Melee Magicka Weapons?!?

DuskMarine

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Melee Magicka Weapons?!?

...magica depends on light armor.

Why would a nerdy mage in lightly armored robes -want- to cast their magic at a range where the burly jock fighter can hit them back???

At best it would be nice to have some hybrid weapon skill line, for hybrid characters. Something like... oh, I dunno, an "one-handed and magic" skill line? Like the one I keep proposing in my weapon skill suggestions?
Of course, for that to work well, hybrid characters might have to be a thing again, and currently... they aren't. Well, not a very effective thing at least (make hybrid builds great again - bring back attribute softcaps!)

go look at castlevania order of ecclesia that main characters weapons are what we need and theyd fit just fine in with the lore as we had weapon summons for the longest time in elder scrolls.

Baconlad

They are lazy...new content is all they care about these days

I mean...we've been wearing purple jewels for four years because of their laziness...why would they give magplars something they could use that synergized with their toolkit?

DuskMarine

Baconlad wrote: »

They are lazy...new content is all they care about these days

i wouldnt call that lazy cause thats what a metric ton of people want is more content.

Ajaxandriel

Sharee wrote: »

An interesting idea. A melee weapon that would scale with magicka and restore magicka with heavy attacks would be very welcome for my melee magicka DK.

This

Spellblades and spellbows

Or a simple feature to turn "restore stamina" into "restore your higher attribute" for all weapons

TheShadowScout

DuskMarine wrote: »

go look at castlevania order of ecclesia that main characters weapons are what we need and theyd fit just fine in with the lore as we had weapon summons for the longest time in elder scrolls.

If you don't tell us what those are, we won't know. I only dimly remember a whip in some ancient castlevania I once played...

As for weapon summons... we have those already, in a way. The red daggers or bow from nightblade skills, the golden spears from templar skills, the fire whip from DK skills, fighters guild crossbow or dawnbreaker, etc.

Or if you meant summoned weapons, well, those wouild -not- be "magical weapons", but magica-summoned stamina weapons. You'd magic up a sword, and then use stamina skills to hit someone with it, that's how it worked for those back in old TES games, and that's how it'd work in ESO, only that those summoned weapons would come without set bonus, without rune enchantment and without temper improvement, so noone but NPCs would use them...

But the basic difference between "stamina weapon" and "magica weapon" is what you use to make it hit harder.

• Stamina weapons like swords and such are supposed to rely on a characters bulging muscles and physical prowess to do their damage.
• Magica weapons like spells and such are supposed to rely on a characters sharp mind and mystic power to do their damage.

Now, a "melee magica" -weapon- would not be "magic up a axe, then hit someone with it" as I underastand it, but a magica-based weapon for melee ranges. Which brings us back full circle:

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Why would a nerdy mage in lightly armored robes -want- to cast their magic at a range where the burly jock fighter can hit them back???

I mean, bringing a gun to a knifefight makes no sense if you only use it at knife range, right? Because that's how you get stabbed as well, right? So, at best, there ought to be either some hybrid "sword in one hand, magic in the other" skill line, or a magic caster skill line that's somewhere between "staff range" and "knife range", perhaps with a "twin-fisted magic" approach...

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Like the one I keep proposing in my weapon skill suggestions?

And here we are again

AcadianPaladin

Magicka melee? Yeah, my magplar already has that with her sweeping spear of light.

HaruKamui

My magplar is basically melee even while using a lightning staff with sweeps being the main spammable.

DuskMarine

TheShadowScout wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

go look at castlevania order of ecclesia that main characters weapons are what we need and theyd fit just fine in with the lore as we had weapon summons for the longest time in elder scrolls.

If you don't tell us what those are, we won't know. I only dimly remember a whip in some ancient castlevania I once played...

As for weapon summons... we have those already, in a way. The red daggers or bow from nightblade skills, the golden spears from templar skills, the fire whip from DK skills, fighters guild crossbow or dawnbreaker, etc.

Or if you meant summoned weapons, well, those wouild -not- be "magical weapons", but magica-summoned stamina weapons. You'd magic up a sword, and then use stamina skills to hit someone with it, that's how it worked for those back in old TES games, and that's how it'd work in ESO, only that those summoned weapons would come without set bonus, without rune enchantment and without temper improvement, so noone but NPCs would use them...

But the basic difference between "stamina weapon" and "magica weapon" is what you use to make it hit harder.

