Magicka sorc pve/pvp tank

Fellwitch

Could someone please elaborate if it is possible to have such a build? I have seen no posts about it.

I would also prefer to only use sword and board. If I have to I guess I could use resto staff.

Mainly I would like to do pvp I guess.

Thank you

Fellwitch

I forgot- heavy armor would be used.

Thanks

Fellwitch

Judging from the lack of posts about this topic I would venture to say almost no one plays this spec. Heavy armor magicka sorc.

Jsmalls

You may be better off in LA and getting your resistances elsewhere. So I have a build that can be altered for tanking. It's still in development as I test new things. And In all honesty it's completely inferior to a Templar sun shield tank build (which is one of thee most annoying meta's I've come across)

The idea is to stack max magicka (I can sit at 55k magicka with just inner light and bound aegis) Then use your ~17k shield (hardened) and 13k shield (harness or alternatively if your sustain is good go dampen) to work as a Stamina block would. Couple this with stamina and magicka regen jewellery for the immovable skill and the new potions that are made from vitality and sustained healing (I believe it's nightshade, butterfly wings, and beetle scuttle but don't quote me). The downside to this is surge, boundless, and immovable need to be up 100% of the time. And CC's are very very deadly. Also you're capped to incoming damage per second being that of your ward. I've tanked small zergs but if they are putting enough damage down on you there is literally nothing you can do against it.

I'm working on altering this build involving prismatic glyphs and the sturdy trait and very high stamina recovery along with points into block cost reduction star in CPs.

You really can't do any damage with this setup though which is a downside.

Karacule_Fairystar

how about looking into this Permafrost set it's pretty decent I should say.

Dracane

Sorcerer is not a good tank class for pvp.
I play a magicka Sorc tank in pve. But Sorcerer lacks the tools to be a tank in pvp in my opinion.
Sure you can do it, but not as efficent as others can.

If you fully rely on shields, you will have problems with CCs. You will very likely die once you get CCed.
You could work around this with some sets. But then you will loose most of your shield strenght and yea

Lord_Wrath

I use 5pc heavy kagrenacs hope with impen for pvp. I have destro staff and S&B. Aside from willpower set, i use the seducer set and having my S&B out completes the seducer bonuses. This will be your defensive bar of course.

Its not a tank build, but you wont die in 2 hits. Your just gonna miss out on light armors bonus of penetration and crit. All other stats remain on par with light 5 pc.

hrothbern

Fellwitch wrote: »

Could someone please elaborate if it is possible to have such a build? I have seen no posts about it.

I would also prefer to only use sword and board. If I have to I guess I could use resto staff.

Mainly I would like to do pvp I guess.

Thank you

@Fellwitch ,

There are several main concepts to be a very tanky Magicka build as Sorcerer in PVP with HA and S&B on one of your bars.

It all depends on the "role" you want to play in PVP, which is not as defined as in a PVE Raid.

Do you have experience in PVP with other builds ?
What kind of play role do you see for your Sorc build ?

Fellwitch

My main goal in pvp is to be an initiator in small scale pvp and being able to dash around on the front lines if possible in larger scale. Zerg vs zerg I do not get into.

Shaiba

Magicka sorc pve/pvp tank

Fellwitch wrote: »

I have seen no posts about

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/279859/whats-good-crafted-armor-for-tanking-tanking-stat-build-tips-appreciated

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/277117/sorc-tank-build-ideas

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/258574/sorc-tank-questions/p1

Older one but not so outdated :
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/260532/imperial-sorcerer-tank-stam-magicka-need-advice-input

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/256091/magicka-sorc-tanking

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/254582/sourcer-tank-build-advice

Only 3 topics from this month though... Yours is the 4th one
Read these topics there are numerous tips for sorc tank. Hope it'll help.

Mulcibur

Lord_Wrath wrote: »

I use 5pc heavy kagrenacs hope with impen for pvp. I have destro staff and S&B. Aside from willpower set, i use the seducer set and having my S&B out completes the seducer bonuses. This will be your defensive bar of course.

Its not a tank build, but you wont die in 2 hits. Your just gonna miss out on light armors bonus of penetration and crit. All other stats remain on par with light 5 pc.

@Lord_Wrath How do you heal with S&B on mag sorc backbar?

Biro123

Fengrush did a sorc tank build a while back. Try searching for that.. It wasn,'t DK tanky but had a ton of utility/control

Jsmalls

Mulcibur wrote: »

Lord_Wrath wrote: »

I use 5pc heavy kagrenacs hope with impen for pvp. I have destro staff and S&B. Aside from willpower set, i use the seducer set and having my S&B out completes the seducer bonuses. This will be your defensive bar of course.

