Poll: Would you like dungeons to have a 3rd difficulty level?

Alagras

Hi everyone I hear a lot of discussion about dungeons being too hard, or not enough, and it seems to me that we just need the range of difficulty to match more the range of player performance. I mean one more difficulty level at least. If we look at solo games, they dont offer 2 difficulty modes, but 4 +, and that s imo what we need.

It s also easier to climb stairs if steps aren t too high, so it could help many people progressing to have one more difficulty level.
And we know that once you master a dungeon, it becomes boringly unchallenging, a hardcore mode would help.

To me veteran mode would be enough for the gold key, but expert mode would have a higher chance of dropping helms (with good traits) and sets.

What do you guys think?

Edit: to precise my thought: it would not be only adding a hardcore mode. Vet mode would be made slightly easier than it is now (many players have a hard time jumping from silver pledges to gold, that 's probably the reason they keep nerfing golds).
Expert mode would be significantly harder than current vet. This doesn t apply to trials exactly the same, especially now that they re rescaled, but trials would have 3 modes as well.

Rex-Umbra

Current Veteran is more than hard enough for me but I don't mind the most hardcore PvE players having more challenge if they want it.

Defilted

Please include a hardcore mode.

Voxicity

And then when everyone masters the 3rd difficulty?

Defilted

"And then when everyone, ( Insert here) then what?" could be applied to almost anything.

Alagras

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Current Veteran is more than hard enough for me but I don't mind the most hardcore PvE players having more challenge if they want it.

I should have precised that, to me, vet mode would be made say "10% easier" than it is now (can t count like this really but, well), and expert mode would be say 30% harder. It also depends wich dungeon, trials etc cause now the game isn t designed for that but it could be.

KaiVox22 wrote: »

And then when everyone masters the 3rd difficulty?

We make a 4th, I guess. But I dont see that happening as "everyone" isn t mastering the second currently

Gargath

When veteran dungeons will become too easy there will still be HM trials for ultimate challenge.

Voxicity

Defilted wrote: »

"And then when everyone, ( Insert here) then what?" could be applied to almost anything.

And then when everyone has seen your comment, then what?

Milvan

It would be awesome if we could have a hardcore mode for questing too. I mean, its way too easy, even without CP.

elantaura

ZOS has hard mode it's invisible monsters. That's why they gave everyone DPS metres so you know if your hitting them. Makes the block mechanic ones really hard. And invisible manticora with invisible aoes - hard then if you add lag in dungeons and it gets even harder.

Alagras

Milvan wrote: »

It would be awesome if we could have a hardcore mode for questing too. I mean, its way too easy, even without CP.

Had not thought of that at all, but I'd use it. It has probably even less chances to happen though

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I would never do it, but a harder difficulty for those who wanted it would be great,

But if you want that higher tier to have better loot or a chance at better loot, you are just setting yourself up for it to get nerfed.

shugg

Yes i would , make it harder with a set amount of lives and make it require a tank and healer - as for loot let it give yellow crafting mats for clearing.

phreatophile

I would prefer the current vet not be made any easier (per your edit)

A harder mode for those that find vet to be a faceroll would be great.

Vaoh

Would also like to note that a "no mid-dungeon loading screen" version would be Crown purchase worthy.

Hardcore mode gets an Agree from me!

dennissomb16_ESO

Hit no not so much that it is a bad idea but because it would take significant development resources that in the end will cater to an extremely small percentage of the population. WoW has done exactly what you asked and in the end "mythic level" (thats the extra hard level) is completed by less then 5% of the population for dungeons and Mythic level raids are completed by less the 1% of the population.
I would prefer to see those development resources go into game fixes and new content for a high percentage of the player base

potirondb16_ESO

Really agree about the third level of difficulty, and I would also recommend one for trial as well. At the current level of the game on PC N/A server, there's like 44 characther who've ever completed vMoL... that's kind of really really really low !

I'm not saying that those player shouldn't be rewarded for doing so but that at the current rate of thing, there's no way we will start seeing a lot of raid going at it until some balancing are made or without a significant increase of the cp.

That also mean that if only a really small part of the community have completed the trial, the trial should be nerf (ICP/WGT Logic) but that makes no sens, since progression of the game should create an environnement where player can start achieving the older trial one day or another.

So why not balance this and create 3 level of difficulty, one at normal where a 200cp raid should succeed, one where 450 cp player should succeed, and one where only a really small part of the population could.

