Solo PVP - no choice but NB?

yodased

All classes can effectively solo pvp, but not all classes can handle the multi enemy fights you will continually find yourself in equally.

DK's mitigate cc and dot. Stam dk can burst from weapon.
Templars mitigate heal and burst
Nightblades cloak dodge and burst
Sorcs shield streak and burst

Pick your poison

Lord_Eomer

J4YDEE wrote: »

I'm a nightblade, I'm crap, regularly getting killed as Im just starting in pvp, want that healing self skill!!!!
If your on Xb1 eu, see J4Y DEE - easy kill.

Use vigor for stamina and healing ward as magicka.

Also use Major Evasion (medium armor skill or Night Blade Assassination Skill), this is must for PVP.

It really works good and you will survive long In battle.

magictucktuck

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

If ZOS removed the terrible rage inducing unnecessary and terribly designed UNPURGABLE SNARE on every gap closer, you could go back to soloing again on other classes.

Every day in PvP when I get targeted by multiple people and am held in place until they connect I wonder why this terrible curse was put into the game. Gap closers missing was never a problem. It's fixing something that wasn't broken and it really hurt open world solo builds while buffing zergs.

Now I may be wrong but hasn't this been removed? I have not been "stuck" in a while and if me and someone gap close each other we end up where the other was and have to gap close again.

Clarkieson

Actually_Goku wrote: »

This is mostly solo PVP.

Since I've came back to playing ESO - I've been primarily playing on a Stam DK. The class is nice, definitely above average and an absolute beast for PVE, however I find in PVP the reliance on WRECKINGBLOWSPAM as our only real source of burst DPS to be terrible, especially with the lag I've been experiencing lately.

Mag DK - this is my main, and as far as solo PVP, I might as well be walking around with a big-a$$ sign saying "please kill me because I can't attack you unless you're 5 feet from me".

Magplar - actually not bad, especially with Vamp, but no real burst despite RD execute. Feels more like a utility build than a solo PVP one.

I had a magicka sorc named Auri-Elf which I rage deleted because of shield nerf. I now regret this

Basically what I'm getting at, it almost seems as though you HAVE to play Stamblade if you're a solo PVP player. The burst, CC and sustain is unmatched in PVP. I've only levelled a stamblade to level 22 and I'm already consistently beating higher level players (I am in Blackwater Blade for this character though) but I hate myself for it

So can people with more build and PVP experience recommend; turn to the dark side and keep rolling Stamblade, or hope I keep running into players with L2P issues that can't remove my Stam DK DOT's?

Blues on the EU PS4 server solo PVP, all of them so im told.

talk to one of them they will tell you how its done

ku5h

Molag_Crow wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cloak is broke, stam nb is about as useful as every other stam class to solo

Not with the right players. There's NBs on our campaign who can literally take out a large group solo.

Then that large group is terrible. I mean, one Piercing Mark or well placed Caltrops and NB is dead, no matter who you are or how good you play. NB just cant 1vX without cloak, specially large group.

susmitds

ku5h wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Cloak is broke, stam nb is about as useful as every other stam class to solo

Not with the right players. There's NBs on our campaign who can literally take out a large group solo.

Then that large group is terrible. I mean, one Piercing Mark or well placed Caltrops and NB is dead, no matter who you are or how good you play. NB just cant 1vX without cloak, specially large group.

Damn wrong, I run a dodgeblade, I take focused fire from a 10+ group over 5 min and usually by that time, I already pick off most of them.

KenaPKK

My subjective solo PvP tier list, as a solo PvPer:

Mag sorc
Stam Templar
Stam NB
Stam DK
Mag Nb
Stam sorc
Mag Templar
Mag DK

Based on mobility and defensive utility options available once they've built enough damage to kill.

TheHyperion

The only viable class in pvp is stamblade

subtlezeroub17_ESO

juhasman wrote: »

,,Stand in line and wait for Your turn"- #balance by zenimax.

To be fair, that is all MMO's. Not just Zenimax.

Didaco

Stamblades are no better than any other stamina class.
Cloak is so broken, everthing gets you out of stealth, it's just a waste of a skill slot. You might just replace that skill with evasion, which is the real pvp-killer imho.

