4hr Maintenance

Refuse2GrowUp

Yup, some long maintenance...almost 5 hours now. Hoping a whole lot of fixes in whatever patch/maint they are doing. Can tolerate the server downtime if it means fixes to the plethora of problems that has been plague gameplay lately. Here's to hoping~

Sandman929

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

At the very least, they could have done the maintenance in the middle of the night, at like 2am or something, instead of killing an entire day.

I don't know why they don't just do it when I'm asleep. It's almost like they don't know when I'm asleep or something. We'd all rather it be when we're asleep and thanks to the fact that time zones don't exist, we're all on exactly the same time. Just do it at universal-2 A.M. ZOS!

Jadar

And to think, I could be lazily getting out of bed right now and in about an hour of moaning around to turn my ps4 on to no ESO... for shame ZOS for shame

Cazzy

It's 33°C/92°F. Can't play ESO. Losing my mind. Send help.

Boltonsquad

There back up

CeoloRT

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Why get upset the game is down? They're trying to fix things. I think having not enough down time is the reason this game has so much issues. Other mmos like dcuo have regular daily maintenance, sure it had it's issues but not like eso.

Let them work and the game will be up when it's up. Not the end of the world it's taking longer than usual.

its a maintenance, not a patch for the consoles.

They are not fixing anything

I wasn't aware of the two different categories. Regardless, maintenance serves to sustain the game, whatever they do during has to be beneficial.

Going on recent history do you really believe that?

If so do pigs fly and the bottom of rainbows exist where you live?

Karivaa

I certainly hope they fix this game soon! Their servers need to be upgraded to handle the players in Cyrodiil. I am currently downloading WOW to get ready for the new dlc which comes out in August. I would not play wow if eso was fixed, but it is nearly impossible to play eso like it is. I also know many other ex wow players who are considering going back because eso is just plain broken. I play on Xbox.

KiraTsukasa

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Boltonsquad wrote: »

I don't know why people are saying they would prefer them to be offline for longer to "fix" things. This isn't a patch this is a maintenance only, nothing gets fixed during this regular downtime which happens every single Tuesday.

Like someone has already said well over 20 hours downtime in the past 4 weeks that's almost a day of my subscription just wasted I would prefer them just to re-inburse me for this time.

This dude get's it! We get NOTHING for this downtime, no improvements no nothing, I cannot remember the last time I had a fault on logging in on this game, every console issue is after this point lol.

I'd bet a years salary they devoted 10 people to the job, 8 to crownstore job and 1 to each console job.

We aren't going to get anything for it. Ever. It's in the Terms of Service. They "aren't responsible for any compensation due to any sort of downtime." They could take the game down for an entire month just to give us the middle finger if they wanted to.

Perhaps in the US yes you can put pretty much anything in your conditions.

However in the EU it doesn't matter what you put or what people agree to if your conditions aren't legally binding.

Such as sale of goods act ( goods must be fit for purpose) and the unfair contracts act ( enforcing an agreement on someone that benefits one party unfairly) the list goes on over here, Firms cannot put whatever they want in a terms of service and claim invincibility over it.

Not that they care, but I actually wrote to IGN to ask them what's going on, they took some interest in it and said they would write to Zenimax press office for an answer so we'll see how that goes if anything, only thing worse than a bad sales quarter is bad press.

Also to note on their TOS, more on crown sales and products being non refundable....it's actually illegal in the UK to advertise you don't accept returns or offer refunds...

I am actually entitled to a refund of anything I buy in the crown store within 14 days regardless.

https://www.gov.uk/accepting-returns-and-giving-refunds

So please stop quoting Zos term of service, bent governments around the world may be in the pockets of businesses but over here it's not allowed.

Zos will now delete this thread but freedom of speech in fact means censorship at all times these days.

You make a good point.

Or at least you would if Zenimax was based in the UK. Since they are based in the US they are bound by US laws, not the UK's. You can take Zenimax to court if you really want, but it would have to be a US court, since they are a US company, and in a US court, the terms of service will hold up pretty damn well considering they were written by lawyers to prevent little stunts like that in the first place.

