VMA is breaking me

HoolDog

I have been in this trial nearly every available session on the game. I have lost count on the clears I have done now and I have managed to get a stamknight and sorc on the leader boards.

The drop rates are horrendous for example I am currently on a run of 8 rings in a row from the final chest. 50% chance in great effect.

I have got various weapons in bad traits. The only decent stuff I have gained is:

nirn 2h, 1h mace, 1h axe
Precise 2h sword

Otherwise it's all charged and powered crap.

The bad traits available are enough of a fight to get what you want... Let alone spending 1.5hrs in the hardest solo content to get a ring that 99% of players don't want.

The weapon drops should be 100% for the effort people put into this content. Then atleast we can get mats from deconstructing the bad trait weapons rather than selling the masses of rings we accumulate trying to grab sharpened weapons.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I am sorry buddy. It sucks and I feel your pain. Said it before and I will say it again. Just stop running it. Other than getting the title on some new alts, I have not been back since they further diluted and already horrendous loot table. They wont do anything as long as people continue to log in. What if we had a week of empty leaderboards?!?!

Like most people, I have a smattering of good stuff mixed with a bunch of terrible traits. Pretty much the only thing I care about would be a sharpened inferno staff and sharpened dagger. The chances of getting either got MUCH worse at last patch. I have not seen a weapon from the last chest since DB, so I frankly dont buy the 50% (which should be 100%).

Anyway, they wont do anything with this thread. They have popped up 1-2 times a week since this place came out, and they only thing they did was make the problem twice as bad. Vent if you need to, we are here, but dont expect anything done on this issue.

#VMATOKENSYSTEM, #GOINGONSTRIKE

Shader_Shibes

We asked them for a improved drop rate which they said they would do, but trolled us big time with the diluted trait pool.

Now the drop rate is *** poor, worse than ever, and now we gotta deal with *** traits that should not be on end game items.

ZOS took a big fat dump on anyone who didnt get the weapons they wanted pre DB. (luckily for me i did )

Ghost-Shot

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I am sorry buddy. It sucks and I feel your pain. Said it before and I will say it again. Just stop running it. Other than getting the title on some new alts, I have not been back since they further diluted and already horrendous loot table. They wont do anything as long as people continue to log in. What if we had a week of empty leaderboards?!?!

Like most people, I have a smattering of good stuff mixed with a bunch of terrible traits. Pretty much the only thing I care about would be a sharpened inferno staff and sharpened dagger. The chances of getting either got MUCH worse at last patch. I have not seen a weapon from the last chest since DB, so I frankly dont buy the 50% (which should be 100%).

Anyway, they wont do anything with this thread. They have popped up 1-2 times a week since this place came out, and they only thing they did was make the problem twice as bad. Vent if you need to, we are here, but dont expect anything done on this issue.

#VMATOKENSYSTEM, #GOINGONSTRIKE

#notworth

sbam66

Keep running it, it's the only way. I also luckily got most of what I wanted pre patch. Only thing I want now is a sharpened dagger.

LegendaryArcher

I uninstalled ESO for this very reason. No money for ZOS until vMA drops are fair.

If you don't wanna give another, much better game a chance *cough* Black Desert *cough*, at least unsubscribe from ESO Plus.

MrAppleman

100% drop chance could make sense. There are a lot of traits now so even with 100% weapon drop you would most likely have to rerun to get what you want. 12 different weapons with what 8 traits?
Besides with the chance of gold jewelry from leaderboards who would want the purple ones.
Not that anyone even wants those sets. The only chest I ever open in my runs is the last one.

Personally I enjoy running vMA so I don't mind as much. I also still have a few desired weapons and repeats for other toons. And wouldn't mind trying a few new traits.

I must say the weekly rewards are mostly crap and repeats.
Last week out of my 4 rewards I received two defending restos and 2 bows, charged and nirn.

Just keep your head down and power through it. You'll get what you want sooner or later.

PurifedBladez

Token System
100% final chest wep drop.. that has an increased chance to drop weapons you actually use.

I won't play vma until they change something with the the loot. It's not fun and like the op said I don't want anymore *** rings!!!!!!

magictucktuck

my last 7 drops have been 4 bows followed by 3 rings... i feel you

Ch4mpTW

VMA needs a token system badly. And very badly. I don't know why ZOS keeps doing what it's doing, as most gaming companies tend to want to please its customers. Not infuriate them further. And that's exactly what they are doing with VMA. People have been saying for months now to fix the drop-rates, or incorporate a token system. And like most things we (their customers) asked for, we have them ignored or have our wishes granted in a warped sense.

