Solo PVP - no choice but NB?

ManDraKE

Cloak is not what make nighblades good for solo PvP, fear is. 1vX with an AoE Hard CC is game changing, and that is why nighblades are the best class for solo pvp. I could remove cloak of my bar and still be effective as solo player, i use cloak mostly to burst damage, no to run away (with the current state of cloak, you can't trust your life to it, it will get you kill most of the times)

Magika sorc is the 2nd best imo, streak is really powerful (but you get *** by things like encase or talons). Also shields are being wiped in 1 or 2 hits, so is way harder than last patch, but if your AC is on point, is very viable.

Tried stamplar as solo, but i didn't manage to make it work, in 1vX i had no way of take people off me. I know that there are some really good stamplar players that can make it work, but is still harder compared to stamblade imo, stamplars shine in small groups, not in solo.

thankyourat

Saltypretzels wrote: »

Did a lot of DK pvp, some templar pvp... But first time I went into Cyrodil as a nightblade it was like easy mode compared to those classes.

Cloak is amazing. Get even decent magic regen and you can perma cloak and escape almost any situation. Really good for a solo pvp'er.

Lol we must be using two different cloaks. I can't cloak away from anyone as soon as I cloak I get hit by 4 gap closers and a dizzying swing. And I'm a magic nightblade so I can spam cloak. Also I don't feel cloaking out of a situation is a win. Yea you got away but your targets are still alive

Actually_Goku

When people say cloak is broken, what do you mean? It doesn't fire, or you don't disappear? I've never seen any issue with it. I don't doubt it's an issue but I've never seen it personally is all. Pls explain?

Blud

Actually_Goku wrote: »

The burst, CC and sustain is unmatched in PVP. I've only levelled a stamblade to level 22 and I'm already consistently beating higher level players (I am in Blackwater Blade for this character though) but I hate myself for it

I know what you mean. My stamblade just wrecks in pvp except v skilled stamblades or highly skilled players of other classes. But against the average non-NB, it's pretty brutal. I can't play it. It feels like exploiting. I feel like I'm punching way over my weight and also making the problem of ALL NB PVP worse.

StamBlade spam shows up way more than 50% of the time in my death report.

thankyourat

Actually_Goku wrote: »

When people say cloak is broken, what do you mean? It doesn't fire, or you don't disappear? I've never seen any issue with it. I don't doubt it's an issue but I've never seen it personally is all. Pls explain?

Single target abilities are breaking cloak now and every gap closer breaks it aswell. Also after the last maintenance patch my fear doesn't work half the time either

Edziu

thankyourat wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

When people say cloak is broken, what do you mean? It doesn't fire, or you don't disappear? I've never seen any issue with it. I don't doubt it's an issue but I've never seen it personally is all. Pls explain?

Single target abilities are breaking cloak now and every gap closer breaks it aswell. Also after the last maintenance patch my fear doesn't work half the time either

+half of dots are destroing cloak...for exaple just this set Vicecannon of Venom ((5 items) Your attacks from stealth inject a leeching poison that deals 13936 Poison Damage over 15 seconds and heals you for the damage done.)
you will be instantly removed from cloak with poison from this set on you

to much *** poison from last patches

Volrion

I just gank constantly. I lag out too hard to do anything else.

Barlthump

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

This is sad... This is really, really, really, sad... Who'd have ever thought that the day would come where to be competitive in PVP, you HAD to play as a Nightblade of sorts. Whether it be magicka or stamina. And yet, people will argue night and day of how Nightblades are balanced and all the classes are equal...

This is not good, and things will only grow worse — unless Nigtblades and stamina classes as a whole get "checked" and or "fixed". Please do something about this ZOS devs. @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel

Dude nightblades are fine. Buff the other classes is what I say. It's quite lame when people keep comparing to nightblades and we have to keep defending our views. Why not instead talk about how to make other classes better? I see DKs wrecking face daily, I myself have a tanky sustain dk who can hold the line. Stop only thinking about QQ damage and start working with your class benefits. For example I run fasallas and black rose, insane sustain and I drain the opponent of his resources so he can't purge my dots anymore. In group play I'm the tanky CC guy who spams talons and locks *** down. It's all a matter of perspective. If you only want to do DPS then re roll a ASSASSIN (nightblade) and not a BRUISER (Dragonknight)

Toc de Malsvi

Actually_Goku wrote: »

When people say cloak is broken, what do you mean? It doesn't fire, or you don't disappear? I've never seen any issue with it. I don't doubt it's an issue but I've never seen it personally is all. Pls explain?