So yeah, if you plan to go stam, just slot evasion and you'll see that ypur survivability in 1vXs will skyrocket.

I can clearly see big differencies between having evasion or not when I 1vX, and I have to say that I suck at pvp.

Stamblades excel at ganking. That's all.
Survive the initial burst and your set.

Bromburak

Dracane wrote: »

All stamina builds are great for solo pvp.

I stronlgy disagree, most of the builds are work around by players using external abilities
because some classes simply don't provide proper morphs.

So the question is how many class skills each class is able to use.
If you compare the choice as a Stam NB with a Stam Sorc for example
you will understand the core issues in class design depending on resource.

IcyDeadPeople

Stamina and Magicka NB certainly have some advantages for ganking, but any class can play solo and even gank successfully. You just need to be selective with your targets if you lack mobility and cloak. Wait for that large group to pass and gank the last guy, or wait until only one or two people ride by on a horse. You are at a huge advantage when you knock someone off their horse, it's unbreakable CC, all you need to do is have enough burst damage to kill them by the time they stand up.

Source: I've been playing mostly solo and ganking on Stam DK, Magicka DK, Stam NB, Mag NB and Mag Templar since launch. My PC is low end, so frame rate is horrible if I play near large groups or keeps under siege. So I mostly stick to ganking in between keeps.

Aisle9

Funny how people that are not playing NBs keep saying "NBs OP, they wreck zergs, NB can solo cyro" and people that actually play a NB are like "lolwut? are we playing the same game?"

Cloak is broken, and, even if it wasn't, it costs 4k magicka, so, in what universe you can cloak indefinitely AND still be able to burst ?

The only solo PvP you can do with a NB is to play gankblade. Is that what you mean by solo PvP ? because that's not solo PvP, that's just sad, waiting in stealth for someone on horseback to pass through so you can kill it before it could get up, wee, much fun, such pvp. And if you can't kill with one burst, better run, cause otherwise you'll be dead.

I play a stamblade, a magblade and a stamsorc, do you know which one has the best survivability ? Yeah, the stamsorc, even as level 45 with no Impen.

Ambush doesn't snare, Lotus fan does. Ambush is a hard CC, if you already broke free, you're immune.

NBs have plenty of snares... like, you know... cripple... because, yep, that's pretty much it, lotus fan, cripple and the bow thingy from merciless resolve (mag morph, relentless focus does't snare) that you need to hit 4 times with light attacks to proc... no other snares... and two are only viable if you play a magicka nb, the other costs 3k magicka and it's stupidly easy to dodge... and they're all single target... not at all like DKs that can talon everything in sight or temps that can drop an AOE snare, ofc, totally OP, all dem NB snares...

Btw, the stamsorc has better survivability and it's more fun to play, imho, but the only solo PvP you will do with ANY class, is against scrubs, because there's no way you can take more than one good player at once playing ANY class.

IcyDeadPeople

Agree regarding cloak, it seems rather buggy and many abilities that should miss if you cloak before they land instead hit you and break the stealth.

Has anyone tested cloak on PTS? Supposedly some of those wind-up attacks like snipe, dizzying swing, etc., are no longer able to break cloak, but it would be nice to know for certain.

danisonfire1994

I've made a thread about this before, reason why ZOS wont make a 1v1 Arena. Because ZOS personally knows how unbalanced the classes are in this game is.

Dromede

Bad_Company wrote: »

This "Nightblades are OP, n3rf or I HAVE TO play them/unsubscribe!!one!11!" thing is seriously dumb. Nightblades are NOT OP. If you people die to NBs is because you don't know how to fight them.

That being said, I promise you any class can be good in PVP as long as you can play it well enough. Even MagDK. Also, it's not true that in order to succeed you have to pick either NB or Sorc, it depends on so many things other than your class. Go out there, do some PVP, find a strategy and a playstyle that fit the situation.

And please, for God's sake, stop saying NBs are unbalanced. What's unbalanced is MagDK, which is generally underperforming in comparison to other magicka classes. That's all.

I don't think that nightblades are OP, i'd call them more intuitive to play of sorts.

