Animation cancelling, Light and heavy attacks delay.

JinMori

I noticed that when you put a light or heavy attack in between every ability many times this light or heavy attacks doesn't fire off, and this didn't happen a few times, it happened way too many times, expecially when using dual wield. Please zeminax if you see this post try to fix this, it's becoming very annoing.
Leave a comment if you think that this is a problem or if it happened to you also.
Have a good day

mdylan2013

JinMori wrote: »

I noticed that when you put a light or heavy attack in between every ability many times this light or heavy attacks doesn't fire off, and this didn't happen a few times, it happened way too many times, expecially when using dual wield. Please zeminax if you see this post try to fix this, it's becoming very annoing.
Leave a comment if you think that this is a problem or if it happened to you also.
Have a good day

What? You mean people can't magically ignore an intended animation and gain an unfair advantage over someone in PVP?

Draxys

mdylan2013 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

I noticed that when you put a light or heavy attack in between every ability many times this light or heavy attacks doesn't fire off, and this didn't happen a few times, it happened way too many times, expecially when using dual wield. Please zeminax if you see this post try to fix this, it's becoming very annoing.
Leave a comment if you think that this is a problem or if it happened to you also.
Have a good day

What? You mean people can't magically ignore an intended animation and gain an unfair advantage over someone in PVP?

It is not possible for an advantage that's available to everyone to be unfair.

I think this is a problem, at least in the way that they implemented it. I find myself locked into animations quite often, as if they got put into a queue. It causes me to be unable to react to situations accordingly and often ends in my death in pvp when I very easily could have survived.

ZombieZig

Im glad, less animation cancellation in pvp means equality.

JinMori

mdylan2013 wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

I noticed that when you put a light or heavy attack in between every ability many times this light or heavy attacks doesn't fire off, and this didn't happen a few times, it happened way too many times, expecially when using dual wield. Please zeminax if you see this post try to fix this, it's becoming very annoing.
Leave a comment if you think that this is a problem or if it happened to you also.
Have a good day

What? You mean people can't magically ignore an intended animation and gain an unfair advantage over someone in PVP?

Here's another one who doesn't wan't to learn a few mechanics (wich are pretty easy i must say) and says that " It must be an exploit since i can't learn how to use it!".
This is one of the few game mechanics that separates the good player's from bad, remove this and the game will become much less interensing, and yes it is a mechanic, zenimax said in one of the past strems that this is NOT considered an exploit, if you don't wanna learn a few mechanics because you don't wan't to that's your problem, but don't try to steal the fun of other people. instead of saying that it's an "unfair" advantage try to learn this yourself, it's pretty easy one you get the hang of it.

ZombieZig

You asked for opinions. Its easy yup. Totally true. Lessons on youtube.

But its all BS. Cmon man. Say it outloud, "animation cancelling" sound legit?

JinMori

ZombieZig wrote: »

You asked for opinions. Its easy yup. Totally true. Lessons on youtube.

But its all BS. Cmon man. Say it outloud, "animation cancelling" sound legit?

Give me an explanation on why it is ***, don't just say it is. i gave you my explanation what is yours?

ZombieZig

Your quick to hop on people that participate in this post if they disagree with you. Drop the hostility asap. This has been discussed since the dawn of this mmos creation. Im old enough to know youll be triggered by anything i type in these spaces. Try to have a better evening and just deal with the changes. The rest of tamriel is moving on.

JinMori

ZombieZig wrote: »

Your quick to hop on people that participate in this post if they disagree with you. Drop the hostility asap. This has been discussed since the dawn of this mmos creation. Im old enough to know youll be triggered by anything i type in these spaces. Try to have a better evening and just deal with the changes. The rest of tamriel is moving on.

Just because i made this post doean't mean i can't have my opinion, and by what you say you say it seems that i offended you in some way, but i don't see in any of my posts offensive behaviour, i just asked an explanation other than just saing it is BS.

ZombieZig

JinMori wrote: »

ZombieZig wrote: »

Your quick to hop on people that participate in this post if they disagree with you. Drop the hostility asap. This has been discussed since the dawn of this mmos creation. Im old enough to know youll be triggered by anything i type in these spaces. Try to have a better evening and just deal with the changes. The rest of tamriel is moving on.

Just because i made this post doean't mean i can't have my opinion, and by what you say you say it seems that i offended you in some way, but i don't see in any of my posts offensive behaviour, i just asked an explanation other than just saing it is BS.

I am not offended. Thank you for your concern. I'm enjoying this very beautiful Friday, cheers. I was born in a Time long before all this butthurt nonsense came into play. I can tell that you're hostile and upset in the mannerisms you use when you responding to people that have replied in this forum topic. Neat hunh?

But alas we are derailing this topic and it will get shut down if it continues like this. I really am adamant that you should try to have a better evening and just deal with the changes.

PurifedBladez

Animation cancelling separates the good from the bad.