Also, freedom of speech only applies to censorship by government. Last time I checked, Zenimax wasn't a government.

snakester320

CeoloRT wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Why get upset the game is down? They're trying to fix things. I think having not enough down time is the reason this game has so much issues. Other mmos like dcuo have regular daily maintenance, sure it had it's issues but not like eso.

Let them work and the game will be up when it's up. Not the end of the world it's taking longer than usual.

its a maintenance, not a patch for the consoles.

They are not fixing anything

I wasn't aware of the two different categories. Regardless, maintenance serves to sustain the game, whatever they do during has to be beneficial.

Going on recent history do you really believe that?

If so do pigs fly and the bottom of rainbows exist where you live?

CONFIRMED COMING TO CROWN STORE!!! FOR 5000 crowns ... FLYING PIGS... LIMITED TO PLAYERS THAT BELIEVE THAT ZOS MAINTANCE FIXES THINGS!!

UofWahooshington

What is the deal here...As a paying member (and I am sure my fellow paid members will agree) I would like some transparency here. Why does it take so long to patch something that your last "patch" broke? Why, this far into the life of console ESO, are we having year 1 issues? You are still taking our money, but providing an inferior product to that of PC (speaking only from what a few PC friends have told me). My thoughts are, if you are going to accept my monthly subscription, we should be getting a better functioning product.

I am not trying to sound unappreciative, because I really do enjoy the game, and think it is great BUTTTTT it could be so much more with a little more effort from DEV's and the like.

Sincerely a concerned PS4 player

Graydon

Such adults!

It's just a game.

Go outside. Mow the lawn. Have a drink. Meet your neighbors.

Cazzy

Graydon wrote: »

Such adults!

It's just a game.

Go outside. Mow the lawn. Have a drink. Meet your neighbors.

That's like calling an artist a "finger painter"

snakester320

Karivaa wrote: »

I certainly hope they fix this game soon! Their servers need to be upgraded to handle the players in Cyrodiil. I am currently downloading WOW to get ready for the new dlc which comes out in August. I would not play wow if eso was fixed, but it is nearly impossible to play eso like it is. I also know many other ex wow players who are considering going back because eso is just plain broken. I play on Xbox.

If wow was put on console ( i dont own a pc ) bye bye eso!!! wow is dated but atleast they got there sh.t together!!

DRXHarbinger

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Boltonsquad wrote: »

I don't know why people are saying they would prefer them to be offline for longer to "fix" things. This isn't a patch this is a maintenance only, nothing gets fixed during this regular downtime which happens every single Tuesday.

Like someone has already said well over 20 hours downtime in the past 4 weeks that's almost a day of my subscription just wasted I would prefer them just to re-inburse me for this time.

This dude get's it! We get NOTHING for this downtime, no improvements no nothing, I cannot remember the last time I had a fault on logging in on this game, every console issue is after this point lol.

I'd bet a years salary they devoted 10 people to the job, 8 to crownstore job and 1 to each console job.

We aren't going to get anything for it. Ever. It's in the Terms of Service. They "aren't responsible for any compensation due to any sort of downtime." They could take the game down for an entire month just to give us the middle finger if they wanted to.

Perhaps in the US yes you can put pretty much anything in your conditions.

However in the EU it doesn't matter what you put or what people agree to if your conditions aren't legally binding.

Such as sale of goods act ( goods must be fit for purpose) and the unfair contracts act ( enforcing an agreement on someone that benefits one party unfairly) the list goes on over here, Firms cannot put whatever they want in a terms of service and claim invincibility over it.

Not that they care, but I actually wrote to IGN to ask them what's going on, they took some interest in it and said they would write to Zenimax press office for an answer so we'll see how that goes if anything, only thing worse than a bad sales quarter is bad press.

Also to note on their TOS, more on crown sales and products being non refundable....it's actually illegal in the UK to advertise you don't accept returns or offer refunds...

I am actually entitled to a refund of anything I buy in the crown store within 14 days regardless.

https://www.gov.uk/accepting-returns-and-giving-refunds

So please stop quoting Zos term of service, bent governments around the world may be in the pockets of businesses but over here it's not allowed.

