it dont stun and yeah it can hit some one using shuffle..thats not the point i was making..i wanted to know if there are any better CC's or should templars have a better CC..guess i will get the trolls on with this..oh well a few less than fb..lol

Voxicity

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Phinix1

People have been conditioned to believe RO is still ridiculously OP because it is moderately effective against their current Fengrush 5-sec stamina burst shuffle+roll spam meta.

So, any attempt to discuss Templar changes constructively, even if totally unrelated to RO, will inevitably cause this crowd to become uneasy.

Trolling is the best way to derail a thread and avoid talking about constructive changes to anything but their own flavor of the moment class/build, and especially, to classes/builds that provide an effective counter to their own.

At least, that seems to be the rationale.

Roechacca

I think we are good. We have stuns and a cc root would throw Us over the top with Blazing shield builds.

shepardTHEweak

i see your point with blazing shield but a dedicated healer to a group who dont use blazing shield and is spect to only off DPS with biting jabs deffo needs a root CC

IcyDeadPeople

You mean the javelin, toppling charge or the old "dizzying swing + jab somebody to death while they're on the ground" combo is not strong enough?

Strider_Roshin

susmitds wrote: »

Templars dont need anything. THey are the most OP class out there right now.

Dracane

susmitds wrote: »

Templars dont need anything. THey are the most OP class out there right now.

This

And I think Javelin is a very nice knockback. I think it's one of the most annoying CCs in the game. Maybe it's just that my brain finds knockbacks much more annoying than all other stuns, because it's just an unusual feeling to fly through the air.

KenaPKK

Try building a little tankier or having your group protect you more effectively. Someone is built pretty badly to have you all killed by a VD bomber these days. Prismatics are available to the masses, heavy armor got buffed, and Transmutation is a thing.

Other than that, shards and charge should be enough cc. Try going vamp and slotting mist form. Popping that can buy you several seconds for your group to turn on the nightblades.

Pepper8Jack

FullBlownBeast wrote: »

And what's wrong with javelin or charge?

This. I've played mag and stam temp, both use and used javelin with great success. Nobody, including templars, needs an unblockable and undodgeable stun.

shepardTHEweak

any point in me using a 2H weapon to dizzying swing peeps when i am a magic temp who is dedicated to healing my group?

JinMori

susmitds wrote: »

Templars dont need anything. THey are the most OP class out there right now.

Another post that doesn't say anything, some people say that nightblade is the most op, some say sorc is, some say that stamina dk is the most op, stop with this ***, and put some facts other than just words.

BigBragg

As others have said, look into vampirism, possibly javelin, and perhaps a hardier build for PVP healing. I like vamp passives for pvp on a magplar a lot. Javelin versus shards is a tough call and I would switch based on group set up. Here is an interesting read to check out:

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/vanadium-healplar-build-pvp-vanady-y/

Molag_Crow

susmitds wrote: »

Templars dont need anything. THey are the most OP class out there right now.

Strider_Roshin

JinMori wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Templars dont need anything. THey are the most OP class out there right now.

Another post that doesn't say anything, some people say that nightblade is the most op, some say sorc is, some say that stamina dk is the most op, stop with this ***, and put some facts other than just words.

You make a good point. Here you go:

https://youtu.be/em46ajNfuTU

FullBlownBeast

shepardTHEweak wrote: »

i see your point with blazing shield but a dedicated healer to a group who dont use blazing shield and is spect to only off DPS with biting jabs deffo needs a root CC

Says who? You can already heal people from 1% to 100% in a second what else does a healer need? A cc isn't gonna help you, people focus templars down because they are the second most annoying *** class in the game right behind night blades, plain and simple. And if you are built properly it will still take a group of 3-5 people some time to kill you, a root cc is way to much.

Solution: Tell your group to *** GIT GUD and protect you when you are getting focused.

shepardTHEweak

nbs can heal them selfs from 1% to 100 aswell as heal others,sorcs can do it too and so can Dks..all other classes has 1 root CC,why not templar?

hamgatan

shepardTHEweak wrote: »

anyone else think this,, im in pvp and being a healer of a group that got soul tethered and prox and vd by 2 nbs i was on my own and i kept getting feared and grasped..i tried to counter act this with spear shards but due to them using shuffle it was miss, miss, miss, miss..so is there a better CC i can use to disable atleast one for a few secs while i either recover or work on 1 nb?..also should shuffle be cut down to 6s or make it 10% miss chance or even make it cos double for the second time using it?.. cos it seems like when some one uses it you cant do anything to them as it constant misses

aurora javelin... invigorating drain... aurora javelin... invigorating drain... aurora javelin... invigorating drain...

Cinbri

Phinix1 wrote: »

Just make Blazing Spear stun everything it hits that doesn't currently have CC immunity.

Would be a much needed boon for Templar tanks in PVE as well, who currently rely on the laughable Volcanic Rune or near useless slow for CC.

It will be too OP coz: it is ranged, 8m AoE, that CC one target, apply strongest synnergy, AoE DoT. If it also will become AoE CC, skill will be brokenly OP.
I still dreaming about Blinding Flashes return. After its removal, class lost only AoE CC and any AoE CC should be melee to not being too OP.
But there is 2 other ways of fixing it:
1. Make one of morhps to apply stun though block, like Petrify. ZOS implemented visual of Chains of Light to akatosh priest npc in DB plot campaign, it have same "kneel" animation on enemy so they can grant it to templars.
2. Even easier - do what templar community asked for long time - make Eclipse viable again. So it would reflect any type of damage: magicka,stamina, melee, ranged, dot and probably increase number target cap to 2-3. With such change it will be strong CC once it was before IC nerfs.

leepalmer95

Javelin seems to work fine for me

JinMori

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Templars dont need anything. THey are the most OP class out there right now.

Another post that doesn't say anything, some people say that nightblade is the most op, some say sorc is, some say that stamina dk is the most op, stop with this ***, and put some facts other than just words.

You make a good point. Here you go:

https://youtu.be/em46ajNfuTU

Ok when i saw Killer's blade compared to the other two i was out, first of all, executnier and radiant scale up to 300%+ starting from 50 %, Killer's blade is a flat damage from 25 % so it works in a compleatly different way, also it's not just one ability that makes a setup overpowered, it's a combination of things, yes templars have the best execute, but stamina nightblade have a crazy burst using ambush and surprise attack, templars don't have this, dk have some of the best dots, and so on, also one of the major problem i think are some sets, like malubeth.
it's not one thing that makes a build incredibly powerful, it's a combination of things.

Ep1kMalware

shepardTHEweak wrote: »

anyone else think this,, im in pvp and being a healer of a group that got soul tethered and prox and vd by 2 nbs i was on my own and i kept getting feared and grasped..i tried to counter act this with spear shards but due to them using shuffle it was miss, miss, miss, miss..so is there a better CC i can use to disable atleast one for a few secs while i either recover or work on 1 nb?..also should shuffle be cut down to 6s or make it 10% miss chance or even make it cos double for the second time using it?.. cos it seems like when some one uses it you cant do anything to them as it constant misses

I love my stamina templar dearly, but I must disagree. only 2 classes in the game have a multitarget cc, and for good reason. templars have alot of good perks/buffs but not having a good cc is one of the drawbacks that helps out with balancing.

Forestd16b14_ESO

And DKs need a actual healing spell and execute point being ?

Words of Wrobel " Homogenizing".

Rayya_Blackheart

Mmm... I'mfar from being the best PvP healer but what I usually do is become annoying enough to get focused in a group, lure them out, then out sustain while my allies come take them out. Idk if I'm doing it right but I manage pretty well.