Will you all PLEASE do something about the atrocious drop-rates? Please!? It's getting out of hand now. No one wants your robust Winterborn and Succession jewelry. No one wants another arcane Para Bellum ring. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Finn @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel

HoolDog

I was pleased with a precise greatsword from the leaderboard rewards for my Stamknight. The decisive lightning staff for my sorc wasnt great but I have seen posts from people that have yet to see any destro staff in massive numbers of runs.

But the sheer fact that willpower/agility is so good... The chance of most players using these accessories is slim to none.

I understand why they use RNG, for replay value and such. But for the effort it takes to get to grips with this content having 3 levels of RNG in insane (1. getting a weapon 2. Getting the right weapon. 3. Getting a decent trait)

It's annoying when a fix is so simple

1. A token system or
2. 100% drop rate for weapons in last chest.

Being on 8 ring run is insane... I would actually be happy to see a crap trait weapon of any kind. Just to get a weapon.

let's see how I get on in the morning

Wifeaggro13

HoolDog wrote: »

I have been in this trial nearly every available session on the game. I have lost count on the clears I have done now and I have managed to get a stamknight and sorc on the leader boards.

The drop rates are horrendous for example I am currently on a run of 8 rings in a row from the final chest. 50% chance in great effect.

I have got various weapons in bad traits. The only decent stuff I have gained is:

nirn 2h, 1h mace, 1h axe
Precise 2h sword

Otherwise it's all charged and powered crap.

The bad traits available are enough of a fight to get what you want... Let alone spending 1.5hrs in the hardest solo content to get a ring that 99% of players don't want.

The weapon drops should be 100% for the effort people put into this content. Then atleast we can get mats from deconstructing the bad trait weapons rather than selling the masses of rings we accumulate trying to grab sharpened weapons.

It's absloutely baffling. On one hand Zos claims they are directing the game at at the solo casual, they nerf the premium end game 4 man's to appease this mystical population but leaves this ridiculously punishing solo instance that is completely directed at the end game dps playstyle, no room to do at as any other spec then that.

I'm sorry but this team has a very loose grip on reality.

HoolDog

Ran it twice this morning... 2 more rings! That's 10 rings in a row now.

Decent scores aswell

410k
460k

And I did my prayers to RNGeesus.

50% chance and I have still hit one way 10 times in a row... What are the chances of flipping a coin and getting one result 10 times in a row... Because I seem to be that unlucky.

Docmandu

Ran it maybe 20 times now.. think I got quite lucky:

- nirnhoned bow
- precise dagger
- sharpened axe
- charged bow (good thing I already got the nirnhoned one)
- sharpened fire staff
- sharpened resto staff
- and 2x 1H/s once sharped, forgot the other one

but yeah it's quite frustrating spending 1-2 hours in there and getting a permafrost / parabellum / fury ring. (with permafrost drops taking the cake.. in drop rate and in uselessness from everything ranging from PvE to PvP)

but like I said.. think I'm one of the lucky ones.. decent drops with nice traits.


Would be nice if you could convert X of the same maelstrom item to 1 tradeable maelstrom item with a random trait.
That would give people a chance to get a better trait using X items and/or sell some of the items of the multiple runs.

HoolDog

Docmandu wrote: »

Ran it maybe 20 times now.. think I got quite lucky:

- nirnhoned bow
- precise dagger
- sharpened axe
- charged bow (good thing I already got the nirnhoned one)
- sharpened fire staff
- sharpened resto staff
- and 2x 1H/s once sharped, forgot the other one

but yeah it's quite frustrating spending 1-2 hours in there and getting a permafrost / parabellum / fury ring. (with permafrost drops taking the cake.. in drop rate and in uselessness from everything ranging from PvE to PvP)

but like I said.. think I'm one of the lucky ones.. decent drops with nice traits.


Would be nice if you could convert X of the same maelstrom item to 1 tradeable maelstrom item with a random trait.
That would give people a chance to get a better trait using X items and/or sell some of the items of the multiple runs.

Wow I would literally do a little jig with some of those drops.

Genuinely pleased that some one is getting some decent RNG. All I need is a sharpened 2h and Fire staff then I will vacate this arena to leave a position on the board for someone else.

Vaoh

Docmandu wrote: »

Ran it maybe 20 times now.. think I got quite lucky:

- nirnhoned bow
- precise dagger
- sharpened axe
- charged bow (good thing I already got the nirnhoned one)
- sharpened fire staff
- sharpened resto staff
- and 2x 1H/s once sharped, forgot the other one

but yeah it's quite frustrating spending 1-2 hours in there and getting a permafrost / parabellum / fury ring. (with permafrost drops taking the cake.. in drop rate and in uselessness from everything ranging from PvE to PvP)

but like I said.. think I'm one of the lucky ones.. decent drops with nice traits.