• Stamina weapons like swords and such are supposed to rely on a characters bulging muscles and physical prowess to do their damage.
• Magica weapons like spells and such are supposed to rely on a characters sharp mind and mystic power to do their damage.

Now, a "melee magica" -weapon- would not be "magic up a axe, then hit someone with it" as I underastand it, but a magica-based weapon for melee ranges. Which brings us back full circle:

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Why would a nerdy mage in lightly armored robes -want- to cast their magic at a range where the burly jock fighter can hit them back???

I mean, bringing a gun to a knifefight makes no sense if you only use it at knife range, right? Because that's how you get stabbed as well, right? So, at best, there ought to be either some hybrid "sword in one hand, magic in the other" skill line, or a magic caster skill line that's somewhere between "staff range" and "knife range", perhaps with a "twin-fisted magic" approach...

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Like the one I keep proposing in my weapon skill suggestions?

And here we are again

that specific castlevania game has the weapons im refering to. ranging from rapiers to beams of light that you can use as a beam or sword if you equip 2 of them.

PlagueSD

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

There are only 2 Weapon Skill Lines out of 6 with Magicka abilities and focus on Magic and Magicka. The fact the rest are Stamina and focus on Melee actually counteracts the serious lack of Stamina-based Class Skills.

They cover each other basically, and if Weapon Skills are not an issue you can easily use Dual Wield or 1h + Shield for what they offer as items and not skill lines.

Right, because mages don't focus on "weapon skills" so it makes sense. A lot of the magicka skill are class skills anyway. Stamina characters (fighters) focus on weapon skill usage. Magicka characters (Mages/Healers) focus on class skill usage.

Irfind

Ajaxandriel wrote: »

This

Spellblades and spellbows

Or a simple feature to turn "restore stamina" into "restore your higher attribute" for all weapons

My magicka dk would love this, she is basically melee too.

Enslaved

Melee magicka weapons could be some sort of flails imbured with magicka (for tanky ppl) or some sort of spectral/conjured weapons. Who knows, maybe even quaterstaves with fun design.
These staves could have different effects, taken from other weapon skill lines we have. For example, these could transform into a weaker version of elemental staff wielded by 1h, ofc. On the other hand, the could transform into one handed sword, having the way to use regular 1h&s skill like pierce armor, heroic slash and similar. Only thing these modular weapons should not do is to be on same power level as normal weapons of that type. This would give benefits to magicka melee users and for a magicka cost instead of stamina, yet there will still be some sort of balance.

Chaos2088

I think mele magicka skill like like the datamined one hand one rune would be ace...

Also when a Battlemage class roles out...maybe one of their class lines is to use all weapons with either magkica or stam. (which ever value is higher) with a combination of class skills.

Would give that class a whole different playstyle than the rest. would be neat.

Knootewoot

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I have ALWAYS thought it silly that magicka players, to boost their damage, take DW just to use 2 swords for the damage bonus. Completely stupid imho to have my "mage" wandering around with swords that basically do nothing.

I would really prefer they change the wording on DW swords to "melee" damage so this abuse will stop and give us magicka weapons like; wands, scepters, books, tomes, etc that would provide similar bonuses and not require magicka players to venture over to the stamina weapons for a bonus.

Well, yes an no. I want my melee magblade to use 2 swords. I use concealed weapon as my spammable (although hard with recent sustain changes) so i actually use the swords as melee. Yes, i could use staffs with it and yes it's not even a weapon skill. But I want to use swords. That.. or i want bare handed and wear a bracelet as 2 set pieces to make up for the swords.

Ratzkifal

I had a draft of a skill line for a spellblade themed weapon skill line, but the thread got closed for being a dublicate, so now I don't have access to it anymore.

tl;dr

The skill line would have
-visually similar light/heavy attacks as Overload. Blocking would be a ward spell
-a skill conjuring a 1h weapon that can be reactivated to attack with the weapon for magic damage at melee range (spammable)
-ranged explosive projectile aoe with above average magicka cost (similar to ring of elements but cast on target), perhaps with cast range minimum for balance
-either multitarget soft cc or single target hard cc
-some form of execute (I was thinking of maybe a delayed execute or one that loses effectiveness at larger range)
-a "miniGrothdar" cloak with more damage and slightly smaller radius
-a cool ultimate that I hadn't had an idea for yet

Thannazzar

These psyjic shock gauntlets have been data mined (along with fire and frost equivilents)

So we may not get a new skills line but at least throwing magical effects without visually wielding a big stick is on the horizon.