Usually I find it is because they do not realize they are being detected. I often use detect pots and its silly how many times a NB will try to spam cloak right next to me as I keep hitting them.

Another issue is that many skills cannot be cloaked such that if they were activated prior to you using cloak they will still hit you. So with some lag it is easy to think you are able to cloak but keep getting knocked out of cloak when in fact you are trying to cloak through abilities that have already been fired on you and are going to immediately remove you from cloak. Cloak works best when your internet and client performance are top notch, much like everything else in this game.

I've had no issues with cloak outside of times where I am noticeably lagging.

thankyourat

Edziu wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

When people say cloak is broken, what do you mean? It doesn't fire, or you don't disappear? I've never seen any issue with it. I don't doubt it's an issue but I've never seen it personally is all. Pls explain?

Single target abilities are breaking cloak now and every gap closer breaks it aswell. Also after the last maintenance patch my fear doesn't work half the time either

+half of dots are destroing cloak...for exaple just this set Vicecannon of Venom ((5 items) Your attacks from stealth inject a leeching poison that deals 13936 Poison Damage over 15 seconds and heals you for the damage done.)
you will be instantly removed from cloak with poison from this set on you

to much *** poison from last patches

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

When people say cloak is broken, what do you mean? It doesn't fire, or you don't disappear? I've never seen any issue with it. I don't doubt it's an issue but I've never seen it personally is all. Pls explain?

Usually I find it is because they do not realize they are being detected. I often use detect pots and its silly how many times a NB will try to spam cloak right next to me as I keep hitting them.

Another issue is that many skills cannot be cloaked such that if they were activated prior to you using cloak they will still hit you. So with some lag it is easy to think you are able to cloak but keep getting knocked out of cloak when in fact you are trying to cloak through abilities that have already been fired on you and are going to immediately remove you from cloak. Cloak works best when your internet and client performance are top notch, much like everything else in this game.

I've had no issues with cloak outside of times where I am noticeably lagging.

That's true about lag a detect pots but if you cloak a single target ability after it's been used that ability is suppose to miss. Like if someone winds up a dizzying swing if I cloak before it hits me it is suppose to miss same thing with gap closers crit rush isn't suppose to break cloak but it is. ZOS said it will be fixed in this next patch. Here's hoping

RedFireDisco

I quit my StamDK to Reuse my StamBlade and the burst is great, I don't think I've been killed by a DK.

Templars on the other hand, spamming jesus beam... Damn.

Honestly, I come across these temps and I have a fully spec'd (gold armor/undaunted passives/theorycrafted) character and I can't seem to understand how I can hit them with ten shots when my WD is 4800 buffed, only to not kill them, but they can 3 shot me using J-beam.


I seriously think Templar is a good solo class. So much heal. Best execute. 6% more weapon damage at all times, reduced ult cost. Shards.

IcyDeadPeople

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Another issue is that many skills cannot be cloaked such that if they were activated prior to you using cloak they will still hit you. So with some lag it is easy to think you are able to cloak but keep getting knocked out of cloak when in fact you are trying to cloak through abilities that have already been fired on you and are going to immediately remove you from cloak.

According to PTS patch notes this is broken, not intended at all and is supposed to be fixed next update.

Wind-up attacks like snipe, dizzying swing, many gap closers as well are not supposed to be hitting you if you cloak after the initial key is pressed by the enemy player but before the attack lands. The attack is supposed to miss.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH

Combat & Gameplay

Nightblade

• Shadow
  • Shadow Cloak: Fixed an issue where the invisibility granted by this ability and its morphs was being broken by certain cast time and charge abilities, such as Uppercut and Critical Charge.

ScottK1994

You just do you. Cyrodiil won't be won by a single person so it doesn't matter too much. You seem more suited to battlegrounds though. I hope they come out sooner rather than later. I want to PvP doing things like capture the flag or small fun games. The whole either taking 7 or 30 days to win is kind of dull to me.

a1i3nz

No no no. Just no.