Example - i suck at pvp with both my main sorc and magicka templar. I don't farm pvp gear, or have a decent pvp rotation. But yesterday i was able to kill quite a lot of players 1v1, especially after having Vigor unlocked. And ganking is far too easy and intuitive - any noob with a bow will know what to do without any training or effort.

Egonieser

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

If ZOS removed the terrible rage inducing unnecessary and terribly designed UNPURGABLE SNARE on every gap closer, you could go back to soloing again on other classes.

Every day in PvP when I get targeted by multiple people and am held in place until they connect I wonder why this terrible curse was put into the game. Gap closers missing was never a problem. It's fixing something that wasn't broken and it really hurt open world solo builds while buffing zergs.

ZoS need to tone snares down alltogether, max snare should be 50% on only on skills designed for snares like the inital razor caltrops snare, It's 70% now needs to be 50%.

Snares on gap closers need to go or be capped at 30%.
Snares from templar ritual needs to go.

If people want to snare they should slot a snare and not just have them everywhere.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

If ZOS removed the terrible rage inducing unnecessary and terribly designed UNPURGABLE SNARE on every gap closer, you could go back to soloing again on other classes.

Every day in PvP when I get targeted by multiple people and am held in place until they connect I wonder why this terrible curse was put into the game. Gap closers missing was never a problem. It's fixing something that wasn't broken and it really hurt open world solo builds while buffing zergs.

ZoS need to tone snares down alltogether, max snare should be 50% on only on skills designed for snares like the inital razor caltrops snare, It's 70% now needs to be 50%.

Snares on gap closers need to go or be capped at 30%.
Snares from templar ritual needs to go.

If people want to snare they should slot a snare and not just have them everywhere.

Yep, but the reason gapcloser snares exist is not because it's a intended skill mechanic but it's purposefully that way so the server has to do less pathfinding and coordinate calculations. It's easier to predict where a target is going to be when it moves at slow speed or is stationary than a target that moves at full speed. That's why you often can't gapclose to mounted players even if they are well within gapclose range because it just can't calculate the trajectory that fast and obviously a combination of that + latency + every other existing problem.

A while ago ZoS themselves said this. They said they don't want them to exist but is necessary for gapclosers to work somewhat. Go figure...

ssewallb14_ESO

The base stam toolkit and champion system have what you need for solo PvP, the various class abilities only accentuate the base playstyle in various ways. I think the strongest right now are the two classes with Major mending. That combined with impen stacking, dodge roll, shuffle, hasty retreat, athletics, and already powerful stam heals make you extremely mobile and very hard to kill, especially if you have line of sight.

Bromburak

Btw, the stamsorc has better survivability and it's more fun to play

It totally doesn't matter, Stam Sorc barely uses class skills so you cannot compare this with NB Morph flexibility.
Main reason why players pick a class ...

ZOS doesn't understand that depending on ressource makes class choices questionable.
It's simply a design issue.

Aisle9 wrote: »

The only solo PvP you can do with a NB is to play gankblade. Is that what you mean by solo PvP ? because that's not solo PvP, that's just sad, waiting in stealth for someone on horseback to pass through so you can kill it before it could get up, wee, much fun, such pvp.

Main duty of an Assasin actually. Nothing wrong with that.

And if you can't kill with one burst, better run, cause otherwise you'll be dead.

As Stam NB but not as Magicka NB.

That's all he was saying, as NB you have a choice and the range is between one hit wonder glas canons and last man standing sustain machines. And all that without depending on external skill lines like other classes ...

Wrobel bascially recommends that Stam DKs and Sorc should use weapons.
A statement that confirms the lack of class diversity.

alexkdd99

Aisle9 wrote: »

Funny how people that are not playing NBs keep saying "NBs OP, they wreck zergs, NB can solo cyro" and people that actually play a NB are like "lolwut? are we playing the same game?"

Cloak is broken, and, even if it wasn't, it costs 4k magicka, so, in what universe you can cloak indefinitely AND still be able to burst ?

The only solo PvP you can do with a NB is to play gankblade. Is that what you mean by solo PvP ? because that's not solo PvP, that's just sad, waiting in stealth for someone on horseback to pass through so you can kill it before it could get up, wee, much fun, such pvp. And if you can't kill with one burst, better run, cause otherwise you'll be dead.