JinMori

ZombieZig wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

ZombieZig wrote: »

Your quick to hop on people that participate in this post if they disagree with you. Drop the hostility asap. This has been discussed since the dawn of this mmos creation. Im old enough to know youll be triggered by anything i type in these spaces. Try to have a better evening and just deal with the changes. The rest of tamriel is moving on.

Just because i made this post doean't mean i can't have my opinion, and by what you say you say it seems that i offended you in some way, but i don't see in any of my posts offensive behaviour, i just asked an explanation other than just saing it is BS.

I am not offended. Thank you for your concern. I'm enjoying this very beautiful Friday, cheers. I was born in a Time long before all this butthurt nonsense came into play. I can tell that you're hostile and upset in the mannerisms you use when you responding to people that have replied in this forum topic. Neat hunh?

But alas we are derailing this topic and it will get shut down if it continues like this. I really am adamant that you should try to have a better evening and just deal with the changes.

All right so we won't hear your explanation then,if that's your decision then ok, have a good day.

ZombieZig

JinMori wrote: »

ZombieZig wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

ZombieZig wrote: »

Your quick to hop on people that participate in this post if they disagree with you. Drop the hostility asap. This has been discussed since the dawn of this mmos creation. Im old enough to know youll be triggered by anything i type in these spaces. Try to have a better evening and just deal with the changes. The rest of tamriel is moving on.

Just because i made this post doean't mean i can't have my opinion, and by what you say you say it seems that i offended you in some way, but i don't see in any of my posts offensive behaviour, i just asked an explanation other than just saing it is BS.

I am not offended. Thank you for your concern. I'm enjoying this very beautiful Friday, cheers. I was born in a Time long before all this butthurt nonsense came into play. I can tell that you're hostile and upset in the mannerisms you use when you responding to people that have replied in this forum topic. Neat hunh?

But alas we are derailing this topic and it will get shut down if it continues like this. I really am adamant that you should try to have a better evening and just deal with the changes.

All right so we won't hear your explanation then,if that's your decision then ok, have a good day.

Sorry, nope. zero effort. I do not share your passion regarding this topic.

PurifedBladez

ZombieZig wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

ZombieZig wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

ZombieZig wrote: »

Your quick to hop on people that participate in this post if they disagree with you. Drop the hostility asap. This has been discussed since the dawn of this mmos creation. Im old enough to know youll be triggered by anything i type in these spaces. Try to have a better evening and just deal with the changes. The rest of tamriel is moving on.

Just because i made this post doean't mean i can't have my opinion, and by what you say you say it seems that i offended you in some way, but i don't see in any of my posts offensive behaviour, i just asked an explanation other than just saing it is BS.

I am not offended. Thank you for your concern. I'm enjoying this very beautiful Friday, cheers. I was born in a Time long before all this butthurt nonsense came into play. I can tell that you're hostile and upset in the mannerisms you use when you responding to people that have replied in this forum topic. Neat hunh?

But alas we are derailing this topic and it will get shut down if it continues like this. I really am adamant that you should try to have a better evening and just deal with the changes.

All right so we won't hear your explanation then,if that's your decision then ok, have a good day.

Sorry, nope. zero effort. I do not share your passion regarding this topic.

Then why did you post on the first place. Animation canceling is a confirmed mechanic. And he posted a real issue with animation cancelling yet you come here and try to derail his thread. Your input helped in no way.

ZombieZig

so many macro'd their spellcancelling it was atrocious. Many had issues due to latency changes, oceanic on NA servers etc.

AGAIN! This topic is old. Been discussed SEVERAL times in the past. NOTE how such repeat/old topics get shut down.

You would only think this helped if i agreed with you.

JinMori

You can macro this?

JinMori

I mean the animation cancelling of course

ZombieZig

JinMori wrote: »

I mean the animation cancelling of course

Yes its really easy. I wouldnt doubt that its no longer working because of the anti-cheat engine detection they have running now... at least rumored.

JinMori

Ah it's third party, dammit this is a problem, still i don't think they should remove it, just do an anti cheat. like almost every mmo

ZombieZig

JinMori wrote: »

Ah it's third party, dammit this is a problem, still i don't think they should remove it, just do an anti cheat. like almost every mmo

My playstlye has had to change several time because of nerfs, buffs and mechanic changes. Main argument being "Im Scissors, paper is fine, nerf rock. The arguments we all have and share slowly shape these titles into games we can all enjoy. I know one thing changed. Im sorry that this affects you. Others will feel different. The game will meet us all half way.... *cough* eventually. This is ZoS after all. heh.

Miszou

Cancelling an animation should result in no damage being delivered.

Simple. End of story.

And no, you're not "good" just because you can do it. You're just pushing everyone else out of PvP.

PurifedBladez

Miszou wrote: »

Cancelling an animation should result in no damage being delivered.

Simple. End of story.

And no, you're not "good" just because you can do it. You're just pushing everyone else out of PvP.

They said it was apart of the game.

And if you can't do it or don't care to learn I won't feel bad for you when you lose a fight against someone that has taken the time to learn and be effective.

ZombieZig

PurifedBladez wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

Cancelling an animation should result in no damage being delivered.

Simple. End of story.

