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Hello everyone,

Recently we've had to remove quite of bit of back and forth from this thread. Please keep in mind that baiting and flaming is against the Forum Rules, and should be avoided to prevent the derailing of a thread. Remember to keep posts in threads constructive and on topic, if your post does not have much to contribute to the thread, it would be best to refrain from posting in the thread at all.

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KenaPKK

Telel wrote: »

So let Telel see if a humble khajiit mind has gotten this right.

The original poster is elfed because some players on the Griff faction didn't team up with the Doberman Combobreaker and instead did something that resulted in the third faction not having to fight everyone in the other two factions.

That is the simplest summary of this all yes?

On a side note: @Zheg , @KenaPKK sometimes one should ignore the mewling of unweaned cubs. It's not our fault their mother's didn't raise them right. Also, report buttons are faster and leave more time for killing those dirty griffs..

But my computer is broken... Forum PvP on my phone is all the PvP I get right now.

NirnStorm

frozywozy wrote: »

I personally think that taking Nikel in that scenario was not the best thing to do. I do understand the motivations of the people doing so though. EP has been zerged down to Kingscrest and Farragut for 5-6hours straight this morning, not relying on any guild online, and fighting actively against said organized AD guilds who usually bunch up in a ball of 25-40 bees.

This get very old after a while and going very deep in enemy territory to capture either Nikel or Brindle gets some frustration and pressure off for a while instead of being constantly zerged down around EP trikeeps.

This being said, I don't think that taking Nikel when we don't already have our home keep bonus is the right thing to do. When we struggle to get Arrius, I always encourage EP to flag Drake / Sej and then go for Arrius. I also encourage people to form ressource capping small groups and go deep in enemy territory to capture random ressources to encourage the enemy zerg to unstack and in the meantime, give a chance to people pushing for the home keeps.

Taking Nikel when we don't own Chalman or scrolls was unecessary in my opinion , but again I understand the reasoning behind it and the fact that being zerged down by AD 24men organized ball groups for 5-6hours straight with no EP guild active gets pretty irritating.

I definitely agree with Frozn.
Obviously there is a lot to farming and I get why people do that, hell if I didn't farm myself, even if not very often.
But I really think farming would be best if done at the right timing.
Other than all the fun and AP gain, farming can be a powerful method of distracting enemy players from defending their keeps and outposts that are being taken from them, if it is used right.
And a lot of times EP farming at Nikel are a huge help objective-wise.

I simply believe it was a really poor timing to do so when DC were hitting the same enemy and by that passively helping us, and the farming obviously triggered DCs reaction, as well.

@Zheg @TooskSG @Satiar and all the people who talked about farming done for the sole purpose of farming.
I agree 100%.
On most cases, the farming will be done just to farm and not considering map objectives at all.
But that does not have to apply to this case, it could just as well be poor timing to farm there, maybe with the intention to help.
Although you are right, and chances are it was not even considered,

NirnStorm

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Look at all those group member icons.

Just get your zerg to go cap the scrolls and stop complaining. I'd probably have taken Nikel there too if I were EP, they probably got a good bit of juice and some good fights

I am sure they had great fights. Too bad it had to come over map objectives to be had.

As for my 'zerg', I had about 16 members in my group, and am definitely not ashamed of that. We did end up flagging Black Boot when we were told other EP are headed to Faregyl to siege, so we could drag some of the ADs away from there. And we did end up getting about 40-50 ADs wiping us there, sadly with no EP sieges on Faregyl at all, possibly because blue Sej at the time had 9 sieges on it and I bet 4 times that many EP players.

dashima

Did your group ride from Drake all the way to BB? Instead of Alessia to BB?
Gotta keep dat pvdoor secret

Maztiax

how did I get here

NirnStorm

dashima wrote: »

Did your group ride from Drake all the way to BB? Instead of Alessia to BB?
Gotta keep dat pvdoor secret

Yeah that's right, because if there is one marker all the way there to the east, it must mean that we came from Drake!
It is absolutely not possible that this one person went a wrong way, or was AFK for a while, or had a duel with an enemy player and we let them fight and didn't zerg that enemy down.
Or maybe, just maybe, it's possible we had done some things somewhere else like BM before, and simply didnt wipe there before moving on to BB! That's so weird right?! No way! :O

ScooberSteve

At the end of the day its a game, and if you're not having fun then you should quit

NirnStorm

ScooberSteve wrote: »

At the end of the day its a game, and if your not having fun then you should quit

I don't think there's any comment on this post that somehow indicates someone is not having fun and should quit.
You can have fun and still want to discuss things you don't like, or even complain, this is partially what the forums system is for, and does not mean you're not having fun at all.