Also, since creating a new level of difficulty also mean that you have to create a feeling of progression, it would be nice if the gear who dropped from theese dongeon not only label as Unique (yellow), but also be Unique Nightmare (Yellow), so yes a new temper level !

That would be really nice ! if it could add 25% to the current bonus receive, such gear not being usable in pvp.

Cryptical

elantaura wrote: »

ZOS has hard mode it's invisible monsters. That's why they gave everyone DPS metres so you know if your hitting them. Makes the block mechanic ones really hard. And invisible manticora with invisible aoes - hard then if you add lag in dungeons and it gets even harder.

On console it's "Swing the weapon or spam the AoE until you see damage numbers appear". Doing an entire room of those farking spiders is interesting when they fling their webs at you and you can't tell from where.

Schemering

I think its important for zos to add this 3rd difficulty otherwise tanks and healers will go extinct i fear. There is no dungeon that cant be done without a tank atm and with magicka 2nbs in a party theres no need for a healer in any dungeon. Also a 3rd separate level for challenge only will prevent a lot of anger and misunderstanding in dungeons where people go for achievements, loot or undaunted dailies.

If a new difficyulty level with same loot table and no or few achievements attached is added a lot of people will be very happy without leaving any that dont have the time or skills for clearing them looking at something they want but cant reach.

Schemering

btw you have exactly same thoughts as i have: make veteran version slightly easier (preferrably slowly over time) so more can do and learn pledge dungeons and i would like to see the 3rd level become increasingly difficult over time so they will be adjusted to new tactics players devellop

MasterSpatula

Yes. And I am not a progression player or a Leaderboard chaser or any of those things. I'm in this game for the storytelling. I would be unlikely to ever try a "nightmare mode" dungeon or trial.

But, as long as the power creep is going to continue, there needs to be more stuff specifically aimed at challenging those who've done everything they can to become as skilled and powerful as possible. It's very easy to forget, when you're at the top of the game, that most of the game isn't aimed at you (it's even already cropped up in this thread already).

Giving those who have the best theorycrafted gear and rotations and the best player skill more content aimed at challenging them is good for everyone.

Nifty2g

There is a masssssssssive difference between normal and veteran, there is no learning curve

lucky_Sage

yes then when your in a group that has high cp full geared where you don't need all roles you can run the dugeons now and ignore all mechanics

notimetocare

Is there really a point? Only tier you could add is a super hard tier for the 5% of players, if that, that want that challenge. Could not add better rewards or you would see nerfs to the content like with Vet Imp City.

Oakmontowls_ESO

Honestly they just need to change the pledge system slightly so when vCoA, vwgt, and vicp(and the new two ones) come up there would be an alternative pledge for both less powerful players and in the case of the dlc dungeons, people that don't own the dlc.

C0wrex

A damn nightmare mode would be nice

Gives me something to *** me off - along wit the drive to beat the insurmountable.

lindavanbezooijen

I really like to see a extra difficulty mode for dungeons. Atm the most veteran dungeons are too easy to complete. For me even vWGT and vICP are not hard to do. When they first came out it was a nice challenge, but after the nerf it became easy.

Trashkan

Yes I would like this the only thing that's left that's a challenge is VET S.O and VET Mol. All vet dungeons I have tanked in light armor Julianos and willpower set. I feel like ZOS hates tanks I have nothing left to do and all the trial tanks are running med armor WTF is wrong with this picture?

Elara_Northwind

Some friends and I were literally talking about this yesterday, as we were talking about the CP cap increase and the fact that vet dungeons are already so easy that they are mind numbing to complete now due to having 501... It has become a bit of a tedious chore to help my friends out with the daily pledges, especially as a healer, because they barely even need healing anymore If vet dungeons were more of a challenge, they might actually become fun to do again

Sharmony

No Vet dungeon provides any difficulty at present, the easiest ways to promote difficulty is to pull lots of mob packs together and / or bosses. A nightmare / hardcore / actual hardmode has been suggested in the past but ZOS said they wouldn't take any action on the ideas.

kevlarto_ESO

I would like to see a difficulty slider or another level, also the loot scales with the increased or decreased difficulty level. That way the l33t players could have a nightmare mode and us average joe's that would just like to see the encounter could have fun, I don't care about leaderboards or any of that stuff, I just play for the sake of playing.