Its not a tank build, but you wont die in 2 hits. Your just gonna miss out on light armors bonus of penetration and crit. All other stats remain on par with light 5 pc.

@Lord_Wrath How do you heal with S&B on mag sorc backbar?

I run the same weapon setup and I heal with surge and tripots.

Lord_Wrath

Mulcibur wrote: »

Lord_Wrath wrote: »

I use 5pc heavy kagrenacs hope with impen for pvp. I have destro staff and S&B. Aside from willpower set, i use the seducer set and having my S&B out completes the seducer bonuses. This will be your defensive bar of course.

Its not a tank build, but you wont die in 2 hits. Your just gonna miss out on light armors bonus of penetration and crit. All other stats remain on par with light 5 pc.

@Lord_Wrath How do you heal with S&B on mag sorc backbar?

With surge and dark deal. Youll have a hard time if you're solo though.

Biro123

There's an awkward vicious circle with tanky magsorcs in PVP where the class just doesn't work (and it really bugs me)..:

Shields don't scale well with more attackers - so you'd need heavy armour/heals and probably some other defence too.. blocking doesn't synergise well with shields - so maybe a bit of dodgerolling..? But if going heavy and investing a bit in dodging/blocking - shields become much less important - and just become an intermittent boost to survivability rather than the entirety of it. Also your mag will be lower to be able to sustain with heavy and have the stam recov etc... so the shields will be weaker. If it gets to a point where a shield redcuces less damage than 1gcd of attack - then it becomes pointless.

But where would the heals come from..?. Burst heals is obviously from the twilight matriarch... but how do you keep the pet alive? Oh yes, shields... You have to shield the pet that much that you're always shielded yourself so much of the mitigation from blocking/heavy is wasted, and as your shield is weaker - your doing so much more spamming of it - and the cost... without having cost-reduction from light armour.... you can't sustain it. So you go light again.. then you can shield till the cows come home, you can have those burst heals... but oh wait.. they don't scale well with more attackers and you die real quick when they're down - not great for a tank.... So maybe we should try heavy armour...?

Waffennacht

Biro123 wrote: »

There's an awkward vicious circle with tanky magsorcs in PVP where the class just doesn't work (and it really bugs me)..:

Shields don't scale well with more attackers - so you'd need heavy armour/heals and probably some other defence too.. blocking doesn't synergise well with shields - so maybe a bit of dodgerolling..? But if going heavy and investing a bit in dodging/blocking - shields become much less important - and just become an intermittent boost to survivability rather than the entirety of it. Also your mag will be lower to be able to sustain with heavy and have the stam recov etc... so the shields will be weaker. If it gets to a point where a shield redcuces less damage than 1gcd of attack - then it becomes pointless.

But where would the heals come from..?. Burst heals is obviously from the twilight matriarch... but how do you keep the pet alive? Oh yes, shields... You have to shield the pet that much that you're always shielded yourself so much of the mitigation from blocking/heavy is wasted, and as your shield is weaker - your doing so much more spamming of it - and the cost... without having cost-reduction from light armour.... you can't sustain it. So you go light again.. then you can shield till the cows come home, you can have those burst heals... but oh wait.. they don't scale well with more attackers and you die real quick when they're down - not great for a tank.... So maybe we should try heavy armour...?

Heavy armor, Wards, Streak, Conversion...

Check out my Shepherd King build for ideas

superleeds19

Ha ha people make me laugh on here saying nothing will work! If you want to play a sorc tank... play one! They are not ideal but with player skill, they can be deadly in Pvp

I'm currently running a Tanky Stam sorc dps build in pvp at the moment. I use to initiate confrontation in small scale pvp but also to wipe people out 1 on 1 too!

Sets are 5pc knights errant (all heavy impen), 5pc bone pirate tatters (2 medium impen, 3 Jewelry), 1 Kragh, 1 molag kena.

Use sword and board on front bar and 2h on back.

Absolutely wiping people out and it's incredibly tanky!

Waffennacht

superleeds19 wrote: »

Ha ha people make me laugh on here saying nothing will work! If you want to play a sorc tank... play one! They are not ideal but with player skill, they can be deadly in Pvp

I'm currently running a Tanky Stam sorc dps build in pvp at the moment. I use to initiate confrontation in small scale pvp but also to wipe people out 1 on 1 too!

Sets are 5pc knights errant (all heavy impen), 5pc bone pirate tatters (2 medium impen, 3 Jewelry), 1 Kragh, 1 molag kena.

Use sword and board on front bar and 2h on back.

Absolutely wiping people out and it's incredibly tanky!

I'm surprised no tremorscale, as cheesy as it is, it's pretty perfect for your build in PvP

superleeds19

@Waffennacht

Currently farming for that now! Ha ha!