Also, you meant you're, not your.

ScooberSteve

Im just saying there is nothing wrong with a bit of farming for fun

NirnStorm

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Im just saying there is nothing wrong with a bit of farming for fun

I did not see any of that in your past comment, but alright.
Actually, I completely agree with you! Let me refer you to my comment above:

NirnStorm wrote: »

I definitely agree with Frozn.
Obviously there is a lot to farming and I get why people do that, hell if I didn't farm myself, even if not very often.
But I really think farming would be best if done at the right timing.
Other than all the fun and AP gain, farming can be a powerful method of distracting enemy players from defending their keeps and outposts that are being taken from them, if it is used right.
And a lot of times EP farming at Nikel are a huge help objective-wise.

Humphie

svartorn wrote: »

Cringe thread.

It is one now for sure.

DHale

I love the forum fiction it always makes me smile. Being in an organized AD group I will tell you we rarely and I mean rarely are in the same spot as other AD organized groups. I can speak for myself we leave a ton of AP on the table moving off objectives when AD has number at any one place. On our raid nights you can bring your 60 plus person ball group of baddies. You will be spending the majority of time looking at a blue screen waiting for your five minutes to be up. I left my pledge group in the middle of the pledge to dethrone the red emp as expected his reign was brief and painful. If it would have been a blue emp I would likely have not stepped foot in cyrodil.

Celas_Dranacea

What's the score for each faction right now? At work and dying to know.

Lord_Draevan

NirnStorm wrote: »

Hey, I'm one of those chevrons! I feel so validated.

Lord_Draevan

As someone who's new to BFTP... I have idea why there's so much drama around this guild

svartorn

Nice, I see my post got deleted.

I guess ZOS approves of harassment in game?

AyeshaBelladonna

Wow, I don't get why this has devolved from what seems like a reasonable discussion to the equivalent of school-yard bullying. Going back to OP..... I was there for that mess, and Nikel aside....We just didn't have enough numbers, organized or otherwise. As much as id like to say Nikel was untimely given what else was going on i think a larger part of the problem was actually folks constantly running back for KC or Farragut and abandoning those of us trying to take back Chal and sej. when we don't have our own scrolls and we don't have Emp all we really need to do then is hold Arrius and get our scrolls imo. I get what many of you are getting at about AP farming vs objectives ect, but it seemed in this instance it was more constantly losing support because of 2 keeps that didn't matter really at the time. AND BEFORE I GET YELLED AT for contradicting myself... I'm just saying if a group is already doing something, don't run off to 'save KC' when there is no reason to, unless you are defending Arrius or going for a scroll there is no reason to ditch folks in the middle of an undertaking already underway.

Celas_Dranacea

AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »

Wow, I don't get why this has devolved from what seems like a reasonable discussion to the equivalent of school-yard bullying. Going back to OP..... I was there for that mess, and Nikel aside....We just didn't have enough numbers, organized or otherwise. As much as id like to say Nikel was untimely given what else was going on i think a larger part of the problem was actually folks constantly running back for KC or Farragut and abandoning those of us trying to take back Chal and sej. when we don't have our own scrolls and we don't have Emp all we really need to do then is hold Arrius and get our scrolls imo. I get what many of you are getting at about AP farming vs objectives ect, but it seemed in this instance it was more constantly losing support because of 2 keeps that didn't matter really at the time. AND BEFORE I GET YELLED AT for contradicting myself... I'm just saying if a group is already doing something, don't run off to 'save KC' when there is no reason to, unless you are defending Arrius or going for a scroll there is no reason to ditch folks in the middle of an undertaking already underway.

Hmm I'm trying to interpret what all this means as I logged on just to take a look at the map around when red was running that scroll, and the map looked like the OP's photo. Haven't been on since and having played the map for AD a lot this weekend, I feel invested.

What happened in the following 2-3 hours? Last I saw red was pushing hard and I hope AD was able to hold our own.

Lord_Draevan

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »

Wow, I don't get why this has devolved from what seems like a reasonable discussion to the equivalent of school-yard bullying. Going back to OP..... I was there for that mess, and Nikel aside....We just didn't have enough numbers, organized or otherwise. As much as id like to say Nikel was untimely given what else was going on i think a larger part of the problem was actually folks constantly running back for KC or Farragut and abandoning those of us trying to take back Chal and sej. when we don't have our own scrolls and we don't have Emp all we really need to do then is hold Arrius and get our scrolls imo. I get what many of you are getting at about AP farming vs objectives ect, but it seemed in this instance it was more constantly losing support because of 2 keeps that didn't matter really at the time. AND BEFORE I GET YELLED AT for contradicting myself... I'm just saying if a group is already doing something, don't run off to 'save KC' when there is no reason to, unless you are defending Arrius or going for a scroll there is no reason to ditch folks in the middle of an undertaking already underway.

AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »

Wow, I don't get why this has devolved from what seems like a reasonable discussion to the equivalent of school-yard bullying. Going back to OP..... I was there for that mess, and Nikel aside....We just didn't have enough numbers, organized or otherwise. As much as id like to say Nikel was untimely given what else was going on i think a larger part of the problem was actually folks constantly running back for KC or Farragut and abandoning those of us trying to take back Chal and sej. when we don't have our own scrolls and we don't have Emp all we really need to do then is hold Arrius and get our scrolls imo. I get what many of you are getting at about AP farming vs objectives ect, but it seemed in this instance it was more constantly losing support because of 2 keeps that didn't matter really at the time. AND BEFORE I GET YELLED AT for contradicting myself... I'm just saying if a group is already doing something, don't run off to 'save KC' when there is no reason to, unless you are defending Arrius or going for a scroll there is no reason to ditch folks in the middle of an undertaking already underway.

Hmm I'm trying to interpret what all this means as I logged on just to take a look at the map around when red was running that scroll, and the map looked like the OP's photo. Haven't been on since and having played the map for AD a lot this weekend, I feel invested.

What happened in the following 2-3 hours? Last I saw red was pushing hard and I hope AD was able to hold our own.

After that picture was taken, not much. I logged off about 4 hours after it was taken and EP still hadn't gotten our Scrolls back, but we retook Chalman.

AyeshaBelladonna

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

Hmm I'm trying to interpret what all this means as I logged on just to take a look at the map around when red was running that scroll, and the map looked like the OP's photo. Haven't been on since and having played the map for AD a lot this weekend, I feel invested.

What happened in the following 2-3 hours? Last I saw red was pushing hard and I hope AD was able to hold our own.

right after this, resources started flagging again around kc and farr and everytime they did or someone hollered about siege up on those two keeps everyone went running. we got left out in the cold twice at chat over it and again at sej. if it had bee arrays id have understood it, or when they we for our scroll i started down to help the run back with a small group but as soon as they hollered KC again folks turned around and left the scroll guys with no reinforcements. it was very frustrating to get ditched like that. We shouldn't all have to be in the same 2-3 guilds to know what everyone is planning to do imo. i miss the days of Walks as Emp when we were doing really well because everyone was communicating and working together, big group, small group, and lone players. we all knew where to go when and why and it worked. this afternoon? not much has changed except the AD zergfest seems content @ alessia atm. so yeah, you guys are doing fine. lol

Celas_Dranacea

AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

Hmm I'm trying to interpret what all this means as I logged on just to take a look at the map around when red was running that scroll, and the map looked like the OP's photo. Haven't been on since and having played the map for AD a lot this weekend, I feel invested.

What happened in the following 2-3 hours? Last I saw red was pushing hard and I hope AD was able to hold our own.

right after this, resources started flagging again around kc and farr and everytime they did or someone hollered about siege up on those two keeps everyone went running. we got left out in the cold twice at chat over it and again at sej. if it had bee arrays id have understood it, or when they we for our scroll i started down to help the run back with a small group but as soon as they hollered KC again folks turned around and left the scroll guys with no reinforcements. it was very frustrating to get ditched like that. We shouldn't all have to be in the same 2-3 guilds to know what everyone is planning to do imo. i miss the days of Walks as Emp when we were doing really well because everyone was communicating and working together, big group, small group, and lone players. we all knew where to go when and why and it worked. this afternoon? not much has changed except the AD zergfest seems content @ alessia atm. so yeah, you guys are doing fine. lol

Well, sorry you guys are having a hard time. From an outside perspective, at times Red has looked very strong and coordinated, hence why we are working so hard to keep you in check!

Everyone, keep up the fun and respect on all sides.

AyeshaBelladonna

[/quote]

Well, sorry you guys are having a hard time. From an outside perspective, at times Red has looked very strong and coordinated, hence why we are working so hard to keep you in check!

Everyone, keep up the fun and respect on all sides.[/quote]

Appreciated, Much to you all too! Keep having fun out there! (and maybe send smaller raids please. lol)

antihero727

maxjapank wrote: »

I thought that this was going to be about the huge yellow Zerg that was fighting around Chal later. AD has been feeding it's pop genetically modified rations or preaching pro-life. The numbers your forces put on the field at one place is amazing. I felt like I was in a foreign country.