And no, you're not "good" just because you can do it. You're just pushing everyone else out of PvP.

They said it was apart of the game.

And if you can't do it or don't care to learn I won't feel bad for you when you lose a fight against someone that has taken the time to learn and be effective.

*Casts Reflect* I wont feel bad for you, when you lose a fight against someone that cant animation cancel because you cant now animation cancel.

^Do you realize how ridiculous these two statements of ours are?

PurifedBladez

ZombieZig wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

Cancelling an animation should result in no damage being delivered.

Simple. End of story.

And no, you're not "good" just because you can do it. You're just pushing everyone else out of PvP.

They said it was apart of the game.

And if you can't do it or don't care to learn I won't feel bad for you when you lose a fight against someone that has taken the time to learn and be effective.

*Casts Reflect* I wont feel bad for you, when you lose a fight against someone that cant animation cancel because you cant now animation cancel.

^Do you realize how ridiculous these two statements of ours are?

Huh? All I said was people that don't want to take the time to learn the mechanics of this game are going to die. Which is true, if you don't learn how to animation cancel then your probably gonna lose. If they removed animation cancelling I'm sure I'd kill the same amount of people just not as fast.. lol. I shouldn't have to worry though since that's not going to happen.

The people that cry about animation cancelling don't have the skill to pull it off or are to lazy to learn..

The only statement that is ridiculous is yours my friend. Lol.

ZombieZig

PurifedBladez wrote: »

ZombieZig wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

Cancelling an animation should result in no damage being delivered.

Simple. End of story.

And no, you're not "good" just because you can do it. You're just pushing everyone else out of PvP.

They said it was apart of the game.

And if you can't do it or don't care to learn I won't feel bad for you when you lose a fight against someone that has taken the time to learn and be effective.

*Casts Reflect* I wont feel bad for you, when you lose a fight against someone that cant animation cancel because you cant now animation cancel.

^Do you realize how ridiculous these two statements of ours are?

Huh? All I said was people that don't want to take the time to learn the mechanics of this game are going to die. Which is true, if you don't learn how to animation cancel then your probably gonna lose. If they removed animation cancelling I'm sure I'd kill the same amount of people just not as fast.. lol. I shouldn't have to worry though since that's not going to happen.

The people that cry about animation cancelling don't have the skill to pull it off or are to lazy to learn..

The only statement that is ridiculous is yours my friend. Lol.

@Miszou hit the nail on the head in as few and small words as possible for you to understand. If that wont knock common sense into you, I'm not going to stand a chance.

PurifedBladez

ZombieZig wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

ZombieZig wrote: »

PurifedBladez wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

Cancelling an animation should result in no damage being delivered.

Simple. End of story.

And no, you're not "good" just because you can do it. You're just pushing everyone else out of PvP.

They said it was apart of the game.

And if you can't do it or don't care to learn I won't feel bad for you when you lose a fight against someone that has taken the time to learn and be effective.

*Casts Reflect* I wont feel bad for you, when you lose a fight against someone that cant animation cancel because you cant now animation cancel.

^Do you realize how ridiculous these two statements of ours are?

Huh? All I said was people that don't want to take the time to learn the mechanics of this game are going to die. Which is true, if you don't learn how to animation cancel then your probably gonna lose. If they removed animation cancelling I'm sure I'd kill the same amount of people just not as fast.. lol. I shouldn't have to worry though since that's not going to happen.

The people that cry about animation cancelling don't have the skill to pull it off or are to lazy to learn..

The only statement that is ridiculous is yours my friend. Lol.

@Miszou hit the nail on the head in as few and small words as possible for you to understand. If that wont knock common sense into you, I'm not going to stand a chance.

And you'll never be at your maximum potential IN this game.. whatever though.


The thread was about something that really is broke thats a confirmed mechanic in this game whether you like it or not.

Ackwalan

Looks like the animation was redone, and lots of people are having trouble with their scripts now.

ZombieZig

^ An intentional redo by ZoS hmm... that might say something @Purifedbladez

And look. No insults in this post, neat-o!

*edited for correct spelling of your name*

TequilaFire

Way too much venom in this thread between a few. imo

Toc de Malsvi

I don't have a problem with removing animation cancelling as long as cancelling a cast actually works. As it is right now you can get stuck in an animation and be unable to do anything while you are killed. I have been stuck in a heavy attack charge and been unable to block, dodgeroll, or use an ability for 2+ seconds and it has gotten me killed.

Animation canceling may have been an unintended combat device but it was embraced by ZOS and was easy to learn and use. Regardless of using it or not combat should be fluid, if I want to cancel a cast to block I should be able to even if it means losing damage.

Draxys

Miszou wrote: »

Cancelling an animation should result in no damage being delivered.

Simple. End of story.

And no, you're not "good" just because you can do it. You're just pushing everyone else out of PvP.

This is not possible due to the effect of the skill happening well before animations finish. That's the whole reason cancelling even works. Try it with a heavy attack on an NPC- it will aggro as your character has fully charged the attack, well before it even hits them. The same thing goes for skill attacks, even instant ones.