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Cloaks do not Stick to your Legs and Move with them.
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Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭XD I just found this Breton Hoer Costume Armour. A modder made for Skyrim. It looks so good...
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wow.... well this is actually the worst of the three "Hero" costumes.
The other two can look really nice when dyed correctly. I hope the same is true for this one.2 -
Shadowstep2003✭✭✭I'm sorry to everyone who bought the costume but those pictures are extremely hilarious
It is mind boggling to think that as a developer you can look at that and think to yourself that it is just fine. It's unbelievable which leads me to think that it's not the devs fault but management pushing for a deadline or insufficient tools to remedy the problem.
I don't know the amount of work that goes into making costumes, but this creation must've been planned long in advance so I'm going to rule out the deadline excuse. It must just not be possible code-wise or plain unfeasible from a labor standpoint to fix this.
My thought is that this costume stays this way and is never changed. ZOS probably went in accepting that some would be upset and they would deal with the repercussions afterwards.
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Sporvan✭✭✭✭✭Wow the ready stance with weapons drawn makes the cloak stick to your legs as well.... so bad.Edited by Sporvan on July 21, 2016 4:32PM0 -
Enemy-of-Coldharbour✭✭✭✭✭
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✭✭✭✭✭They don't make capes and cloaks for this game. Did you honestly think they'd make a good cloak for this costume?
If they did, people would be shouting for them to add cloaks into the game. If they don't do a good cloak for this, people won't ask.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just don't buy it. If it's unacceptable, which it is, then stop throwing money at crown fluff until they release better quality items.Sweetrolls for all!
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Divinius✭✭✭✭✭
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This.They don't make capes and cloaks for this game. Did you honestly think they'd make a good cloak for this costume?
If they did, people would be shouting for them to add cloaks into the game. If they don't do a good cloak for this, people won't ask.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just don't buy it. If it's unacceptable, which it is, then stop throwing money at crown fluff until they release better quality items.
You know all those forum threads where people ask (demand) that ZOS add cloaks and capes to the game? Usually this gets posted in them:
Yeah, well... now you all see why we keep saying it can't be done. Look what happens.
Edited by Divinius on July 21, 2016 5:02PM2 -
Tiitus✭✭✭✭
This.They don't make capes and cloaks for this game. Did you honestly think they'd make a good cloak for this costume?
If they did, people would be shouting for them to add cloaks into the game. If they don't do a good cloak for this, people won't ask.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just don't buy it. If it's unacceptable, which it is, then stop throwing money at crown fluff until they release better quality items.
You know all those forum threads where people ask (demand) that ZOS add cloaks and capes to the game? Usually this gets posted in them:
Yeah, well... now you all see why we keep saying it can't be done. Look what happens.
it can be done they just chose not to, there is a deference. find it hard to belive they "cant" when the tech is already being used to some degree on the front/back armor flaps of gear.
actually the flaps on the front/back of chest pieces behave exactly as a cloak should behave, copy paste that code to apply to the sholder areas and you have cloak/capes. they do not clip, they respond to wind movement and leg collision.Edited by Tiitus on July 21, 2016 5:27PM1 -
Barbantua✭✭Hey there, I came to complain a bit.
A few days ago I subbed ESO+ for 60 days and got 3k crowns. I was looking forward to the Breton Hero Costume and dreamed how it will perfectly fit my Breton Vampire char.
I've just bought this new costume and... you should see how the expression on my face changed from very happy to totally disappointed in a half-minute, like when you're opening the New Year's gift and instead of promised iPhone you see only a bar of chocolate like "Snickers". That's what I felt when I saw how this costume looks in motion. It's terrible! Totally, absolutely! Inappropriate quality.
I have to admit that I won't wear this costume and Mannimarco's costume is better in 1000 times! Should check the forum BEFORE buying it, not after.
But, to be honest, I'm glad to see how many people agree with me and may be this is our hope that ZOS will listen to us and decide to change something.Edited by Barbantua on July 21, 2016 5:32PM4 -
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it can be done they just chose not to, there is a deference. find it hard to belive they "cant" when the tech is already being used to some degree on the front/back armor flaps of gear.
They can make the capes with good physics and all that. Problem is, when you have more than one player on the screen with a fully framed cape, it turns into a slide show. Devs have told us many times that the capes we want, they can't put in the game because it will cause a slide show. The capes that don't slow the game down to a crawl are not the capes we would want.
It has to do with the Frames that the textures hang on, to make a decent looking and acting cape and cloak requires lots of frame elements to be animated and that is the crux of the problem. Those flappy pad things on the sides of our characters are not cloak like item that requires an intricate frame, that is why they can exist in the game.