I hope your not an EP saying this because past cycles are forgotten quickly. EP the faction of short term memory loss.

maxjapank

antihero727 wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

I thought that this was going to be about the huge yellow Zerg that was fighting around Chal later. AD has been feeding it's pop genetically modified rations or preaching pro-life. The numbers your forces put on the field at one place is amazing. I felt like I was in a foreign country.

I hope your not an EP saying this because past cycles are forgotten quickly. EP the faction of short term memory loss.

Naw mate. Not EP. Was born and raised AD. Moved to DC. The grass was greener, or bluer for that matter. Relinquished my AD citizenship a few months back. Will live the remainder of my years fighting for my new home.

frozywozy

DHale wrote: »

I love the forum fiction it always makes me smile. Being in an organized AD group I will tell you we rarely and I mean rarely are in the same spot as other AD organized groups. I can speak for myself we leave a ton of AP on the table moving off objectives when AD has number at any one place. On our raid nights you can bring your 60 plus person ball group of baddies. You will be spending the majority of time looking at a blue screen waiting for your five minutes to be up. I left my pledge group in the middle of the pledge to dethrone the red emp as expected his reign was brief and painful. If it would have been a blue emp I would likely have not stepped foot in cyrodil.

Thanks for stepping up in the game as soon as possible to dethrone and make the emperor reign as short as possible with as much lag as possible (between 500ms and 1k ms spikes) for the whole duration giving no chance to defend it. That was alot of fun to enjoy those 5 seconds weapon swaps after so much hard work to be on top of the leaderboard. Please bring your zerg guilds everyday. It is the way the game was intended to be played after all.

svartorn

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

As someone who's new to BFTP... I have idea why there's so much drama around this guild

@Lord_Draevan It's the leadership. They spreads lies and slander about other players and tries to control who his guildies and former guildies are allowed to play with. There's a reason nearly every one of his officers have quit the guild.

Darnathian

frozywozy wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

I love the forum fiction it always makes me smile. Being in an organized AD group I will tell you we rarely and I mean rarely are in the same spot as other AD organized groups. I can speak for myself we leave a ton of AP on the table moving off objectives when AD has number at any one place. On our raid nights you can bring your 60 plus person ball group of baddies. You will be spending the majority of time looking at a blue screen waiting for your five minutes to be up. I left my pledge group in the middle of the pledge to dethrone the red emp as expected his reign was brief and painful. If it would have been a blue emp I would likely have not stepped foot in cyrodil.

Thanks for stepping up in the game as soon as possible to dethrone and make the emperor reign as short as possible with as much lag as possible (between 500ms and 1k ms spikes) for the whole duration giving no chance to defend it. That was alot of fun to enjoy those 5 seconds weapon swaps after so much hard work to be on top of the leaderboard. Please bring your zerg guilds everyday. It is the way the game was intended to be played after all.

Tissue?

Lord_Draevan

svartorn wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

As someone who's new to BFTP... I have idea why there's so much drama around this guild

@Lord_Draevan It's the leadership. Ruerock spreads lies and slander about other players and tries to control who his guildies and former guildies are allowed to play with. There's a reason nearly every one of his officers have quit the guild.

Must have been before I joined 3 months ago, I've seen the same 5-6 officers the whole time I've been with BFTP.
Either way I tend to just play the game and not get involved in guild drama.

DHale

frozywozy wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

I love the forum fiction it always makes me smile. Being in an organized AD group I will tell you we rarely and I mean rarely are in the same spot as other AD organized groups. I can speak for myself we leave a ton of AP on the table moving off objectives when AD has number at any one place. On our raid nights you can bring your 60 plus person ball group of baddies. You will be spending the majority of time looking at a blue screen waiting for your five minutes to be up. I left my pledge group in the middle of the pledge to dethrone the red emp as expected his reign was brief and painful. If it would have been a blue emp I would likely have not stepped foot in cyrodil.

Thanks for stepping up in the game as soon as possible to dethrone and make the emperor reign as short as possible with as much lag as possible (between 500ms and 1k ms spikes) for the whole duration giving no chance to defend it. That was alot of fun to enjoy those 5 seconds weapon swaps after so much hard work to be on top of the leaderboard. Please bring your zerg guilds everyday. It is the way the game was intended to be played after all.

Honestly, as much time as the Emp spent in mist form and line of sighting I am surprised the lag was noticeable but I am very appreciative for the Emp slayer achievement in his last keep minutes before AD took it. GF