I've seen every class played "OP" in solo PVP. A lot of it just has to do with understanding every classes strengths and weaknesses. I thought for a while that magicka dk had the hardest time, but last night I went up against one (OG Snipa) and he was freaking good. Gg if ur reading this btw.

Now if you are speced for bombing, that's a different story. My bomber has one single target ability slotted. And it's mainly just for stealth speed xD

Eshelmen

My Templar is more than capable of soloing in Cyrodiil. Since my new build, I've never been killed before I can retaliate to change the odds. Bring on your sorcs and NBS. Bring on your stealth abilities that you call "skillful". I'll be standing right here watching you(and laughing) as you dance like a bafoon, in and out of stealth.

Max resistances, excellent recovery, jabs, shards, and breath of life = LOL@ Nightblades

ScottK1994

Apparently you're not class locked. Solo or group PvP it doesn't matter to me. The objectives are the important thing right? If you like the objectives then it's good.

But for me I'm not sure I'm into cyrodiil too much. I keep trying to enter Imperial city to see if the PvP is fun there but last time I went to the eastern entrance it was invisible?

Edziu

thankyourat wrote: »

That's true about lag a detect pots but if you cloak a single target ability after it's been used that ability is suppose to miss. Like if someone winds up a dizzying swing if I cloak before it hits me it is suppose to miss same thing with gap closers crit rush isn't suppose to break cloak but it is. ZOS said it will be fixed in this next patch. Here's hoping

yee.....

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

According to PTS patch notes this is broken, not intended at all and is supposed to be fixed next update.

Wind-up attacks like snipe, dizzying swing, many gap closers as well are not supposed to be hitting you if you cloak after the initial key is pressed by the enemy player but before the attack lands. The attack is supposed to miss.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH

Combat & Gameplay

Nightblade

• Shadow
  • Shadow Cloak: Fixed an issue where the invisibility granted by this ability and its morphs was being broken by certain cast time and charge abilities, such as Uppercut and Critical Charge.

just some main fixed and skill still broken...just like templar gap closer -.-

broken for months...ater so much months they just

they just give you option to cancel animation of not working skill with magica/stamina burn for this to be able to use other skill when it not work

History likes repeat itself....with another form

hamgatan

RedFireDisco wrote: »

Honestly, I come across these temps and I have a fully spec'd (gold armor/undaunted passives/theorycrafted) character and I can't seem to understand how I can hit them with ten shots when my WD is 4800 buffed, only to not kill them, but they can 3 shot me using J-beam.

in 1v1 there are very few players that can drop me on BWB on my magplar tank. a few nightblades have done it but they keep spamming the same crap over and over and running off and hiding when the scales tip against them. it doesn't surprise me you can't drop them. a well built magplar doesn't drop that easily.

unfortunately PvP is just not 1v1 95% of the the time. The reality is its 7-10 spamblades all rushing one guy mashing snipe or spambush (or 50 if you're a japanese player). In the worst cases its 3-4 all exploiting bombard mechanics stacking snares and permarooting.

Thats why OP feels you have to be a spamblade because the highest proportion of mechanics-exploitive player base is spamblades.

Skinzz

Nightblades are suppose to hit hard in general. Why do people complain about a class thats suppose to be about asassinations lol

Strider_Roshin

It's actually easier to 1vX with a stam sorc IMO. I have to try a lot harder to do it with my Nightblade. I'm not saying Stam Sorcs are OP because of this; that's just how I see it. I've also seen 2 magicka Templars take on zergs while standing still and spamming one button. To me, that's OP.

Brutusmax1mus

I have a stamina and magicka version of every class.. every class type is strong when played correctly with well thought out builds.

Actually_Goku

All this discussion aside, it's good to see a return of tanks in PVP... I was using my Imperial Stam DK and running a small duo with a friend, who uses an Altmer sorc, and we went 2v1 with this Nord DK tank for about 5 minutes, got his health down to about 30% at it's lowest point. He didn't get either of us below 50%, but we were throwing everything at him... I ended up just saluting him and leaving him alone out of respect...

And mind you, me and my friend successfully 2v4'd his group while he stayed out of the fight. I was super impressed, and now I'm definitely going to roll a tank in the future. Can't remember his name but kudos to you if you recognise my name and are reading