Would be nice if you could convert X of the same maelstrom item to 1 tradeable maelstrom item with a random trait.
That would give people a chance to get a better trait using X items and/or sell some of the items of the multiple runs.

-_-

All I'm gonna say, is that people would be much happier playing ESO if they got drops this easily.

I've reached well over 100+ runs and tons of weekly gold Maelstrom weapon rewards. Not a single sharpened Destruction staff has ever dropped, and I have yet to see any type of dagger or axe for dual wielding. RNG is that harsh on me. Pure bad luck and I don't know why

Good for you....

Molag_Crow

VMSA:

nine9six

Haven't ran this content due to how I feel after reading these kinds of posts. One day!

Makkir

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

I uninstalled ESO for this very reason. No money for ZOS until vMA drops are fair.

If you don't wanna give another, much better game a chance *cough* Black Desert *cough*, at least unsubscribe from ESO Plus.

Now we all know your opinion holds as much weight as a sparrow feather. You have a problem with RNG yet you have zero quams about BDO, a game where only the kids who literally grind 20 hours a day have a huge edge on anyone who cannot...?
Sounds legit.

That game is horribad, as I said it would be before it launched, because it is yet another typical Korean game that rewards the grinders. By the way, the groups that left ESO for BDO are no longer playing BDO for the above mentioned reason.

In fact, you can read Ezareth's reasoning here: http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/88447-bdo-a-responsible-competitive-gamers-nightmare/

My opinion- Stick with ESO's green pastures, because it ain't better on the the other side of the fence.
I am going further tag my favorite spider @Cinnamon_Spider who I am sure can reinforce what I just said and save you guys the heartache of flocking to that toxic cesspool of a game.

Personofsecrets

Threads like these make me happy that the tanking items from vMA are trash. It's sad that the most likely consumer friendly thing to happen for ESO players is for us to not need or want anything new coming out. That is opposed to the mythical world where something new comes out and players have decent access to it and the inevitability of enjoying that access.

HoolDog

Molag_Crow wrote: »

VMSA:

On the money with that gif

Totalitarian

HoolDog wrote: »

50% chance and I have still hit one way 10 times in a row... What are the chances of flipping a coin and getting one result 10 times in a row... Because I seem to be that unlucky.

Assuming 50% chance of landing on one face of a coin, ten trials with the same result equals a probability of 1 / 1024

which is slightly less that 0.1% chance of happening.

HoolDog

Don't get me wrong tho, people saying they have a problem with the game is purely on them...

I love this game... I craft, I do trials/dungeons (not so much now impen is not in loot table), I farm, I socialise and mostly PVP. Game is full of stuff to do, to much with the time I have to play.

I don't even mind the RNG in most other situations... I ran Darkshades every day for 20 days, 3 times a day in search of the engine gaurdian helmet... I farmed kena, bloodspawn, skoria and most the other monster pieces.

I just have a problem with the levels of RNG associated with this arena... In my opinion it's to much for what you have to put into it.

HoolDog

Totalitarian wrote: »

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HoolDog wrote: »

50% chance and I have still hit one way 10 times in a row... What are the chances of flipping a coin and getting one result 10 times in a row... Because I seem to be that unlucky.

Assuming 50% chance of landing on one face of a coin, ten trials with the same result equals a probability of 1 / 1024

which is slightly less that 0.1% chance of happening.

Thanks for that information. It's nice to see how unlucky I am in the form of a number... It is not pretty reading.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

HoolDog wrote: »

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Totalitarian wrote: »

HoolDog wrote: »

50% chance and I have still hit one way 10 times in a row... What are the chances of flipping a coin and getting one result 10 times in a row... Because I seem to be that unlucky.

Assuming 50% chance of landing on one face of a coin, ten trials with the same result equals a probability of 1 / 1024

which is slightly less that 0.1% chance of happening.

Thanks for that information. It's nice to see how unlucky I am in the form of a number... It is not pretty reading.

The math is good, but it is based on the premise that the drop rate is actually 50%. My limited data does not support that. But alas, that is the problem with RNG. Statisically, you could run this place a million times and it is possible to not get a single weapon, which of course is working as intended. With pure RNG, anything can happen.

Since they wont implement a token system, they should at least buff the last chest to 100% and remove all the recently added traits. They wont, but they should...

PurifedBladez

HoolDog wrote: »

Don't get me wrong tho, people saying they have a problem with the game is purely on them...