I play a stamblade, a magblade and a stamsorc, do you know which one has the best survivability ? Yeah, the stamsorc, even as level 45 with no Impen.

Ambush doesn't snare, Lotus fan does. Ambush is a hard CC, if you already broke free, you're immune.

NBs have plenty of snares... like, you know... cripple... because, yep, that's pretty much it, lotus fan, cripple and the bow thingy from merciless resolve (mag morph, relentless focus does't snare) that you need to hit 4 times with light attacks to proc... no other snares... and two are only viable if you play a magicka nb, the other costs 3k magicka and it's stupidly easy to dodge... and they're all single target... not at all like DKs that can talon everything in sight or temps that can drop an AOE snare, ofc, totally OP, all dem NB snares...

Btw, the stamsorc has better survivability and it's more fun to play, imho, but the only solo PvP you will do with ANY class, is against scrubs, because there's no way you can take more than one good player at once playing ANY class.

Maybe you didn't notice but your first paragraph can be applied to nearly every situation regarding all the classes.

thankyourat

Any stam class will be good at 1vX with stam dk being the best.

incognito222

Out of the three toons I play most for PVP (Stamblade MA, Magplar HA, StamDK HA), I find the most enjoyable to be my main (StamDK HA) as it is more challenging to play, requires more skill , more planning and is not monotonous.

I use S+B (buff / heal bar) and DW (offensive bar). Having lots of fun doing my own thing and not following FOTM builds, doing relatively well as long as I'm not zerged down (which unfortunately happens a lot these days, with half a dozen players or more spamming perma cc skills going after a single opponent). Black Rose + Blood spawn is my preferred setup.

Actually_Goku wrote: »

This is mostly solo PVP.

Since I've came back to playing ESO - I've been primarily playing on a Stam DK. The class is nice, definitely above average and an absolute beast for PVE, however I find in PVP the reliance on WRECKINGBLOWSPAM as our only real source of burst DPS to be terrible, especially with the lag I've been experiencing lately.

Mag DK - this is my main, and as far as solo PVP, I might as well be walking around with a big-a$$ sign saying "please kill me because I can't attack you unless you're 5 feet from me".

Magplar - actually not bad, especially with Vamp, but no real burst despite RD execute. Feels more like a utility build than a solo PVP one.

I had a magicka sorc named Auri-Elf which I rage deleted because of shield nerf. I now regret this

Basically what I'm getting at, it almost seems as though you HAVE to play Stamblade if you're a solo PVP player. The burst, CC and sustain is unmatched in PVP. I've only levelled a stamblade to level 22 and I'm already consistently beating higher level players (I am in Blackwater Blade for this character though) but I hate myself for it

So can people with more build and PVP experience recommend; turn to the dark side and keep rolling Stamblade, or hope I keep running into players with L2P issues that can't remove my Stam DK DOT's?

I actually look forward to being ganked by Nightblades when using my HA StamDK, as the outcome of the fight tends to be in my favor (albeit not always). So, I would humbly disagree that NB's are better. They are admittedly easier to play but IMHO by no means at all the superior (or most fun) choice for solo / small scale PVP.

K4RMA

mdk4lyfe

Mojomonkeyman

The greatest skill to have in solo pvp is awareness & positioning, constantly.

NB toolset will just compensate better for lack of awareness compared to other classes. Even with broken cloak, each splitsecond you make your opponent lose target & sight is a huge advantage in pvp because you have the unique chance to take momentum off your opponent(s) and gain some yourself. Anyone who has played arena pvp on a high level should be aware of that fact.

What I`m trying to say is, work on your (combat) awareness and positioning, not on your class choice and you will be fine (and while doing so naturally improve as a player).

I exclusively solo stamsorc since around 18 months.

Lord_Eomer

incognito222 wrote: »

Out of the three toons I play most for PVP (Stamblade MA, Magplar HA, StamDK HA), I find the most enjoyable to be my main (StamDK HA) as it is more challenging to play, requires more skill , more planning and is not monotonous.

I use S+B (buff / heal bar) and DW (offensive bar). Having lots of fun doing my own thing and not following FOTM builds, doing relatively well as long as I'm not zerged down (which unfortunately happens a lot these days, with half a dozen players or more spamming perma cc skills going after a single opponent). Black Rose + Blood spawn is my preferred setup.