Zos will now delete this thread but freedom of speech in fact means censorship at all times these days.

You make a good point.

Or at least you would if Zenimax was based in the UK. Since they are based in the US they are bound by US laws, not the UK's. You can take Zenimax to court if you really want, but it would have to be a US court, since they are a US company, and in a US court, the terms of service will hold up pretty damn well considering they were written by lawyers to prevent little stunts like that in the first place.

Also, freedom of speech only applies to censorship by government. Last time I checked, Zenimax wasn't a government.

Not true at all, NO company can sell in another country without adhering to local laws and point of transaction, the game is sold in the UK, Crowns are purchased in UK in GBP and bound by all laws applicable in the UK / EU. fact. I am not buying from a US website in USD and paying import fees. Zenimax also has an office in London.

KiraTsukasa

Sandman929 wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

At the very least, they could have done the maintenance in the middle of the night, at like 2am or something, instead of killing an entire day.

I don't know why they don't just do it when I'm asleep. It's almost like they don't know when I'm asleep or something. We'd all rather it be when we're asleep and thanks to the fact that time zones don't exist, we're all on exactly the same time. Just do it at universal-2 A.M. ZOS!

They begin a 5+ hour maintenance at 6am EST. That ends up taking half the time that most people would be playing. And for UK players? That's 11 or 12, cutting even more into the time that they would normally play. And before you go off on another rant about time zones, yes, they CAN take down two separate servers down at two separate times.

Really, you should be working for Zenimax, you seem to have the same lack of comprehension on simple subjects that they do.

Seratopia

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Why get upset the game is down? They're trying to fix things. I think having not enough down time is the reason this game has so much issues. Other mmos like dcuo have regular daily maintenance, sure it had it's issues but not like eso.

Let them work and the game will be up when it's up. Not the end of the world it's taking longer than usual.

its a maintenance, not a patch for the consoles.

They are not fixing anything

I wasn't aware of the two different categories. Regardless, maintenance serves to sustain the game, whatever they do during has to be beneficial.

Going on recent history do you really believe that?

If so do pigs fly and the bottom of rainbows exist where you live?

There's always a first for everything. Optimism is a nice virtue to have.

Also the disrespect wasn't necessary.

Clarkieson

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

ZOS what is going on with all this time wasting lately.

Currently you've taken this game down for over 20hrs in the past 4 weeks probably more than that.

Is the lag affecting your staff or something? This log in maintenance used to take 2hrs tops but now look at it?

Seriously what is going on? Is part of a winding down process or something? Even the patch yesterday for PC took forever.

Can you please provide some clear information on why we have so much downtime, no other online service at present has this much downtime and we are yet to see any improvement to performance this year.......

Usual @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Please give the community something and not silence.

Thanks,

lol!!!!

ZOS employees in a load screen when they load into the server room, move forward a bit after loading in and then they hit the double load screen

servers start teleporting around the room and one technician is killed by the invisible dust boss who guards them

a technician logs into the server... “unable to connect to server, please ensure you have a valid internet connection”

the dust boss monster finally appears in view after slaying technician and laky alike, turuk redclaws just stands there and laughs “what a bunch of milksops!”

A medic is called to clear the dead and dying ZOS employees... “get the cleaners in here with the vacuum ultimate, we have a dust boss to kill!”

Cleaners appear with vacuum ults ready, a war horn sounds and the dust boss is eliminated, the server room is liberated once more!

turuk redclaws smiles and walks off into the distance knowing its only a matter of minutes before the dust boss respawns, can the technicians carry out the maintenance in time and escape with their lives?

probably not he thinks

the cleaners evacuate and leave two of the last technicians behind to try and log in..."unable to connect to server, please ensure you have a valid internet connection”

only a few seconds left before the dust boss respawns and in a desperate panic a technician find the server off button and shuts them down

relief....

now to turn them back on again, and boom! server maintenance complete.... or is it.......

DRXHarbinger

Clarkieson wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

ZOS what is going on with all this time wasting lately.