I love this game... I craft, I do trials/dungeons (not so much now impen is not in loot table), I farm, I socialise and mostly PVP. Game is full of stuff to do, to much with the time I have to play.

I don't even mind the RNG in most other situations... I ran Darkshades every day for 20 days, 3 times a day in search of the engine gaurdian helmet... I farmed kena, bloodspawn, skoria and most the other monster pieces.

I just have a problem with the levels of RNG associated with this arena... In my opinion it's to much for what you have to put into it.

I agree with you. RNG on the dungeons is whatever because there's actually something fun about it also, there's way more socializing.

The second I hear that sound when stage 1 begins I start to hate my life. Then as I keep playing I get more unintrested and, just generally unhappy. By the times it's over and, I've opened the last chest to see a ring again I don't want to play anymore. I haven't gotten one weapon, not one in about 10+ runs. I get that some of you have ran vMA 100+ times to get your weapons but, on the real *** that. I'm a pvp player. LET ME *** PVP! Lol. I honestly wish I never stepped foot in vMA it's pretty much ruined this game for me lol. Its weird I just don't enjoy it as much after vMA. It's almost like a.. "this is it?" feeling. Then a "are you *** kidding me" followed by an "Xbox off."

Totalitarian

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

The math is good, but it is based on the premise that the drop rate is actually 50%.

Yeah, I'm not sure of the 50% drop rate either. While I've never finished vMA, if the weapon drop rates are anything like Monster Helm drop rates.

On the bright side, if the drop rate is 50%, with 10 trials with the same outcome, you had a 50% chance to get 10 vMA weapons in a row

We could also represent 50% drop rate in binary!

0000000000 would be 10 unsuccessful trials
1111111111 would be 10 successful trials


I would say that due to statistical distributions, there would be a REALLY unlikely to not get a vMA weapon in 11 runs, but Random Numbers in a computer aren't truly random. They're produced via an algorithm that produces seemingly random numbers based off of a seed. A common occurrence is for the seed to be based off of current time (if the seed was constant, you could determine the outcome of an event with 0 error).

So, assuming time-based random number generation, if you really wanted to, you could poke around through ESO's code, and find the drop rates area, and examine them (assuming they're client-side) and then, using a compiler, you could time out an exact instance of time to do 'X', (X is an action that triggers the generation of numbers that decides loot) (assuming a time-based random number generator), and if you complete action X in that moment of time, you can guarantee that loot drop. But considering the amount of work it'd be to do that, and the precision involved, coupled with the assumption that ESO's loot is based off of time based random numbers, you would be better off running vMA over and over with no regard to time.

HoolDog

I have sat in party with guild mates listening to them Pvp... And I am doing more runs of VMA as I must be due a weapon run!

I normaly play games for the social side of it but the determination to get BIS gear is turning me into an unsocial gamer.

Khaos_Bane

Makkir wrote: »

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LegendaryArcher wrote: »

I uninstalled ESO for this very reason. No money for ZOS until vMA drops are fair.

If you don't wanna give another, much better game a chance *cough* Black Desert *cough*, at least unsubscribe from ESO Plus.

Now we all know your opinion holds as much weight as a sparrow feather. You have a problem with RNG yet you have zero quams about BDO, a game where only the kids who literally grind 20 hours a day have a huge edge on anyone who cannot...?
Sounds legit.

That game is horribad, as I said it would be before it launched, because it is yet another typical Korean game that rewards the grinders. By the way, the groups that left ESO for BDO are no longer playing BDO for the above mentioned reason.

In fact, you can read Ezareth's reasoning here: http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/88447-bdo-a-responsible-competitive-gamers-nightmare/

My opinion- Stick with ESO's green pastures, because it ain't better on the the other side of the fence.
I am going further tag my favorite spider @Cinnamon_Spider who I am sure can reinforce what I just said and save you guys the heartache of flocking to that toxic cesspool of a game.

The bold is very true, and a good post by Ezareth. ESO is friendly to casual players and it's really where this game shines. I hope ZoS does keep listening to the community, the larger portion of the community and keep this game going for mostly casual players.

waterfairy

Molag_Crow wrote: »

VMSA:

PlagueMonk

Not to derail this thread but I have noticed similar things in the WB runs in Wrothgar. The addition of new traits along with tossing weapons of every shape and size into the RNG has made collecting the set pieces you would like, not to mention V16 AND the desired trait, a pipedream.

Luckily I got most of the set pieces I wanted previously and was just trying to get everything to V16, divines but have given up since I now have a ton of weapons I don't want.

Please remove all the junk you added to both the Wrothgar WB rewards and VMA.