This costume just proves the point they have been making all along. I just wonder how it made it to release as the costume is now.
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waterfairy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Anyone expecting the cloak to flow freely on this costume is delusional. Notice how the dragon priest didn't have the tattered cape that it should...capes and the like are beyond ZOS.
IMO they should remove all hip and elbow flaps as they look terrible and work on cloaks and capes.3 -
Tiitus✭✭✭✭
it can be done they just chose not to, there is a deference. find it hard to belive they "cant" when the tech is already being used to some degree on the front/back armor flaps of gear.
They can make the capes with good physics and all that. Problem is, when you have more than one player on the screen with a fully framed cape, it turns into a slide show. Devs have told us many times that the capes we want, they can't put in the game because it will cause a slide show. The capes that don't slow the game down to a crawl are not the capes we would want.
It has to do with the Frames that the textures hang on, to make a decent looking and acting cape and cloak requires lots of frame elements to be animated and that is the crux of the problem. Those flappy pad things on the sides of our characters are not cloak like item that requires an intricate frame, that is why they can exist in the game.
This costume just proves the point they have been making all along. I just wonder how it made it to release as the costume is now.
so you tellin me they made/used an game engine so limited that it cant do what a 10 yr old game can? if so they need to consider a "FFXIV:ARR" approach.
also was not talkin about the flaps on the side i was refering to the ones on the front and back which behave, in a cloak like manner. the ones on the side are more static and rigidEdited by Tiitus on July 21, 2016 6:01PM0 -
Lord_Wrath✭✭✭✭✭Nestor nailed it on the capes.
However, I think whoever designs these crown store items just needs fired. My head is bald and potato looking in that hood, the back side is incredibly bland. There is so much that should go into a costume because its about the looks. Yet nearly every single costume in the store is just awkward, ugly or poor looking.
And they want us to pay 2000 crowns. I wish I could sell a half-wrapped tootsie roll for 50 dollars.1300+ CP | Lørd Wrath | - Sorcerer - Palatine - Grand Master Crafter - 30000 Achievement Points
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it can be done they just chose not to, there is a deference. find it hard to belive they "cant" when the tech is already being used to some degree on the front/back armor flaps of gear.
They can make the capes with good physics and all that. Problem is, when you have more than one player on the screen with a fully framed cape, it turns into a slide show. Devs have told us many times that the capes we want, they can't put in the game because it will cause a slide show. The capes that don't slow the game down to a crawl are not the capes we would want.
It has to do with the Frames that the textures hang on, to make a decent looking and acting cape and cloak requires lots of frame elements to be animated and that is the crux of the problem. Those flappy pad things on the sides of our characters are not cloak like item that requires an intricate frame, that is why they can exist in the game.
This costume just proves the point they have been making all along. I just wonder how it made it to release as the costume is now.
so you tellin me they made/used an game engine so limited that it cant do what a 10 yr old game can? if so they need to consider a "FFXIV:ARR" approach,
If that 10 year old game is WoW, then . . . Well . . . Cloaks aren't exactly realistic in that game. Nothing is. You could likely run WoW on a toaster. ESO has far more detailed graphics.
Not defending, ZOS could definitely have used a better engine, but WoW's capes are hardly spectacular now, are they?Sweetrolls for all!
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Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!0 -
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✭✭Roehamad_Ali wrote: »If people would stop buying these high priced costumes and save their money for something that looks great at a reasonable cost , the marketing department would get a clue . As long as people throw money at the screen just to have something right away , this reckless behavior will continue . I wait until I can preview free in test center before buying anything or wait for Elloa to post a video .
I was going to spend over 100 dollars in this game, but instead I used that money to purchase a lot of games that was on sale at Steam.2 -
ItsGlaive✭✭✭✭✭
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This.They don't make capes and cloaks for this game. Did you honestly think they'd make a good cloak for this costume?
If they did, people would be shouting for them to add cloaks into the game. If they don't do a good cloak for this, people won't ask.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just don't buy it. If it's unacceptable, which it is, then stop throwing money at crown fluff until they release better quality items.
You know all those forum threads where people ask (demand) that ZOS add cloaks and capes to the game? Usually this gets posted in them:
Yeah, well... now you all see why we keep saying it can't be done. Look what happens.
Not only can it be done, it WAS done. Early builds had working capes in the game. Devs not wanting to is not the same as devs not being able to.
My two cents? Get rid of all the crotch flaps, butt flaps, and leg flaps and use the spare processing power from the physics in those to implement capes and retroactively apply physics to this, to the noble's outfit and anything else glued rigid.Allow cross-platform transfers and merges4 -
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If that 10 year old game is WoW, then . . . Well . . . Cloaks aren't exactly realistic in that game. Nothing is. You could likely run WoW on a toaster. ESO has far more detailed graphics.