Currently you've taken this game down for over 20hrs in the past 4 weeks probably more than that.

Is the lag affecting your staff or something? This log in maintenance used to take 2hrs tops but now look at it?

Seriously what is going on? Is part of a winding down process or something? Even the patch yesterday for PC took forever.

Can you please provide some clear information on why we have so much downtime, no other online service at present has this much downtime and we are yet to see any improvement to performance this year.......

Usual @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Please give the community something and not silence.

Thanks,

lol!!!!

ZOS employees in a load screen when they load into the server room, move forward a bit after loading in and then they hit the double load screen

servers start teleporting around the room and one technician is killed by the invisible dust boss who guards them

a technician logs into the server... “unable to connect to server, please ensure you have a valid internet connection”

the dust boss monster finally appears in view after slaying technician and laky alike, turuk redclaws just stands there and laughs “what a bunch of milksops!”

A medic is called to clear the dead and dying ZOS employees... “get the cleaners in here with the vacuum ultimate, we have a dust boss to kill!”

Cleaners appear with vacuum ults ready, a war horn sounds and the dust boss is eliminated, the server room is liberated once more!

turuk redclaws smiles and walks off into the distance knowing its only a matter of minutes before the dust boss respawns, can the technicians carry out the maintenance in time and escape with their lives?

probably not he thinks

the cleaners evacuate and leave two of the last technicians behind to try and log in..."unable to connect to server, please ensure you have a valid internet connection”

only a few seconds left before the dust boss respawns and in a desperate panic a technician find the server off button and shuts them down

relief....

now to turn them back on again, and boom! server maintenance complete.... or is it.......

You sir get an awesome!

Actually made me laugh.

DRXHarbinger

Seratopia wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Why get upset the game is down? They're trying to fix things. I think having not enough down time is the reason this game has so much issues. Other mmos like dcuo have regular daily maintenance, sure it had it's issues but not like eso.

Let them work and the game will be up when it's up. Not the end of the world it's taking longer than usual.

its a maintenance, not a patch for the consoles.

They are not fixing anything

I wasn't aware of the two different categories. Regardless, maintenance serves to sustain the game, whatever they do during has to be beneficial.

Going on recent history do you really believe that?

If so do pigs fly and the bottom of rainbows exist where you live?

There's always a first for everything. Optimism is a nice virtue to have.

Also the disrespect wasn't necessary.

Apologies, disrespect wasn't intended.

But seriously we cannot all have the wool pulled over our eyes on this forever, having heard nothing at all from ZOS on this since the DB patch, not even another "we know it's less than ideal" Something is going on their end and they will not even entertain anything now.

I even have to wait 60s for my 4k crown mount animations to load up,

The answer to all lag is most likely...... XBL and PSN only operate at a fixed speed, adding more to the game is most likely exceeding this limit and causing all the loading issues, something ZOS had probably never considered.

We would need a PC user to tell us how much data is coming through from ZOS and then find out the maximum permitted via XBL etc, just a suggestion and may be an underlying reason as to why one Tamriel is being launched, possibly to create more instances and therefore less load on the network in theory.

But no information from ZOS means we'll just never know.

GreenhaloX

Graydon wrote: »

Such adults!

It's just a game.

Go outside. Mow the lawn. Have a drink. Meet your neighbors.

Nahhh.. my neighbors are too juveniles. I need to move. Too bad I can't blade of woe them. Lol!

Clarkieson

snakester320 wrote: »

CeoloRT wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Why get upset the game is down? They're trying to fix things. I think having not enough down time is the reason this game has so much issues. Other mmos like dcuo have regular daily maintenance, sure it had it's issues but not like eso.

Let them work and the game will be up when it's up. Not the end of the world it's taking longer than usual.

its a maintenance, not a patch for the consoles.

They are not fixing anything

I wasn't aware of the two different categories. Regardless, maintenance serves to sustain the game, whatever they do during has to be beneficial.

Going on recent history do you really believe that?

If so do pigs fly and the bottom of rainbows exist where you live?