Actually_Goku wrote: »

This is mostly solo PVP.

Since I've came back to playing ESO - I've been primarily playing on a Stam DK. The class is nice, definitely above average and an absolute beast for PVE, however I find in PVP the reliance on WRECKINGBLOWSPAM as our only real source of burst DPS to be terrible, especially with the lag I've been experiencing lately.

Mag DK - this is my main, and as far as solo PVP, I might as well be walking around with a big-a$$ sign saying "please kill me because I can't attack you unless you're 5 feet from me".

Magplar - actually not bad, especially with Vamp, but no real burst despite RD execute. Feels more like a utility build than a solo PVP one.

I had a magicka sorc named Auri-Elf which I rage deleted because of shield nerf. I now regret this

Basically what I'm getting at, it almost seems as though you HAVE to play Stamblade if you're a solo PVP player. The burst, CC and sustain is unmatched in PVP. I've only levelled a stamblade to level 22 and I'm already consistently beating higher level players (I am in Blackwater Blade for this character though) but I hate myself for it

So can people with more build and PVP experience recommend; turn to the dark side and keep rolling Stamblade, or hope I keep running into players with L2P issues that can't remove my Stam DK DOT's?

I actually look forward to being ganked by Nightblades when using my HA StamDK, as the outcome of the fight tends to be in my favor (albeit not always). So, I would humbly disagree that NB's are better. They are admittedly easier to play but IMHO by no means at all the superior (or most fun) choice for solo / small scale PVP.

Yea NB are not very strong, they may deliver initially burst damage but in long fights they die easily.

Any well sustain opponent can kill NB ganker

malchior

Stuns are the main problem in pvp. Majority of the time it's from Sorcs and NBs using rinse and repeat tactics that leave you unable to defend yourself. This kind of play is somewhat underhanded, period.

FearlessOne_2014

As one who have played all of the classes. ATM all of the stamina classes are very good for soloing. This is because sprint, dodge roll, block, and Rapids are only spammable on stamina builds. But yes I have also seen Stamina Nightblades that are able to kill whole zergs two actually. One is on DC and the other one is on AD, those two mostly plays in NA Trueflame. Yes they can rip through 30k health and over 2k crit resist before you can even break the CC and that's not being CC'ed from horseback. Maybe more of a CE problem then a balancing issues, these days it's very hard to tell the difference anymore.

I my opinion if you want to play the class that has the easiest time soloing, without support of any kind from anyone else. Then the best choice is Stamina Nightblade hands down is the easiest for it's role of assassin.(Kill them before they have a chance to react) You'll ofc will have to get so nice gear for it that'll place your weapon damage over 5k and still maintain at least 30k max stamina, do not worry about health because you are a assassin.(The lowest of the low morality fighters)

However if you want to run in a small group or along side a zerg. I find in that case so far every class and playstyle can do well. That being said Non Vampire Stamina users will have a easier time with it then said, Non Vampire Magicka users. With the minor buff to damage on Dark Elf coming why not reroll all your magicka PvP Characters to be Dark Elf Vampires.

Saltypretzels

Did a lot of DK pvp, some templar pvp... But first time I went into Cyrodil as a nightblade it was like easy mode compared to those classes.

Cloak is amazing. Get even decent magic regen and you can perma cloak and escape almost any situation. Really good for a solo pvp'er.

DenMoria

FullBlownBeast wrote: »

Only classes with enough mobility to solo PVP efficiently in most situations are sorc and nightblade. Choose one.

Doesn't it kind of make sense though? Sorcerer and NB are really the only two classes that are solo classes. Generally, neither one are big joiners.

A Templar or a Dragon Knight would inherently be part of a group (probably the Undaunted, where you're obligated to be a group).

From an RP perspective, it kind of makes sense to me.

Lieblingsjunge

Stamina Templar - Stamina DK - Stamblade - Stamsorc. All pretty good solo-classes. They got everything themselves, they don't need to rely on a partner. For Magicka I would say Sorc & NB. Magplars can tank for days but they lack the burst-damage. MagDKs are just in a weak spot right now. Sort of.