Not defending, ZOS could definitely have used a better engine, but WoW's capes are hardly spectacular now, are they?
Better than the "custom" *cough*modifiedheroengine*cough* that it runs on now?
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Tiitus✭✭✭✭
it can be done they just chose not to, there is a deference. find it hard to belive they "cant" when the tech is already being used to some degree on the front/back armor flaps of gear.
They can make the capes with good physics and all that. Problem is, when you have more than one player on the screen with a fully framed cape, it turns into a slide show. Devs have told us many times that the capes we want, they can't put in the game because it will cause a slide show. The capes that don't slow the game down to a crawl are not the capes we would want.
It has to do with the Frames that the textures hang on, to make a decent looking and acting cape and cloak requires lots of frame elements to be animated and that is the crux of the problem. Those flappy pad things on the sides of our characters are not cloak like item that requires an intricate frame, that is why they can exist in the game.
This costume just proves the point they have been making all along. I just wonder how it made it to release as the costume is now.
so you tellin me they made/used an game engine so limited that it cant do what a 10 yr old game can? if so they need to consider a "FFXIV:ARR" approach,
If that 10 year old game is WoW, then . . . Well . . . Cloaks aren't exactly realistic in that game. Nothing is. You could likely run WoW on a toaster. ESO has far more detailed graphics.
Not defending, ZOS could definitely have used a better engine, but WoW's capes are hardly spectacular now, are they?
games with better detail have clothing physics...? and yes wow is not the best but their cloaks have physics and alot better with the newer models within the past 2yrs.
(not promoting wow just an example)
ESO seems to be stuck in a weird place..one moment you have an amazing armor set with great textures and detail... then you have thi breton armor, like what happened? also on a side note the game engine has trouble doing even some of the most basic mmo'ish things.
i love the game but quality seems to be taking a dump here latelyEdited by Tiitus on July 21, 2016 6:18PM3 -
Sporvan✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Wrath wrote: »Nestor nailed it on the capes.
However, I think whoever designs these crown store items just needs fired. My head is bald and potato looking in that hood, the back side is incredibly bland. There is so much that should go into a costume because its about the looks. Yet nearly every single costume in the store is just awkward, ugly or poor looking.
And they want us to pay 2000 crowns. I wish I could sell a half-wrapped tootsie roll for 50 dollars.
Agree! My head looks all funny in it, the cowl shape is awkward. The back looks dreary and I swear I lose any contour of my glutes...0 -
They don't make capes and cloaks for this game. Did you honestly think they'd make a good cloak for this costume?
If they did, people would be shouting for them to add cloaks into the game. If they don't do a good cloak for this, people won't ask.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just don't buy it. If it's unacceptable, which it is, then stop throwing money at crown fluff until they release better quality items.
Did you ever play the alpha or beta? It was in the game lol they just got kinda lazy for some reason and took them off "performance issues" was their excuse but really lol just like how they removed deers from pvp0 -
Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The whole thing that 'They can't make a Cloak like that due to performance issues etc' is a bit silly if you ask me. It does not have to be affected by physics or move around, it could be completely stationary for all I care. Just stop it from sticking to the characters legs. Let it hang down stationary on it's own behind your character.House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'1 -
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✭✭✭Sad thing is ppl are still going to jump to buy this "thing" and Zo$ will think they did a good job on this crap2 -
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✭✭Completely Agree.
Why can't we have low quality skyrim cloak physics that at least make sense instead of sticking to your legs. ZOS PLEASE IMPROVE THE CLOAK. You have already proven you can accomplish good physics with front/butt flaps and guild tabards so i see no reason why cloaks cannot have slight physics and actually look like a cloak that drapes behind you while walking or on the ground while crouching. Very disappointed right now.
I only bought the thing because its a limited time offer and costume dyes are coming out next month.
Also, anyone wanna see my giant female characters forehead in the new costume? I sure hope this gets some attention also. Or maybe get the Art team to start working through hair styles to work with hoodies. That would be amazing but first things first and thats fixing cloak (and no im not talking about nb's broken shadow cloak
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Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on July 21, 2016 7:13PMPS4 NA DC4 -
Seravi✭✭✭✭✭So I guess adding a cloak means being hunchback or look like you have a board on your back? There is no reason for the cloak to fit the way it does. It makes the character look like The Hunchback of Notre Dame when they move and when they are standing it looks like a board on their back. Horrid!!!
Character without the costume. Big difference in her true size and shape vs what she looks like in the costume.
Edited by Seravi on July 21, 2016 7:21PM1
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