CONFIRMED COMING TO CROWN STORE!!! FOR 5000 crowns ... FLYING PIGS... LIMITED TO PLAYERS THAT BELIEVE THAT ZOS MAINTANCE FIXES THINGS!!

superman pig?

superpig!

Samphaa

snakester320 wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Boltonsquad wrote: »

I don't know why people are saying they would prefer them to be offline for longer to "fix" things. This isn't a patch this is a maintenance only, nothing gets fixed during this regular downtime which happens every single Tuesday.

Like someone has already said well over 20 hours downtime in the past 4 weeks that's almost a day of my subscription just wasted I would prefer them just to re-inburse me for this time.

This dude get's it! We get NOTHING for this downtime, no improvements no nothing, I cannot remember the last time I had a fault on logging in on this game, every console issue is after this point lol.

I'd bet a years salary they devoted 10 people to the job, 8 to crownstore job and 1 to each console job.

We aren't going to get anything for it. Ever. It's in the Terms of Service. They "aren't responsible for any compensation due to any sort of downtime." They could take the game down for an entire month just to give us the middle finger if they wanted to.

EXACTLY free to play in other words we dont give a f.ck if you play or not as long as you buy some stuff of the crown store now and then and we will supply you with a broke game play it or not make a bit of cash off you JOB DONE!!...... NOW if there was a sub and this sh.t was happening the bean counters at ZOS and CO would be kicking arses and taking names!!

Were you around at the time of the subscription model? I get the feeling the game was alot more stable and better supported back then

Ritzey01

Learn what all is involved in the maintenance process before complaining about it.

Mush55

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Boltonsquad wrote: »

I don't know why people are saying they would prefer them to be offline for longer to "fix" things. This isn't a patch this is a maintenance only, nothing gets fixed during this regular downtime which happens every single Tuesday.

Like someone has already said well over 20 hours downtime in the past 4 weeks that's almost a day of my subscription just wasted I would prefer them just to re-inburse me for this time.

This dude get's it! We get NOTHING for this downtime, no improvements no nothing, I cannot remember the last time I had a fault on logging in on this game, every console issue is after this point lol.

I'd bet a years salary they devoted 10 people to the job, 8 to crownstore job and 1 to each console job.

We aren't going to get anything for it. Ever. It's in the Terms of Service. They "aren't responsible for any compensation due to any sort of downtime." They could take the game down for an entire month just to give us the middle finger if they wanted to.

Perhaps in the US yes you can put pretty much anything in your conditions.

However in the EU it doesn't matter what you put or what people agree to if your conditions aren't legally binding.

Such as sale of goods act ( goods must be fit for purpose) and the unfair contracts act ( enforcing an agreement on someone that benefits one party unfairly) the list goes on over here, Firms cannot put whatever they want in a terms of service and claim invincibility over it.

Not that they care, but I actually wrote to IGN to ask them what's going on, they took some interest in it and said they would write to Zenimax press office for an answer so we'll see how that goes if anything, only thing worse than a bad sales quarter is bad press.

Also to note on their TOS, more on crown sales and products being non refundable....it's actually illegal in the UK to advertise you don't accept returns or offer refunds...

I am actually entitled to a refund of anything I buy in the crown store within 14 days regardless.

https://www.gov.uk/accepting-returns-and-giving-refunds

So please stop quoting Zos term of service, bent governments around the world may be in the pockets of businesses but over here it's not allowed.

Zos will now delete this thread but freedom of speech in fact means censorship at all times these days.

You make a good point.

Or at least you would if Zenimax was based in the UK. Since they are based in the US they are bound by US laws, not the UK's. You can take Zenimax to court if you really want, but it would have to be a US court, since they are a US company, and in a US court, the terms of service will hold up pretty damn well considering they were written by lawyers to prevent little stunts like that in the first place.

Also, freedom of speech only applies to censorship by government. Last time I checked, Zenimax wasn't a government.

Cough cough STARBUCKS

Rex-Umbra

ZOS seriously talk to us about Console.

DRXHarbinger

Mush55 wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Boltonsquad wrote: »

I don't know why people are saying they would prefer them to be offline for longer to "fix" things. This isn't a patch this is a maintenance only, nothing gets fixed during this regular downtime which happens every single Tuesday.

Like someone has already said well over 20 hours downtime in the past 4 weeks that's almost a day of my subscription just wasted I would prefer them just to re-inburse me for this time.

This dude get's it! We get NOTHING for this downtime, no improvements no nothing, I cannot remember the last time I had a fault on logging in on this game, every console issue is after this point lol.

I'd bet a years salary they devoted 10 people to the job, 8 to crownstore job and 1 to each console job.

We aren't going to get anything for it. Ever. It's in the Terms of Service. They "aren't responsible for any compensation due to any sort of downtime." They could take the game down for an entire month just to give us the middle finger if they wanted to.

Perhaps in the US yes you can put pretty much anything in your conditions.

However in the EU it doesn't matter what you put or what people agree to if your conditions aren't legally binding.

Such as sale of goods act ( goods must be fit for purpose) and the unfair contracts act ( enforcing an agreement on someone that benefits one party unfairly) the list goes on over here, Firms cannot put whatever they want in a terms of service and claim invincibility over it.

Not that they care, but I actually wrote to IGN to ask them what's going on, they took some interest in it and said they would write to Zenimax press office for an answer so we'll see how that goes if anything, only thing worse than a bad sales quarter is bad press.

Also to note on their TOS, more on crown sales and products being non refundable....it's actually illegal in the UK to advertise you don't accept returns or offer refunds...

I am actually entitled to a refund of anything I buy in the crown store within 14 days regardless.

https://www.gov.uk/accepting-returns-and-giving-refunds

So please stop quoting Zos term of service, bent governments around the world may be in the pockets of businesses but over here it's not allowed.

Zos will now delete this thread but freedom of speech in fact means censorship at all times these days.

You make a good point.

Or at least you would if Zenimax was based in the UK. Since they are based in the US they are bound by US laws, not the UK's. You can take Zenimax to court if you really want, but it would have to be a US court, since they are a US company, and in a US court, the terms of service will hold up pretty damn well considering they were written by lawyers to prevent little stunts like that in the first place.

Also, freedom of speech only applies to censorship by government. Last time I checked, Zenimax wasn't a government.

Cough cough STARBUCKS

Google should be enough to show American firms aren't invincible outside of the US, or Intel fined like a BILLION or so, you'd think they'd of been able to afford to defend themselves against a fine that big.

snakester320

Samphaa wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Boltonsquad wrote: »

I don't know why people are saying they would prefer them to be offline for longer to "fix" things. This isn't a patch this is a maintenance only, nothing gets fixed during this regular downtime which happens every single Tuesday.

Like someone has already said well over 20 hours downtime in the past 4 weeks that's almost a day of my subscription just wasted I would prefer them just to re-inburse me for this time.

This dude get's it! We get NOTHING for this downtime, no improvements no nothing, I cannot remember the last time I had a fault on logging in on this game, every console issue is after this point lol.

I'd bet a years salary they devoted 10 people to the job, 8 to crownstore job and 1 to each console job.

We aren't going to get anything for it. Ever. It's in the Terms of Service. They "aren't responsible for any compensation due to any sort of downtime." They could take the game down for an entire month just to give us the middle finger if they wanted to.

EXACTLY free to play in other words we dont give a f.ck if you play or not as long as you buy some stuff of the crown store now and then and we will supply you with a broke game play it or not make a bit of cash off you JOB DONE!!...... NOW if there was a sub and this sh.t was happening the bean counters at ZOS and CO would be kicking arses and taking names!!

Were you around at the time of the subscription model? I get the feeling the game was alot more stable and better supported back then

NO i wasnt but i did hear it was buggy as hell back then!! HENCE THE QUICK DECLINE INTO FREE TO PLAY... do you really think ppl would put up with a broke arse game and pay a sub for it....To ZOS why is ffxiv arr still charging a monthly sub with 6+mill subs??? CAUSE THE GAME AINT BROKE!! I get the distinct feeling that ppl playing eso only play for the simple fact is its free... HONESTLY cant tell me anyone would sub constantly for this mess?? least of all on the consoles!!